/tg/ - Traditional Games » Thread #14554655

[309 / 27]

57KiB, 400x500, Empnight.jpg

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace

Emperor's Nightmare 13

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 09:00:13 2011 No.14554655 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14554680 >>14572274 >>14572969

Unlucky? Probably not.

Discussions:

1. Discussing the results of the first playtest
2. Fluff, fluff and more fluff
3. Draw/write/modelfagging.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:04:13 No.14554677 Report

Quoted By: >>14554690

Man, at this point I have so many ideas to write I'm getting a logjam that keeps me from even starting one of them.

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:05:13 No.14554680 Report

Quoted By: >>14554755 >>14554782 >>14554975

>>14554655
>modelfagging
Anything specific you chaps need?

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:05:13 No.14554690 Report

Quoted By:

>>14554605

I like the idea. It's again quite scary, and reinforces the feel that the Sleepless have a sort of loyalty to their own.

>>14554677

Take your time, we're all ears.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:14:13 No.14554755 Report

Quoted By: >>14554773 >>14555077 >>14558347

>>14554680

Most prominent, at least in my mind, is the Nightkin models and the PDF stuff. The nightkin are basically just stealthy veteran types with sniper rifles. We'd thought of basing them along the lines of this picture, to signify that they're badasses.

And the PDF...well...It can be seen in the gallery on www.1d4chan.org/Icelus. Ideas were basically cadian upper body, empire flagellent lower parts, and something along the lines of ornamented corvus-pattern helmets.

Things like the Icelus can wait, methinks.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Perhapsnightkin.jpg, 117KiB, 873x627

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:15:13 No.14554773 Report

Quoted By: >>14554924 >>14554968 >>14558347

>>14554755

It'd probably be useful if I posted the picture. Nightkin aren't THAT good.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:16:13 No.14554782 Report

Quoted By: >>14554811 >>14555077

>>14554680
Holy living fuck, I'd kill for a Scripty Icelus-pattern dreadnought. I think more than anything else they're symbolic of the chapter.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:20:13 No.14554811 Report

Quoted By: >>14554897

>>14554782

Hrm. I may be overruled in this case, it IS a potent symbol of the chapter.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Icelus Pattern unfinished.jpg, 363KiB, 900x1200

Magi Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:26:13 No.14554876 Report

Quoted By: >>14554919 >>14555101

Yeah its unfinished, but I thought I should throw it out here just to see reactions for potential modeling and ideas.

I think we might soon have a fully established chapter

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:28:13 No.14554897 Report

Quoted By: >>14554919

>>14554811
It may just be me, honestly. But ever since we first came up with it I've been dying to see it modeled. Personally, it has my vote, both because it's so unique to the chapter, and it requires the most work to model--it doesn't really have anything you can point at and say "it looks like this." Even the closest, a pre-heresy dreadnought, is larger due to its thicker armor, and lacks the MIU hardpoint, the matte-black CCWs, the sensor spines, arrays, the cameoline tarp/cloak, and last of all the freakish dexterity.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:30:13 No.14554919 Report

Quoted By:

>>14554876

Haha, I like it. No one has gone for the heavy weapon-toting Icelus yet, so it's nice to see. I love the detailing on the Lightning claw.

>>14554897

Indeed. Hard to make.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:31:13 No.14554924 Report

Quoted By: >>14554945 >>14554975 >>14555077

>>14554773
Pardon my ignorance, but what are those models?

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:32:13 No.14554945 Report

Quoted By: >>14554975

>>14554924

They're someone's Sternguard conversion. That's all I know.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace stand inc2.jpg, 77KiB, 640x480

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:34:13 No.14554956 Report

Quoted By: >>14554965 >>14555101

Might as well throw this back up as well. It's nowhere near as good as anyone else's art contributions, and it's definitely more concept than design, but it has at least some place.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace stand inc.jpg, 66KiB, 640x480

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:35:13 No.14554965 Report

Quoted By: >>14555045 >>14555101

>>14554956
Agh, fuck, I forgot I webcammed that and didn't crop myself.
FUCK IT, IT'S 5:30 AND I DON'T CARE. Have the draft.

Naile, Wandering Gentleman Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:35:13 No.14554968 Report

Quoted By:

>>14554773
SWEET JEGUS those are amazing.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1300060904874.jpg, 156KiB, 900x769

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:35:13 No.14554969 Report

Quoted By: >>14554976

I missed this.

Emperor's Nightmare 13? Is there a archived thread I can read that breaks this down?

What's the idea here?

Alpharius Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:35:13 No.14554975 Report

Quoted By: >>14554990

rolled 4 = 4

>>14554680
Well this thread just got more AWESOME.
>>14554924
>>14554945
I think I see Chaos Warrior fur on them.

Or MAYBE Canoness.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:36:13 No.14554976 Report

Quoted By:

>>14554969
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Emperor%27s_Nightmare
Threads are archived at the bottom of the page. Read up, enjoy, and contribute.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:36:13 No.14554981 Report

Quoted By:

I have roughly 3000 points of unpainted space marines that I have yet to choose a role for. I however cannot paint, There does not happen to be someone who wants to pant up a company or two of Emperor's nightmare's?

Naile, Wandering Gentleman Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:37:13 No.14554990 Report

Quoted By:

>>14554975
I can confirm, Chaos Warrior plastic capes. I've got one sitting in front of me.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Icelusassault.jpg, 222KiB, 800x600

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:41:13 No.14555016 Report

Quoted By: >>14555057 >>14555101

May as well add another Icelus picture, since they're purty.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace icelus dread concept.jpg, 253KiB, 600x800

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:44:13 No.14555045 Report

Quoted By: >>14555101

Fortunately, we have a great deal more references available than we did when I tried >>14554965.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace icelus dread concept 2.jpg, 270KiB, 720x960

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:44:13 No.14555056 Report

Quoted By: >>14555101

Filenames are because I saved a bunch of these and pre-heresy dread pics to take another crack at drawing one.

Magi Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:44:13 No.14555057 Report

Quoted By: >>14555064

>>14555016
I remember drawing that right at the beginning minus a name.

Didnt think people would actually run with the jumpy stealthy dread then but now we're here

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace pre heresy dreadnought 3.jpg, 157KiB, 700x560

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:45:13 No.14555064 Report

Quoted By: >>14555248

>>14555057
God fucking bless you.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace IMG_1676.jpg, 130KiB, 778x583

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:48:13 No.14555077 Report

Quoted By: >>14555111

>>14554755
Beakie helm + Cadian torso would look horribly topheavy. As in nearly Pyramid Head top heavy.
Other than that, sounds similar to the old Eclipsion troops
>>14554924
Black Templar heads
BT torso on the sgt
Tacmarine bodies and packs
Tac and Assault Marine legs
Chaos Warrior capes
Terminator shoulder shields
CSM Powerfist
Sternguard Bolters
>>14554782
That was the nimble multijointed Dread, right? Give me a quick description of it, I'll start work after I get this Iron Warriors artillery piece commission done. Should be about an hour or so.

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:51:13 No.14555101 Report

Quoted By: >>14559200

>>14554876
>>14554956
>>14554965
>>14555016
>>14555045
>>14555056
From the looks of these I think I might need a Dreadknight to use as a base. Or a Defiler.
The difference is, I have spare Defilers.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:52:13 No.14555109 Report

Quoted By: >>14555182

What kind of fluff do we need ?

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace yay.jpg, 178KiB, 904x528

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:52:13 No.14555111 Report

Quoted By: >>14555208

>>14555077
Stealthy and lightweight, the Icelus pattern dreadnoughts are based on the STCs for the smaller, more nimble and less heavily armoured pre-Heresy dreadnought marks. The Master of the Forge and the chapter's most senior techmarines personally master-craft the hydraulics, joints, limbs and so forth, allowing for very high precision locomotion and great flexibility. This allows the dreadnought to quickly contort into odd shapes to more closely hug terrain, and leap and bound as quickly as possible when no enemy eyes are upon it.

In order to provide the Icelus pattern's improved surveillance capabilities, many long sensor spines and optical mechadendrites protrude from the dreadnought's back like a layer of porcupine quills. These can be deployed upwards while the the dreadnought is in a hull-down position in order to gather observation data without revealing the dreadnought's characteristic silhouette.

Icelus dreadnoughts have three hard points on which weaponry can be secured. Each arm may accommodate one of any of the weapons available to terminators: Lightning claws, powerfists, chainfists, thunder hammers, storm shields, combi-weapons and storm bolters. In addition to the two arm-mounted hardpoints, a Mind Impulse Unit controls a ranged weapon mounted on the shoulder. In tactical variants the Astartes sniper rifle is standard issue, but this may be replaced with a grenade launcher or plasma gun or with an Astartes shotgun, flamer or meltagun for close assault. Heavy weapons may be mounted but greatly impede the suit's locomotion.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Icelus Concept 3.jpg, 61KiB, 600x600

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 09:54:13 No.14555120 Report

Quoted By: >>14555208 >>14556427

I knew I'd forgotten one.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:02:13 No.14555182 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555109

Right now, mostly history. Things the Nightmares have done.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:02:13 No.14555185 Report

Quoted By:

Okay, I'm out. I have to be up before terribly long.

See you this afternoon.

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:05:13 No.14555208 Report

Quoted By: >>14555240 >>14555242 >>14555248 >>14555274

>>14555111
>>14555120
Well that seems doable, but comes with a notable risk of looking, well, retarded.
Unless you want me to go further outside the box and scrap the whole notion of using a Dreadnought body for it. A Tau Battlesuit might work with enough bulking up, but then you'll need to give me a day or two because I don't have one on hand.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:09:13 No.14555240 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555208

I sort of had a feeling that if the Icelus was ever going to be made, it'd be something between a Battlesuit and a Terminator.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:09:13 No.14555242 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555208
Okay, I'm not out yet.

Go with whatever your modeling instincts tell you would work best. Time isn't a factor, so do whatever you feel is best.

Okay, now I'm gone.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:10:13 No.14555248 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555208

Pre-Herey Dreadnoughts (which the Icelus is based on) look more like Terminators anyway. See >>14555064

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Icelus Pattern copy.jpg, 462KiB, 900x1200

Magi Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:14:13 No.14555272 Report

Quoted By: >>14555284 >>14555292 >>14555399 >>14555463

Walking on owlies

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:14:13 No.14555274 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555208
I tried a tau battlesuit for mine. It didn't work out so well. I wound up with a cool enough looking mini but it looks nothing like a preheresy dreadnought so I don't recommend it as a base even though it'll be almost the right size when bulked up. I'm excited to see anything you come up with though.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:18:13 No.14555284 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555272

Veni.

Beautiful.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:19:13 No.14555292 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555272
Holy shit.

Very cool.

Taller than I'd pictured them but I LOVE the stylized owl leg greaves. Hot Damn.

Magi Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:32:13 No.14555383 Report

Quoted By: >>14555413

Yeeeeah, sorry about the tallness. I made it a little bigger assuming the servos built in would accomodate for a lot of strenuous and exagerated movement.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:35:13 No.14555399 Report

Quoted By: >>14555413

>>14555272
Really cool, love the claw, but the assault cannon looks lame.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:36:13 No.14555413 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555399
>>14555383

Eh, I think the cannon looks fine. The only thing is, the assault cannon is a replacement of the sniper rifle and as such should actually be shoulder mounted. But I'm not one for details when presented by a fuckwin picture.

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:43:13 No.14555463 Report

Quoted By: >>14555488 >>14555489 >>14555502

Ok right now I have options for 3 size categories
Small: Bulked out battlesuit with Vendread/Pre-heresy style front and custom legs
Big: as seen here >>14555272
Hueg: Dreadknight-based

Problem is I'm out of Venerable Dreadnought parts (Perturabo ate two of the front plates, an actual Dread took another and I can't find the 4th one) so in any case I'd need one of those to make this.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Icelus Pattern Lightning version (...).jpg, 471KiB, 900x1200

Magi Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:44:13 No.14555469 Report

Quoted By: >>14555477

Now with real lightning

Yeah, any better?

I'd add a sniper rifle to the shoulder if I could find where to fit it properly in the picture.

Emperor's Champion !!dTSxH/3+AFl Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:46:13 No.14555477 Report

Quoted By: >>14555492

>>14555469

>>hootymcrapefist

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:48:13 No.14555488 Report

Quoted By: >>14555521

>>14555463

I'd prefer small, since they're meant to be small. But if you think a larger size would do it more justice model-wise, go for it. I'd say a safe bet would be "Smaller than a regular dread". It's not like everything in the 40k range is 100% to scale anyway.

Magi Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:48:13 No.14555489 Report

Quoted By: >>14555521

>>14555463
I "think" they're supposed to be quite small for dreadnoughts, cut down, chopped and shopped for free movement and speed. Anything would be appreciated though.

I just drew it big because I wanted to stick detail in there and make it "DYNAMIC ENTRY" as fuck.

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:48:13 No.14555492 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555477
Mr. Dread, how may attacks does it take to get to the champion center of an infantry blob?
>LET'S FIND OUT

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:50:13 No.14555502 Report

Quoted By: >>14555664

>>14555463
Not that I doubt your ability to bulk it out successfully but a standard battlesuit is a pretty small base to be starting from. Maybe those forge world ones but those don't exactly grow on trees.

Dreadknight would be perfect for making the shape but would wind up far too big.

Overall I think your best bet is starting with a ven dred kit and then trimming down, getting rid of the massive shoulders and much of the body and so forth.

Forge world suit with ven dred parts would probably be the most true to the concept but it would be a huge investment of time and money to really do it justice.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace emperorsize.jpg, 501KiB, 800x600

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:53:13 No.14555521 Report

Quoted By: >>14555539 >>14555643 >>14555769

>>14555488
>>14555489
Well if we want to keep it smaller than a normal Dread, I might as well go for the Battlesuit. It's fairly hard to downsize a Dread without something bad happening.
See Captain Corvus "Chickenlegs" for reference.

Magi Mon 11 Apr 2011 10:56:13 No.14555539 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555521
Aw...bless im'
Now I'm imagining a tiny dread pootling around a chicken coop screaming "I HAVE RISEN" as it stamps on eggs

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:15:13 No.14555643 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555521

I'd say that's the best way to go. That said, I'll leave it up to people who know what they're talking about, haha.

Magi Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:17:13 No.14555660 Report

Quoted By:

Alright i'm gonna be trundling off. For the day/night (yeah thats right I haven't slept, ironic given the nature of the chapter)

I'll return later and draw whatever people want me to.

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:18:13 No.14555664 Report

Quoted By: >>14555698

>>14555502
I don't really want to invest in Forgeworld parts, as they are both expensive and hard to use.
As for using a Vendread a sa base, yeah, it would be doable, but around 75% of the torso would need to be rebuilt and the new legs would make it far taller than a normal Dread.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:22:13 No.14555698 Report

Quoted By: >>14555722

>>14555664
Yeah exactly, way too expensive. Well I can't wait to see what you come up with, whatever it winds up being made out of.

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:27:13 No.14555722 Report

Quoted By: >>14555777

>>14555698
Odds are it'll have to wait a bit, depending on what the local store has in stock. I think I saw a battlesuit there last time, but my hopes are not high. However, I will put one on the list for my next big shopping spree, alongside the Dreadknight and Necrosphinx.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:31:13 No.14555747 Report

Quoted By: >>14555777 >>14555868

The Tower of Mercy - A looming spire within Betten-Burgen, the Tower of Mercy is very different from the other architecture of the Chapter Keep. Every surface and decoration is crafted with the single-minded passion of obsession, each surface diverting into fractal patterns of staggering complexity. To walk this tower is to walk a disturbing graveyard, for all around there are shockingly lifelike stone carvings of Emperor's Nightmares. These are the Sleepless who have died, practically given new life in stone by their fellows. Most realistic in every statue is the face, the haunted, tortured look and the maddened eyes carved to a level only the deepest empathy could draw out.

Non-sleepless Nightmares visit the Tower to pay homage to these tragic heroes, but it is not a pleasant experience. To walk within the Tower is to feel a thousand stone eyes upon you, a spine-chilling herald of what await all Nightmares.

Lt. Mino Guera Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:34:13 No.14555769 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555521
trim the shoulders off mcchicken, move the arms into the newly vacated space, put a chaos power claw on and you're pretty damn close

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:36:13 No.14555777 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555722

You have our utmost gratitude for trying this out, the Icelus is one of the things at the very heart of the Nightmares' identity. As someone else said, time is not an issue, you rock.

>>14555747

what MAY await, rather.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace icelus.jpg, 64KiB, 660x660

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:37:13 No.14555784 Report

Quoted By: >>14555825 >>14555840 >>14555843 >>14555969

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:39:13 No.14555794 Report

Quoted By:

just so someone can edit it, the quote for the chapter motto, in latin, has 'of' in it cos the translator failed you, put 'di' in, it's italian not latin but fits the phrasing better also it's pig latin anyway.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:44:13 No.14555825 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555784
>>14555784
Bad. Ass.

Also I think this is the best rendition of the chassis shape itself that we've had so far. Or at least, it's the closest to my own mental image.

again supposedly the assault cannon is an miu on the shoulder when it's equipped but the little details don't matter in the face of a jawesome drawing like this.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:47:13 No.14555840 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555784
Remarkably Titanesque

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:48:13 No.14555843 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555784
I imagine a terminator as being at about eye level or ever so slightly below.

Seems perfect scale-wise.

Jareddm Mon 11 Apr 2011 11:53:13 No.14555868 Report

Quoted By: >>14555946

Only have time for a quick post before class.

>>14555747
Absolutely love it. This is also an appropriate place for the broken dreamcatchers of the sleepless, possibly placed inside each stone block beforehand (cement mold?)

I also want to say I rather strongly oppose the idea of leaving the last two companies unnamed and unfluffed, if only because it leaves a hole on our organization chart. I feel the Acting-Captain/Acting-Sergent loophole allows for enough freedom for EN army players.

I have a TON of comments about the company names offered so far but it will have to wait until after class.

Also, Icelus artwork: Amazing, simply and utterly amazing. Though I guess I pictured the tendrils a little bit shorter. Also, cape?

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 12:06:13 No.14555946 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555868

Well, they're not unnamed and unfluffed. The suggested fluff is that they work well in synergy with each other. I suggested the name "The Cloak" and "The Dagger" to symbolise this.

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Mon 11 Apr 2011 12:10:13 No.14555969 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555784
If I made that out of Dread bits, it's eyes would be higher than the top of an average Dread, more or less. I think.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Icelus pattern.jpg, 857KiB, 3508x2480

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 12:40:13 No.14556126 Report

Quoted By: >>14556404

Stealthnaut gonna slap your shit.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 13:18:13 No.14556404 Report

Quoted By:

>>14556126

Haha, very nice. More of a humanoid look than the others, which is an interesting way to go about it.

On another note, I'm about to go and playtest with a friend. Here's what I'm using;

Chief Apothecary Eidelan - 120

Librarian w/ Plasma Pistol, Secundus Upgrade, Living Nightmares and The Blackest Night - 135

9 Secundus Nightkin, Hellfire Rounds, Darkfire Flare Rifle, Missile Launcher - 240

Waking Dead Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - 170

10 Secundus Operatives - Sniper rifles, Darkfire Flare Rifle, Camo Cloaks - 185

10 Secundus Operatives - Sniper rifles, Darkfire Flare Rifle, Camo Cloaks - 185

10 Sleepless, 3 power weapons, 2 power fists - 295pts

Phobetor Dreadnought - 100

Icelus Pattern Dreadnought - 100

2 Hellfire Dreadnoughts, 2 TL lascannons, 2 plasma guns, 2 drop pods, 2 hunter-killer missiles - 460

Total: 2000

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 13:22:13 No.14556427 Report

Quoted By:

>>14555120
i'm actually re-lining this and fixing my issues with it.
and it turns out i thought that pre-heresy dreds had boots because 2/3 of the art says they do.

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 15:17:13 No.14557252 Report

Quoted By: >>14557669

The sleeper has awakened!

All these pictures of Icelus Dreads fill me with glee. My comments:

- Each Icelus is literally hand built from scratch. So its okay if they all look custom built.
- I like the look of the tall Icelus. We took a pre heresy dread and made its legs less stumpy. You need to have long sprinting legs in order to get around quickly. Just keep in mind that the Icelus must still be able to crouch down and kneel and all that.
- So far none of the lightning claws depicted are the same. This is perfectly justified in that every single one is an artifact terminator lightning claw. So to an extent they would all be unique, with a matching twin. I LOVE the claws hooked at right angles.
- I mentioned the whole black-blade trait of Secundus almost as an afterthought. But you guys seem to have embraced it, and it does make sense. One of the most infamous things about Secundus marines is their habit of activating power weapons *just* before striking. Icelus dreads take this concept and turn it up to 11.

Just imagine watching an attacking Icelus from a distance.
- Its pitch dark, so the only things you can see and the only light source are the two disembodied claws of lightning.
- Every time the dread strikes a victim, its claws ignite and its body is silhouetted by the flash. This causes a strobe effect where the monstrous machine seems to teleport between its targets.
- Its completely silent, you can't hear the screaming, but you can SEE it.

Fukken terrifying.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 15:26:13 No.14557311 Report

Quoted By: >>14557338 >>14558405

Well, I'm back from that game. The guy had to leave on turn 5, so eh.

It's great. I take 2 units of secundus operatives and a unit of nightkin. What does he take? Iyanden Wraithguard army. Not strictly fair.

Some observations:

Hellfire rounds NEED to be more expensive on Nightkin. They hurt like HELL.

The Icelus seems to be better priced now.

Waking Dead Dreads and Sleepless are hilarious. They may also be a little too fast.

Memorable parts of the game

First turn, Eidelan tests to suppress his Sleepless' rage to prevent them from hurtling into Line of Sight. He manages it, and proceeds to drug 3/10 of them into a coma.

A wraithguard is killed by a darkfire flare rifle. Yep, a super-protected death robot is killed by a weaponised tin of paint.

The Waking Dead dread hurtles into a wraithlord and proceeds to hit and wound with all of its attacks, ripping it to utter shreds.

Another wraithlord gets the sleepless treatment. Wounded twice, kills 1 sleepless. Fails his sleepless test. Great fun.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 15:28:13 No.14557338 Report

Quoted By:

>>14557311

>Sleepless test

I meant Fearless test. But...same thing, really.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 16:05:13 No.14557669 Report

Quoted By:

>>14557252

Eeeeep. Scary things.

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 16:09:13 No.14557705 Report

Quoted By: >>14557730 >>14557747 >>14561287 >>14561354

> Just reading through this edition of brain-storming and had a few thoughts that may be of use with regards to vehicles/walkers/bikers going sleepless whilst using said vehicle.
From last thread.

For regular vehicles we already determined that the crew are capable of operating the vehicles solo just in case one of the crew falls asleep. For non-Icelus Dreadnoughts we are going to add a special rule that once in a while a dread pilot will fall asleep, and the onboard systems take over.

What this means on the TT is that WS and BS both get reduced by 2. If there is a techmarine or another non-Icelus dread on the field, this penalty is reduced to -1.

In hindsight it works well with how Devastator dreads can be deployed in squads of two.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 16:11:13 No.14557730 Report

Quoted By:

>>14557705

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 16:13:13 No.14557747 Report

Quoted By: >>14557842 >>14558364

>>14557705

What, I forgot to stick that up? 'cuz I was using it last game, no dreads were getting sweepy.

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 16:26:13 No.14557842 Report

Quoted By: >>14557879

m>>14557747
Hmm did you? I don't see it in the codex anywhere. I think we could probably fold it into the redundant systems rule and give redundant systems to every dread.

It makes sense, you get "free" extra armour and PotMS. But with the chance that the dread starts to sleep. Its also convenient because we can add the rule to the unique wargear entry and everything else will refer to it.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 16:31:13 No.14557879 Report

Quoted By: >>14558031

>>14557842

Interesting idea.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 16:47:13 No.14558031 Report

Quoted By: >>14558197

>>14557879

Dunno how I got cut off there. Bear in mind that vechicles can take Redundant Systems too.

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:07:13 No.14558197 Report

Quoted By:

>>14558031
Hmm that's right. Okay then scrap that idea. Redundant systems on Devastator dreads makes sense because they are completely specialized for ranged support in the face of enemy fire.

We would need to add a separate entry to each dread listing in the codex to represent the sleepy rule.

Wing Zero Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:16:13 No.14558249 Report

Quoted By:

And I'm back.

Wing Zero Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:30:03 No.14558347 Report

Quoted By:

>>14554755
>>14554773
haHa, you made the same move as I did.

Wing Zero Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:32:13 No.14558364 Report

Quoted By: >>14558379

>>14557747
What rules did you use? How did you word them?

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:35:13 No.14558379 Report

Quoted By: >>14558387 >>14558405

>>14558364

Just "I roll a D6 for every dread at the beginning of the game. On a 1 it's past their bedtime. Every turn after the first they take an Ld test with a penalty equal to the turn number -1. If they fail they fall asleep, their backup systems take over, -1 WS/BS as long as another dread was about, -2 if not."

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:36:13 No.14558387 Report

Quoted By: >>14558394 >>14558420

>>14558379
That sounds like a lot of rolling to me. Doing it at the beginning of the game would be fine, but every turn sounds like a lot of pointless checks.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:37:13 No.14558394 Report

Quoted By:

>>14558387

I guess.

Wing Zero Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:39:13 No.14558405 Report

Quoted By: >>14558444

>>14558379
How about we make it a special rule of its own, and put it into the unique rules section.

Also, do all dreads get this rule? Any other units?

>>14557311
I'm ok with a point increase. I think its 15pts for hellfire rounds on a captain. To pricey?

Wing Zero Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:42:13 No.14558420 Report

Quoted By:

>>14558387
True, but they are getting power of the machine spirit. Thats only on the biggest vehicles in the dex. It seems like an appropriate sacrifice in the face of people bitching. Also, you only have to worry if you roll a 1.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:46:13 No.14558444 Report

Quoted By: >>14558476

>>14558405

I was thinking putting it to 10pts/model for now.

Wing Zero Mon 11 Apr 2011 17:52:13 No.14558476 Report

Quoted By: >>14558538

>>14558444
OK. And I think we should give the nightkin a cc weapon. It seems stupid to make them drop they're sniper rifle for a bowie knife. It also makes them a little better if they get assaulted. Lets keep all the upgrades as is for the rest. That way people understand that they are snipers, not close combat snipers. If you want to assault well with them, you need to make sacrifices.

Also, you agree the sleepless are to fast? Let's make them Ini4, then they're Ini 5 on the charge.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:00:13 No.14558538 Report

Quoted By:

>>14558476

Yeah, way too fast. I know it's fluffy and all, but...damn.

And...Eh, maybe. I'm not so sure about the CCW thing.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:07:13 No.14558589 Report

Quoted By: >>14558624 >>14558716

If the darkfire flare rifle is meant to be low-damaging, perhaps reduce it to S3 or 4 rather than up its points?
Someone who has a Tau book, maybe model them off markerlights?

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:11:13 No.14558624 Report

Quoted By: >>14558716

>>14558589
Also, here's a thought: How do we stat a darkfire flare rifle for Deathwatch? Because holy fuck, I want one.

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:16:13 No.14558665 Report

Quoted By: >>14558716 >>14558842 >>14558893 >>14558980 >>14560850

Repostin my company fluff, with additions and changes. Can we add a section to the wiki for this? The front page already has a crapton of stuff on it. We should try to put as much fluff on subpages as possible.

Battlegroup Primus:

2nd Company: Solar Prominence (fancy way of saying solar flare)
>"Here comes the dawn, upon wings of fire."
Drop pod specialists. Company banner is a shower of falling stars set above a sunrise.

3rd Company: His Radiant Fist (the fist of an angry god!)
>"We are the anvil that shall forge your destruction"
Armoured assault and siege specialists. Company banner is a golden fist inverted, falling upon a silver anvil riven with cracks.

4th Company: Seekers of the Flame
> "Stun. Strike. Burn."
Fast attack specialist, makes heavy use of bikes, speeders and assault marines. Company banner is a skull wearing a crown of vertical flaming swords.

5th Company: Mantles of the Dawn (the cloak)
>"As Dawn is our shroud, by His radiance be blinded."
The most "vanilla" of Primus companies and thus the most adaptable. Very often deployed in conjunction with 9th Company.

>your atioutr
I'm a tutor captcha?

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:22:13 No.14558716 Report

Quoted By:

>>14558589
>>14558624

Hm. There's an idea.

I'm not entirely certain how we'd go about that for Deathwatch, actually. Just a low-damaging basic weapon which grants anyone shooting at the same target/anyone within a certain radius +10 to hit...Or something.

>>14558665

Absolutely. A Nightmares Company Structure page would be good.

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:37:13 No.14558842 Report

Quoted By: >>14558893 >>14558908 >>14558980 >>14560850

>>14558665
Thoughts? Suggestions? Additions? Hopefully bit by bit we can fully flesh out each company.

Battlegroup Secundus

6th Company: Howling Dark (I shortened this because Spectres of the Howling Dark is a bit of a mouthful)
> "The darkness is our home, and we are its claws"
Infiltrators supreme, day or night. Company banner is an eye, with the iris stylized to form a crescent moon with purple and yellow.

>NOTE: Secundus banners, whether personal heraldry or company standards are always set on a field of stars as the background.

7th Company: Starshadows
>"Under cloak of night, by sword and starlight"
Night fighters, specialized for operating in complete darkness. Company banner is a trio of vertical swords sheathed in lightning. Set inside a glowing circle representing a solar eclipse.

8th Company: Lightning Executioners
>"Like the distant thunder, often heard, never seen"
Ambush, assassination and sabotage specialists. Company banner is the black outline of an Icelus dreadnought, right claw raised to the sky. Silhouetted against a full moon and crossed lightning bolts.

9th Company: Unseen Blades (the dagger)
"Without mercy, without warning, without a sound"
Stealth generalists. Often deploys alongside 5th company in joint operations. Company banner is a hundred golden daggers, oriented upright and in ranks like a formation of infantry. (staggered, so the tips form into a dragonscale pattern, only upside down) In the very center of the formation is a single black dagger.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:42:13 No.14558893 Report

Quoted By:

>>14558842
>>14558665
I'd make the Dawn the dagger and the Dusk the cloak in that combo. The cloak obfuscates the dagger behind it.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:44:13 No.14558908 Report

Quoted By: >>14558934

>>14558842
Also, good stuff, but the company banners need a bit of attention and detail each. Oh, and I really want to use the one I cooked up ages ago, once we find a proper artist for it. It's on my list of things to do for the project. It's the Watcher/Sleeper/Dreamer one with a waking marine on one side, a sleeper on the other, and a sunburst (for the Emperor) above all. I can repost the details if you want.

>inspired onatent
...inspired on a tent?

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:45:13 No.14558921 Report

Quoted By: >>14558934

>I'd make the Dawn the dagger and the Dusk the cloak in that combo. The cloak obfuscates the dagger behind it.
Hmm that does make sense... Give me a minute. (and I just realized I forgot to make a banner for 5th Company)

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:46:13 No.14558934 Report

Quoted By:

>>14558908
>>14558921
That works out perfectly, actually. The banner I did was for the Fifth company.

Wing Zero Mon 11 Apr 2011 18:52:13 No.14558980 Report

Quoted By:

>>14558665
>>14558842

Thoughts- Holy Crap, thats awesome!

Suggestions- I've got nothing. What needs to be changed? Nothing!

Additions- the only thing I've got is fluffing out the comps more.

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:00:13 No.14559070 Report

Quoted By: >>14559092

Okay here they are again with the cloak and dagger theme reversed.

5th Company: Dawn Blades
>"By His radiance blinded. By our blades divided"
The most "vanilla" of Primus companies and thus the most adaptable. Very often deployed in conjunction with 9th Company. (Company banner as you detailed)

9th Company: Mantle of Shadows
>"Without mercy, without warning, without a sound"
Stealth generalists. Often deploys alongside 5th company in joint operations.

The new 9th Company banner is a Secundus marine with a black sword sheathed in lightning and a black cloak. He is facing towards the left foreground, sword raised as if to strike. Behind him placed back to back is a Primus marine, with a glowing golden sword. The marines face opposite directions with identical poses. The Primus marine is slightly offset, so that most of his body is concealed by the black cloak of the Secundus marine.

Finally, framing both marines is a circle composed of 100 black daggers outlined in gold, facing clockwise.

Hows that?

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:03:13 No.14559092 Report

Quoted By: >>14559468

>>14559070
Sounds pretty damn cool.
I also like the idea of an individual standard or tabard or the like that's just dagger-print, purple and gold, a repeating pattern. There are exactly one thousand daggers, if you cared to count.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1302548919203.jpg, 305KiB, 1008x1584

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:08:12 No.14559131 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:10:13 No.14559141 Report

Quoted By: >>14559214 >>14559218 >>14560850

Okay, this is slapdash, but I worked out the stats for a Darkfire Flare Rifle for Deathwatch:
Class: Basic Range: 125 m RoF: 1/2/- Dmg: 2d10+4E Pen: 0 Clip: 18 Rld: Full Special: Accurate, Toxic Wt: 16 Req: 20 Renown: Distinguished*

*An Emperor's Nightmare can opt to requisition this weapon, but only in lieu of his bolter for that mission. He may still requisition another, or simply use his boltpistol.

What do you think? The range was found by extrapolating tabletop measurements to Deathwatch range (a bolter is 24" table, 100m DW, so 125m for 30"). Rate of Fire was a guess--it's a sniper's sort of weapon, designed for support rather than laying on fire. You light the target, and the guys with the heavy stuff do the work. Damage was a crapshoot, but I went with energy since the flare presumably burns like a motherfucker. It lacks the bolter's Tearing, so it'll still have on average lower damage despite the same damage dice. Clip is enough for 18 targeted snipes or 9 semi-auto bursts. If your specialist needs more than that, he's probably in trouble. Accurate is duh, Toxic because the flare chemicals are not things you want in your bloodstream.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace GAY-PIMP-APPROVED.jpg, 98KiB, 295x360

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:12:44 No.14559152 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:18:13 No.14559200 Report

Quoted By: >>14559349

>>14555101
i'm looking at it, and all i can see is (i'm going to get yelled at for this) Warmachine-I dunno how big jacks are in relation to dreads, but the center looks like it wouldn't be that hard to convert from a Kahdor or Cryx warjack, depending how rounded you want the top.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:20:13 No.14559214 Report

Quoted By: >>14559251

>>14559141

I have no complaints with this at all.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:20:13 No.14559218 Report

Quoted By: >>14559251

>>14559141
Argh, change Distinguished to Respected. Missed a rank.
And change "bolter" to "starting weapon." Most, but not all, specialties have boltguns.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:23:13 No.14559251 Report

Quoted By: >>14559305

>>14559214
>>14559218
Putting it together:
Darkfire Flare Rifle
Class: Basic Range: 125 m RoF: 1/2/- Dmg: 2d10+4E Pen: 0 Clip: 18 Rld: Full Special: Accurate, Toxic Wt: 16 Req: 20 Renown: Respected*

*An Emperor's Nightmare can opt to requisition this weapon without the necessary Renown rating, but only in lieu of his primary weapon for that mission. He may still use points to requisition another, or simply use his bolt pistol.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:29:13 No.14559305 Report

Quoted By: >>14559321 >>14559377

>>14559251
...And fuck me how did I forget its special effect?!

A Darkfire Flare Rifle lights its target, marking them as a priority and denying them the cover of darkness. Any enemy struck by a darkfire round, regardless of whether he took damage, gives off bright light for 1d10 rounds, preventing him from gaining any sort of bonus from dark-based obscurement and imposing a -30 to Concealment tests. This is even more deadly when the astartes work in tandem--if they are in Squad Mode with the battle brother who fired the flare, all members of the Kill-Team can reroll all ballistic skill tests to hit the target.

Maybe I ought to bop it back up to Distinguished.

SC Guy Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:31:13 No.14559321 Report

Quoted By: >>14559377

>>14559305

Perhaps. It's pretty damn good.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:35:13 No.14559349 Report

Quoted By: >>14559377

>>14559200
That's actually an interesting idea. I don't think it would work as a base for the whole model but ther's got to be the perfect warjack out there with just the right torso for an icelus

On a related note, with some clipping a plastic bloodcrusher body would make a great start to a torso too. Stick on dreadnought legs, handsand engines and model a vendred head onto the front and you're set. It even is naturally in a crouching pose.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:39:13 No.14559377 Report

Quoted By: >>14559396

>>14559321
>>14559305
Maybe a bit higher still. OP objects and imbalanced abilities are more the domain of the Ultramarines. :p

>>14559349
Seems a bit small for a dread...even a pre-heresy design.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:40:13 No.14559396 Report

Quoted By:

>>14559377
Perhaps Distinguished, and Respected if you're a Nightmare. A Plasma Cannon is Distinguished, for reference. Between the two, one lights up your night, and the other lights up your base particles.

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:48:13 No.14559468 Report

Quoted By: >>14559585

>>14559092
When you get a chance, post the design of the 5th company banner with as much detail as possible.

I really like the symmetry of both 5th and 9th company banners. Both of them have a theme of teamwork to them. Which fits with the overall "cloak and dagger" theme we have going between them.

>And I think we should give the nightkin a cc weapon.
I can't imagine Nightkin going into combat without a bladed weapon of some sort. But the current rules make sense. You can go ahead and model every Nightkin model with a combat knife. But they don't get the extra attack in CC unless they swap out the sniper rifle for a knife or sword. Its a tradeoff see?

Either the Nightkin are set up for stealthy sniping, or they plan to stab some backs. They equip themselves accordingly.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 19:58:13 No.14559563 Report

Quoted By: >>14559799 >>14559855

I'm going through all the threads to find any piece of fluff to update the wiki, so questions :
The fluff written by SC Guy in the 9th thread about Tactical Marines/Scouts/Secundus Operatives, is it meant to go on the main page under the "Organization", or go to the "Tabletop" page ?
Same question regarding the company fluff in this thread, actually.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace watcher-sleeper-dreamer.jpg, 77KiB, 640x480

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 20:01:13 No.14559585 Report

Quoted By: >>14559799

>>14559468
This is a complete mess. I haven't slept. The banner's too wide. I drew it on a soft surface, freehand instead of with a ruler. I used a dull pencil. Hell, I don't even have my scanner hooked up, so I used a webcam. But I had to get this down before I forgot it.
A hypothetical proposal for the Emperor's Nightmare Fifth Company banner.
The details, as I envisioned them, in no particular order.
1: A golden owl perched atop the banner.
2: WATCHER - SLEEPER - DREAMER, symbolizing the body of the Emperor's ranks. On the left side, a Watcher, clear lines of fatigue beneath his open eye. On the right, a Sleeper, eyes closed to the Materium, and yet still armed to protect Man in his sleep. A Dreamer above, his eyes closed but a third eye radiant upon his forehead. And above, a stylized sunburst, and IMPERATOR. Watcher, Sleeper, and Dreamer, and the Emperor over all. The tips of their blades just meet, but never rise higher than, the sunbeam.
3: Golden cord at the top corners of the banner, not unlike the edges of a flying carpet, a subtle callout to 1,001 Arabian nights.
4: A stylized five in the center, with the helm of an astartes in the midst.

Likely replacing the English with either of these:
> I watch - I sleep - I dream
vigilo - dormio - somnio

> Watcher - Sleeper - Dreamer
servator - dormitator - somnitator

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 20:26:13 No.14559799 Report

Quoted By: >>14559855 >>14559901

>>14559563
I think we should do what the codexes do and split fluff and rules into different sections. The main page is meant to give people the overview of the chapter, its important statistics, and all of the Deathwatch stats.

So PDF stuff would go on the Icelus page. Fluff about individual units would go on a "Forces of the Emperor's Nightmares" page. Fluff about organizations within the EN, including all 8 companies, the sleepless, the apothercarion, the techmarines etc would go on a third page.

This should split up the info nicely. We also have to do something like this if we plan to print everything as a PDF anyway.

>>14559585
The banner looks great! When I designed all of the company standards I only went as far as describing the centerpiece details. What's missing is all the little sybolic stuff, which your banner design has in abundance.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 20:32:13 No.14559855 Report

Quoted By: >>14559874 >>14559941

>>14559799

Agreed.

>>14559563
More than anything I think we need a slight rephrasing and cleaning up of the opening couple paragraphs of the nightmares wiki. They were some of the first things written and were more just for collecting the information in one place than for presenting it in a way that is interesting to read. It still has non-words like "dreadnoughted" and so on and desperately needs some tidying up because it is the lead-in to the entire project and is the first thing new people see. Our best efforts should be on display here, not our first. Y'know?

So if you're up for doing some editing I'd say this is the area that needs it most.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 20:34:13 No.14559874 Report

Quoted By:

>>14559855
If you give me a few minutes, I'll take care of this. I'm just a bit addlepated. Got 14 tabs open (half of which are EN stuff) and I'm juggling D&D at the same time.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 20:36:13 No.14559901 Report

Quoted By:

>>14559799
I suggest following the format of the old Index Astartes.

Chapter name
history
sidebars with heroes
battlecry

etc...

There's a complilation up on 4shared if you're interested. All the Legions, assorted articles on dreads, chapters like the flesh tearers...

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 20:40:13 No.14559941 Report

Quoted By: >>14559975 >>14559990

>>14559855
I'm trying to collect/organise the ideas for rephrasing the fluff part of the wiki, but it's getting late here and my eyes are *burning*.
Doing my best, though.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 20:44:13 No.14559975 Report

Quoted By: >>14559990

>>14559941
Also, the "Icelus" page isn't listed in the "Emperor's Nightmare" category, because for some reason the category tag doesn't work. If someone knows how to fix it, please do.

Then, in the "Tabletop" section, the "Cut the Chain and Run" list isn't viable anymore since we limited the Sleepless to 20. Anyone want to twist the list ?

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 20:45:13 No.14559990 Report

Quoted By: >>14560163

>>14559941
Okay, the first few paragraphs are slightly changed--it wasn't as much work as I thought. I left the topmost writing intact, as it's the overall synopsis, not the fluff.

>>14559975
I'll work on this in a moment as well. I was the guy who first wrote Cut the Chain, I'll try to work it out.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 21:07:13 No.14560163 Report

Quoted By: >>14560203 >>14560732

>>14559990
So this list won't be competitive, but then what do you expect from a warband of frothing zealots?
A fifth edition codex for Chaos? BADUMPCHING

Cut the Chain and Run, Mark II:
-HQ-
Thureos, the Forty-Sixth Terminator - 350
-Elites-
Waking Dead Dreadnought - 135
Drop Pod w/Deathwind Missile Launcher - 55
-Troops-
The Sleepless w/ +17, Jump Packs, 20 Thunder Hammers, 4 Plasma Pistols - 1360
Phobetor Dreadnought - 100

TOTAL: 2,000 points

If you guys like it, I'll put it up on the wiki next.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 21:12:13 No.14560203 Report

Quoted By: >>14560256

>>14560163
I don't think we should allow players to take Thureos as an HQ unless every other unit is sleepless. HQs are supposed to lead, after all, and if there's one thing Thureos doesn't do in his madness, it's lead...

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 21:17:13 No.14560256 Report

Quoted By: >>14560343

>>14560203
Well, he doesn't lead so much as turn up somewhere and start tearing into either side. That said, maybe an incentive for taking him in a Sleepless-heavy army in some immunity from friendly fire from them, as another of their number?

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 21:20:13 No.14560281 Report

Quoted By:

So I just read the story titled "all around the watch fortress" on the wiki and I want to give some slowpoke props to the anon that typed that up. It's a great short story. Perfectly encapsulates everything about the initiation and in a slightly humorous-yet-badass way. If you haven't read it yet you really should.

I seem to recall the competition starting higher up in the hive --like in the spires-- but that's a detail that really doesn't matter and can easily be dismissed as semantic since the most brutal part of the trials do indeed take place in the underhive.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 21:28:13 No.14560343 Report

Quoted By: >>14560360

>>14560256
If he's immune from friendly fire, he is way too overpowered. Even at 340pts.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 21:30:13 No.14560360 Report

Quoted By: >>14560565

>>14560343
Not all friendly fire, just maybe Sleepless. They're supposed to recognize their own on some instinctual level. Maybe roll for it when they would attack another model with Signs of the Sleepless?

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 21:55:13 No.14560565 Report

Quoted By:

>>14560360
And the roll automatically succeeds with Mr. 46, but the unit attacking must attack the nearest other unit instead? (Or take an attack from themselves if there's no other unit within range.)

Starshadow Mon 11 Apr 2011 21:56:13 No.14560575 Report

Quoted By:

I wouldn't worry about it too much. The all Sleepless list is meant to be funny more than anything else.

But yes, it was decided that Sleepless never harm one another.

Emergency Chair Warmer Mon 11 Apr 2011 22:03:13 No.14560632 Report

Quoted By: >>14560696

Apologies for the non sequiter.

We wanted the leader of the waste denizens to be an old woman, correct? Did we have a name?

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 22:11:13 No.14560696 Report

Quoted By: >>14560754

>>14560632
nono that's the grandmother in the underhive of hive Primus. She leads like a gang or a terrorist cell or something.

I don't think the decendants of the redemptionists out in the wastes have a unified leader anymore. I got the strong impression they had fragmented into clans.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 22:15:13 No.14560732 Report

Quoted By:

>>14560163
So guys, recommend this on the wiki page?

Emergency Chair Warmer Mon 11 Apr 2011 22:18:13 No.14560754 Report

Quoted By:

>>14560696

And there goes my story idea. Ah well, easy come, easy go.

Jareddm Mon 11 Apr 2011 22:32:13 No.14560850 Report

Quoted By: >>14560869 >>14560878 >>14561842

I have returned and jesus do I have alot to comment on!

>>14558665
>>14558842
You're amazing. I especially love the war cries of each company, and the connection between 5th and 9th is cool, but feels just a little contrived.
What if 9th company trains specifically for dawn/dusk joint operations? This would go well with their banner, as it implies the dawn marine in the banner is any primus brother, not just 5th company. They offer their services out to all of the primus companies, but 5th company just happens to take advantage of it the most often.

Also, updating the organization chart as we speak.

>>14559141
Speaking of deathwatch, the psychic powers still need to be done and the chapter trappings need a serious over haul to get them in line with other trappings. We might change one or two of them entirely given how the fluff has changed.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 22:36:13 No.14560869 Report

Quoted By:

>>14560850
Re: Deathwatch, we also definitely need to have higher level attack and defense patterns. Rites of Battle only gives the level 1 stuff.

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 22:36:13 No.14560878 Report

Quoted By: >>14561076

>>14560850
Maybe we should go back to the Chapter's roots, instead, and incorporate the new fluff on a case by case basis?

Jareddm Mon 11 Apr 2011 22:58:13 No.14561076 Report

Quoted By: >>14561313

>>14560878
Agreed. The dreamcatchers aren't going anywhere, they just have to be tweaked a little bit. The Tactics(any) one should probably be changed to a choice of either assault or recon and stealth
The Blindfold of Ebon sight I think should stay, but its too powerful. Perhaps it only removes one level of fatigue instead of a level per 30 minutes?
The book of reveries is way too powerful in my opinion and should be replaced. Maybe a tiny hourglass used to coordinate strikes and ambushes, giving a bonus to damage delt during a surprise round.

Jonboi Mon 11 Apr 2011 23:20:13 No.14561287 Report

Quoted By:

>>14557705

Sorry I may well have missed the thread with this in i think the last one i read was 5/6 so was basing my ideas of what i had read in 12 ;p

Anonymous Mon 11 Apr 2011 23:24:13 No.14561313 Report

Quoted By: >>14561354

>>14561076
The reweaving of a dreamcatcher needs better wording. I would replace the half or more fate points line with just having had to burn a fate point.

Jareddm Mon 11 Apr 2011 23:29:13 No.14561354 Report

Quoted By:

>>14561313
Fixed

>>14557705
The problem I have with this is in the case of bikes.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 00:12:13 No.14561615 Report

Quoted By:

Smilies, smilies everywhere.

Seriously, what the hell is up with that? Thought it was common knowledge that those were discouraged.

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 00:13:13 No.14561625 Report

Quoted By:

Story time!

Cardinal Largos sat and stared at the crowds of people walking by, several stopping to bow, others were merely making the sign of the Aquila as they walked by. He didn’t care. He had grown tired of these formal parties and functions among Delois’s most prominent individuals. He gave a hacking cough as he mentally commanded his seat into small study.
Approaching his fifth century of life had not been pleasant for Villium Largos. Rejuvenant treatments could only do so much for so long before the body stopped responding. The cog-boys had figured out a way around it but they weren’t sharing. Now, Cardinal Largos sat bound to his wheeled throne, tubes embedded in his arms, neck, and Emperor knows where else.
He heard footsteps approaching from behind and slowly shifted his seat in its direction. Walking towards him was a gaunt, bald man. A thin veil covered his clearly empty eye sockets and a staff topped with the symbol of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica was held in his left hand. The robes he wore were of an extremely fine quality, yet lacking in any of the gaudy accoutrements of a House-owned astropath. It was more fitting of a teacher or sage. “I see I am being approached by a servant of the Scholastica Psykana.” The Cardinal said, putting on a practiced smile. The man gave a slight bow,
“Your mind is as sharp as ever your holiness.”
“Only a shame the rest of me has grown so blunt.”
“I am Xerses, an adviser of the Scholastica Psykana, as you deduced.”
“Well then, what can I do for you Xerses? I’m afraid my time is short.”

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 00:15:13 No.14561637 Report

Quoted By:

Xerses took a seat next to the Cardinal, his face was stoic and the veil only made him more difficult to read, “You’ve lived a long and prosperous life haven’t you Cardinal?” Behind his smile, Cardinal Largos rolled his eyes. There was always fawning involved, always flattery. Such was the life of a Cardinal.
“I have, and I’ve given every moment of it in service to The God-Emperor.”
“Anything you regret?”
Villium raised an eyebrow.
“Regret? Of course not. The Emperor teaches us certainty in our actions, ‘Blessed is the mind too small for doubt’.”
A classic. He’d converted millions of savages into Emperor-praising zealots with that one.
“Do you sleep well your Holiness?”
“I sleep perfectly fine, thank you very much!”
“I’m glad to hear you remain well rested. I’m sure your dreams must be very pleasant then.”
“Of course! I dream of being by the Emperor’s side on Terra, leading his followers as I have in life.”
“Don’t we all…but surely you have other dreams. Comforting dreams. Dreams were you feel safest.”

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 00:16:13 No.14561642 Report

Quoted By:

What an odd question, the Cardinal thought to himself. But he took a moment anyway to think of an honest answer. It’s a dream from his childhood. He had spent many nights sailing the seas that surrounded his family’s estate. The dark colored waters, not black with pollution, but a deep purple from the massive depth of the waters.. His hair blowing in the wind as he stood at the prow of his family’s golden ship. He felt such joy and contentment, as well as safety when he dreamed of those times long past.
“Do you have such dreams Cardinal?” Xerses said, interrupting his memories, “Is there anything that stands out from them?”
“Actually yes…the colors of the water and the ship…a dark purple and a shimmering gold…” The Cardinal said with an honest smile on his face. Xerses nodded as he stood up in front of Villium. “You’re sure there’s nothing you regret?” Cardinal Largos’s smile faded as he eyed the astropath suspiciously,
“You’re not with one of the noble houses. Where are you from? What are you doing here?”
“I’m from Icelus, your Holiness”
The Cardinal’s face slowly turned into a scowl at the mention of that place, “This discussion is over astropath. You are dismissed.”
Without a change of expression, Xerses bowed and turned to leave the room, one last statement upon his lips before hastily exiting the Cardinal’s presence, “Know this Cardinal, the sins committed against those you have scorned have already been forgiven.”

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 00:17:13 No.14561647 Report

Quoted By:

“The sins committed against those you have scorned…what nonsense!” Villium mumbled to himself.
He sat in the study in silence for a few moments before pressing a rune on his throne. Almost immediately, his most trusted servant Eris walked into the room.
“You requested me, your Holiness?”
“Eris, my son, do you recall a vessel on my family’s estate from years ago? The oldest one?”
“Of course I do sir. It was your favorite.”
“What color was it?”
“Pale blue sir, to match the waves it rode upon.”

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 00:32:13 No.14561797 Report

Quoted By:

Possible title for the Scout Company

Shallow Dreamers.

Might be seen as too much of an insult though.

Starshadow Tue 12 Apr 2011 00:39:13 No.14561842 Report

Quoted By:

>>14560850
Glad you like the Companies I came up with.

The quote alongside each company is more of a motto rather than a battlecry. Its something the marines chant together before going into battle. The actual battlecries would vary by company, but most would be common to the whole chapter. Primus tends to use far more battlecries than Secundus of course.

As for the 5th and 9th companies. I get what you mean, but I don't think its a problem. When EN companies are deployed to a conflict, the Wake sends whoever would be most appropriate.

The first three companies in each battlegroup each has a "hat" that they specialize in. Both of the fourth companies are more general and adaptable. So if 2nd company required scout support from a campaign, its more likely (but not guaranteed) that they will be paired with 9th company.

5th and 9th company are paired together most often specifically because they are so average. Both of them complement each other very well. So when a balanced approach is needed, they are often deployed as a set.

>Possible title for the Scout Company: Shallow Dreamers.

How about the "Dreamweavers"? Weaving their first dreamcatcher could be a rite of passage when graduating from scout to marine.

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 00:43:13 No.14561865 Report

Quoted By:

>Weaving their first dreamcatcher could be a rite of passage when graduating from scout to marine.

I like it, but there's some plot holes. A scout would start his sleep cycle after having his catepleasn node implanted, but the dreamcatcher is an important piece of protection for all marines while they sleep. This means there would be a period after getting their node and before becoming full marines when they'd sleep unprotected.

Perhaps instead weaving their dreamcatcher is one of the first things they do upon join the chapter.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 00:48:13 No.14561903 Report

Quoted By:

I kind of like the name Nightseekers for the scouts.

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 01:20:13 No.14562227 Report

Quoted By: >>14563343

Just a few more names for Captains and the number of librarians and we're all done!

Also, I was thinking 300 scholastica psykana attendants

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 02:38:13 No.14563016 Report

Quoted By:

Where'd everybody go?

Bump

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 03:08:13 No.14563343 Report

Quoted By: >>14563373 >>14570298

>>14562227
What kind of names you looking for?

I always liked Thurigian

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Workprogress.jpg, 390KiB, 1000x1500

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 03:11:13 No.14563373 Report

Quoted By:

>>14563343
Take a look at the other Captain and officer names for an idea.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 03:34:13 No.14563629 Report

Quoted By: >>14563637

These guys fight in their dreams too right? And they alternate between long sleep/long wakefulness? Consider this brief peace of fluff if I remembered that right, I haven't been in these threads for a while.

The Last Dream of Gaius Agamemnon

The story of Brother Agamemnon is told to many of the initiates of the Emperors Nightmare. He was a great warrior in his own right, though all together an average fighter when counted among the ranks of the might Space Marines. He proved himself an anomaly though when he began to report having repeating dreams to his Apothacary. During every one of his long sleeps the same events occurred. Recounting a very vivid story of finding himself on an alien battlefield he did not recognize. Though he was in full battle dress, there were no other marines with him. He stood alone on this barren land, dusty wind blowing all around him and gray sand beneath his feet sometimes for what felt like days or weeks at a time. He claimed it depended on the length of his torpor. It's timing was always different, but in time, from the twisting winds a great behemoth would emerge. He likened it to a cloud of grit given form. It was a hulking figure built like an ape, with curling claws of dusty air and a pair of burning eyes that seemed to shift into the mark of chaos on occasion. Every time the beast approached him he would promptly awaken before it struck.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 03:35:13 No.14563637 Report

Quoted By:

>>14563629

During the long stretches of wakefulness he was still haunted by its form, seeing it in shadows and between the pin pricks on light in the great void of space. Agamemnon was a haunted man. It was not until after many years of this torture that something truly strange occurred. During his torpor, a battle brother called for the Apothecary to tend to Agamemnon. He was thrashing furiously in his sleep, as if in a fit of rage. As they returned though, they heard a shout from down the hall, a battle cry! It was the voice Agamemnon, redoubling their speed they returned his chambers without delay. It was there they found him, cut three times across the chest as if by the claws of a wild animal. Yet something stranger still had occurred. The hands of Agamemnon, were caked with blood and dark, gray grit.

It is not known if Agamemnon was victorious against his spectral foe. For this reason, the story is often told in two ways, either as a triumph and a heroic sacrifice, meant to inspire recruits with the knowledge that their fight never stops despite the flaw of their geneseed. In other variations it is a tale of the horrors that lurk in the minds of men. A space marine must know that their is no safe place for their kind and that even in slumber they may be assailed by the Emperors enemies.

Whatever the version, Agamemnons story is not the only one like it. The dreams of the Emperors Nightmare are rarely restful or relaxing, and in some cases, they are deadly.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 04:09:13 No.14564028 Report

Quoted By: >>14564068

Well, I fell asleep...Probably too early...And now I've woken up and it's 5AM. What is it about these threads which messes with my sleeping pattern so?

And what're we up to?

Capture: iesela tau

I'm not sure you'd get a very good price in the Imperium, captcha.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 04:12:13 No.14564068 Report

Quoted By: >>14564134

>>14564028
I redid Cut the Chain. Give it a look. Currently discussing chapter lore (as always), naming captains, and going back to look over Deathwatch stuff.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 04:18:13 No.14564134 Report

Quoted By:

>>14564068

Heh, it works. Those sleepless are going to go mental, and I love it when they do that.

And as for allegations of Thureos being OP...He's not an independant character, so he can't join units. He's only got a 5+ invuln, and without friently troops to butcher he's only got 4 attacks. For 350pts, I'd say that's perfectly fine.

TGfag !dHZQ7MXogI Tue 12 Apr 2011 04:30:13 No.14564271 Report

Quoted By:

bump for fluff

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 04:43:13 No.14564398 Report

Quoted By: >>14564488

Assault Squad

Should an Emperor's Nightmare elect to remain in Battlegroup Primus he will likely find himself serving periodically as an Assault Marine. Assault Squads are not a permenant body within the Nightmares, and are rather raised from Primus' tactical pool when and where needed. It is a position Primus marines relish, as it is hard to find a greater definition of Shock and Awe than to crash into the enemy amidst the furious roars of the squad's jump packs, reducing the unprepared enemy to so much red ruin in short order.

Assault Squads are shunned by Battlegroup Secundus, and although they understand the need for such squads (and are indeed trained to go to war similarly) they view it as a clumsy hammerblow, flashy and noisy but in the end about as subtle as a punch to the face. Primus scorns this view, insisting that an Assault Squad in the right place, at the right time can change the course of wars.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 04:55:13 No.14564488 Report

Quoted By: >>14564560

>>14564398
Sounds good, though the Secundus wouldn't be all disdain.
Incidentally, I put Cut the Chain's revised list up on the wiki.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 05:02:13 No.14564560 Report

Quoted By: >>14564576

>>14564488

They don't really disdain them, it's just Primus/Secundus banter.

Good. If you or anyone else gets ideas for iconic lists, feel free to share them. I'll probably just try to knock out more squad fluff in the meantime.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 05:04:13 No.14564576 Report

Quoted By: >>14564695

>>14564560
I definitely want a list built around Icelus attack. Either stealth or assault. Or both.
Heavily mechanized, lots of dreads.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 05:16:13 No.14564695 Report

Quoted By: >>14564710

>>14564576
For that I'd probably go Icelus x3 in fast attack, 2 masters of the forge, 2 troops iceluses, then other dreads elsewhere.

The Sleepless

A shadow sits over the Emperor's Nightmare. A ghastly curse brought on by the flaws in their Catalapsean Node which chills each and every nightmare to their marrow. It comes like a thief in the night, even the Chapter's Apothecarion doesn't understand the reasons behind its manifestation. From a newly implanted scout to the living relics which are August Dreamwalkers in Iron, nothing is safe from Sleeplessness.

A Nightmare unfortunate enough to become Sleepless will find the rest which proceeds their months awake not to come. Their waking hours stretch on, and on, and on, until the Catalapsean Node has degraded near enough entirely.

These unfortunates, tortured by the incessant wakefulness, start to feel their sanity frey. They will become more alert, faster, with a greater attention to detail than even the rest of their chapter. Unfortunately, even Space Marines cannot endure without rest forever, and sooner or later the Sleepless will lose their grip on reality, attacking even their own chapter in misguided fury.

Looking after and restraining the Sleepless is the province of the Apothecarion, who maintain a vast hold within the chapter keep where these maniacs are kept. Most Nightmares who realize the symptoms immediately turn themselves in, while others hold out in desperate hope for rest. Once Sleeplessness has been confirmed funerary rites are held for the Nightmare, their dreamcatcher ceremonially cut, and their name stricken from chapter records.

In battle the Sleepless form a close mob of howling killers, racing for the enemy (or what they perceive to be the enemy) with the focused fury of true madmen. Other Marines give the Sleepless a wide berth on the battlefield, for all are aware that they may be next to feel the blades of the undreaming.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 05:17:13 No.14564710 Report

Quoted By: >>14564729

>>14564695
Change the stricken-from-chapter-records. Make it clear they count him a casualty, not a mark of shame to be forgotten.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 05:19:13 No.14564729 Report

Quoted By: >>14564946

>>14564710

...Oh yeah, of course. Badly worded on my part.

I guess I'll make a page for these descriptions, so we have easy reference when the time comes to make it a formatted codex.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 05:43:13 No.14564946 Report

Quoted By: >>14565011

>>14564729

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Forces_of_the_Emperor%27s_Nightmare

That'll grow in time. If anyone wants to give me a hand with the unit fluff, that'd be grand.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 05:51:13 No.14565011 Report

Quoted By:

>>14564946
I'm on it!
...later.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 05:57:13 No.14565053 Report

Quoted By:

Suddenly, more Icelus fluff.

Icelus Secundus' most impressive building is the enormous main Star port, a collossal entity which takes up a full third of the mountain walls surrounding the hive. Although the port is officially the property of the Planetary Government, its day-to-day running is handled by a triumvirate of members of the Planetary Defence Force, the Adeptus Terra and a collective of Merchant's guilds, each of which have a different use in mind for the valuable docking space it provides. This results in a fair amount of beaurocratic jostling as the three factions jostle for influence over the port. This has resulted in more than a little organizational chaos before.

Starshadow Tue 12 Apr 2011 06:27:13 No.14565292 Report

Quoted By:

>Where'd everybody go?
I had to leave to do an errand. I have something left to do, but I'll be back soon to do a bit of work.

I'm liking the name "Dream Weavers" more and more for the scout company. When you think about it, the scouts ARE dream weavers.. Because they have yet to become Nightmares. To become a marine, they must learn and understand what their enemies fear. And BECOME that fear.

You point makes sense though. How about this. When a scout crafts his first dreamcatcher. It marks his graduation from initiate to full battle brother of the chapter. This would take place after the trials, after basic training and after the implantation rites.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 06:33:13 No.14565342 Report

Quoted By:

Touch-ups of the Tabletop

Any Nightkin can replace their Sniper Rifle with a Combat Knife for free, rather than only 2. This was a mistake.

Nightkin Hellfire Rounds have been increased to 10pts/model, to better represent their effectiveness

Sleepless and Waking Dead Dreadnoughts are now I4 basic. Yes, I know they're meant to be super fast, but with furious charge they're still pretty fast on the charge, and troop choice marines and dreadnoughts shouldn't be going simultaneously with Dark Eldar Wyches

Starshadow Tue 12 Apr 2011 06:47:13 No.14565416 Report

Quoted By: >>14565452

Oh and before I forget here are some captain names.

> Arakanden Varykai 3rd Company
> Delannas Kooza 4th Company
> Kaysr Rhillunon 5th Company
> Tamren Acronum, 7th Company
> Jaiden Destryrr 8th Company
> Milo Icarus 9th Company

And remember, these are just the senior captains. Nominally in command, but while they sleep their designated seconds take over. This means you can either use the official title, or just make a custom captain from a certain company with any name you please.

In fact each company likely has MORE than 2 marines capable of acting as captain, because its quite possible for two to be sleeping at the same time.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 06:52:13 No.14565452 Report

Quoted By: >>14565480

>>14565416

Wonderful. We're nearly done. Now for the question, how many librarians do we have?

Also, I'm thinking of further adding to the Nightkin. A special rule.

Sniper Specialists: If a ranged weapon other than a Sniper Rifle is taken, the Nightkin who takes it is reduced to BS4.

This is so we don't have guys with Flare Rifles hitting on 2+, followed by a missile launcher which hits on 2+ with rerolls and THEN so many sniper shots which hit on 2+ with rerolls.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 06:58:13 No.14565480 Report

Quoted By: >>14565516

>>14565452
How about a rule that if you take one sniper rifle, you take all sniper rifles or you eat that penalty?

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 07:04:13 No.14565516 Report

Quoted By: >>14565535

>>14565480

Well, Nightkin have Sniper Rifles as their basic weapons. They can only change it out for combat knives, and I still like the idea of supporting weapons in the squad like Flare Rifles and Meltaguns...I just don't like the thought of them hitting on 2+ along with the rifles.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 07:07:13 No.14565535 Report

Quoted By: >>14565547

>>14565516
Would it fuck them up if you reduced their BS by 1 and maybe knocked a handful of points off?

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 07:10:13 No.14565547 Report

Quoted By: >>14565603

>>14565535

On a fluff-to-crunch, yes, in practise, probably not. I mean, they're meant to be THE marksmen of the Chapter, that plus them being kinda rubbish in combat unless kidded out for it was the justification for it in the first place.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 07:18:13 No.14565603 Report

Quoted By: >>14565621

>>14565547
Not as if there's no discrepancy on ordinary marines.
Maybe make normal and "movie" marine listings?

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 07:20:13 No.14565621 Report

Quoted By:

>>14565603

Hehe, perhaps.

For now I won't make any drastic changes until there's been more chances for playtesting. I mean, the army I faced, an eldar Iyanden army, was perhaps the worst army my opponent could have picked to fight against the sniper-heavy force I chose.

Starshadow Tue 12 Apr 2011 08:38:13 No.14566146 Report

Quoted By:

Things are shaping up well :D

I'm off for now. Lots to do tomorrow. I haven't had a chance to sift through the codex in detail. But I'm looking forward to it.

Dream on, res/tg/uardians. Dream on.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 09:21:13 No.14566436 Report

Quoted By: >>14566688

Should the fluff detailing each company be on the "Forces of the Emperor's Nightmare" on the wiki ? Or do you prefer it on their main page ?

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 10:13:13 No.14566688 Report

Quoted By:

>>14566436

As far as I can tell, the plan was to make a seperate wiki page for the various organizations and put it all in there, along with the Apothecarion, Reclusiam, Librarium and all that.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 16:01:13 No.14568693 Report

Quoted By: >>14568838 >>14569021 >>14569164

Names of Captains has been added.

The command squad allows the taking of veteran marines, i.e. non-dreadnought first company. We should specify how many there are. (100?)

>14565292

So you're saying each recruit will produce 3 dreamcatchers? Or he'll reweave it after each major event. I'm learning towards the latter as this fits well with the reweaving mechanic for deathwatch.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 16:26:13 No.14568838 Report

Quoted By: >>14569164

>>14568693
Where did you add the names ?

From what I understand, here are three types of Dreamcatchers, and you weave the one you wnat. On special occasions, you are allowed to reweave it into another one.

Starshadow Tue 12 Apr 2011 16:55:13 No.14569021 Report

Quoted By:

>>14568693
Yes basically. The first dreamcatcher a scout will weave is the empty frame he receives with great ceremony after is promotion from initiate to scout. He will then carry it on his person for the rest of his service as a marine. Dreamcatchers are rewoven after major events, or in anticipation of those events in pursuit of guidance.

Fluff time!

Marine Dreamcatchers are made from a weapons-grade metal hoop and metal thread, so they are much tougher than they look. The hoop itself is protected by a small and weak force field, useless for protection in a general sense because it only covers the area of a dinner plate.

Despite this protection the woven threads and various charms and baubles can be easily damaged by enemy fire and shrapnel. This damage tends to change the pattern of woven threads and such is noted very carefully by the marine who bears it.

When a marine turns Sleepless part of his funeral rites is to cut the threads at the center of his dreamcatcher. The end result is a broken catcher with a ragged hole in the center. These catchers are then given to the Reclusiam and "buried" with honours. When a Sleepless dies his companions carve a statue of him. His armour replete with the patterns and carvings he bore in life. Here the marine is reunited with his broken dreamcatcher and the statue placed in the Halls of Mercy.

Starshadow Tue 12 Apr 2011 17:06:13 No.14569106 Report

Quoted By: >>14569512

When a normal marine is killed in combat a different set of rites are performed. Their dreamcatcher is recovered by an apothecary at the same time as their geneseed and their body recovered and placed in a stasis field. During the funeral rites (which thanks to war and conflict may take place decades later) the dreamcatcher is repaired and rewoven by the marines closest to the deceased who new him best. This ceremony is often attended by the very initiates who bear the fallen brother's gene seed.

The restored catcher is then taken to the inner sanctum of the chapter librarium. I believe one of you guys fluffed out a chamber where the dreamcatchers of thousands are displayed. These encircle and protect the psykers within, giving them further insulation against the warp.

I have a nice image in my head of a cavernous chamber with a clear roof. Dreamcatchers floating everywhere on invisible threads, wafting gently in the air currents. During the day the light reflects off of the catchers in their thousands. At night a small fire is lit in a central brazier, and the light glints off of the catchers in contrast to the field of stars above.

Padded rectangular benches are set around the chamber. Most often in distinctly defensive concentric circles, but moved and placed into patterns as the Librariums divinations decree. This is where the chapter's diviner serfs and members of the Psykana gather to aid the chapter in its battles.

As you can imagine, a very sacred place. The galleries where the rest of the Sleepers rest are placed in a ring around this chamber.

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 17:17:13 No.14569164 Report

Quoted By:

>>14568693
This was me. Forgot my cell phone wouldn't have my name saved.

>>14568838
From a fluff perspective I imagine there's many more than three types, but for balance we should leave it to the three we have. A dreamcatcher may be unique to a marine but certain similarities in the patterns wove and symbols attached allow them to be classified.

Starshadow Tue 12 Apr 2011 17:26:13 No.14569227 Report

Quoted By:

>Marine Dreamcatchers are made from a weapons-grade metal hoop and metal thread, so they are much tougher than they look. The hoop itself is protected by a small and weak force field, useless for protection in a general sense because it only covers the area of a dinner plate.
Actually you know what. I'm going to slightly retcon myself here. The Dreamcatcher frame itself doesn't have anything special about it. Its just a smooth metal hoop. The protection field comes from a small charm woven into the web of the dreamcatcher.

Upon graduation to scout an initiate will receive a single charm in the form of an hourglass. This represents the dreaming and the dreamcatcher's ability to protect and defend. Built into each one by the chapter artificers is a tiny forcefield. It functions exactly like a Rosarius, but on a much much smaller scale, protecting a flat disk of space rather than a whole marine. The force field is strong enough to repel dirt, fire and rain, but can only slow direct fire and shrapnel.

Starshadow Tue 12 Apr 2011 17:35:13 No.14569275 Report

Quoted By: >>14569391

Strictly speaking there are only 3 or so broad categories of dreamcatcher just because it would be too confusing to have a million rules for Deathwatch. In a fluff sense, every single one is unique.

And now back to DELICIOUS FLUFF, YOU MUST EAT

As a marine grows older he will receive further charms from the chapter (symbolic, these do not have forcefields built in). They can be granted for many different reasons and generally take the form of symbols important to the chapter. Things like:
> An Owl: Given to veterans
> A Sword: A mark of combat prowess
> A Key: Symbol of the Armoury
> An Eye: Symbol of the Librarium
> A Skull: Symbol of the Reclusiam
> A Sun or Crescent Moon: Battlegroup insignia, each company has its own variation.

And many many others. (I'll make a bigger list later) In this fashion a Dreamcatcher is also the method of displaying rank and accomplishments. Some charms are unique to a certain position such as Master of the Fleet (a raven). Pretty much anything but codex squad markings are represented. In addition to all this. Marines will invariable carve little baubles and add various other objects. (feathers are common). In this fashion, skill and length of service is represented by a marine's catcher in the same way as service studs.

When a marine becomes Sleepless the hourglass on his dreamcatcher is removed and replaced with an Infinity symbol. This hourglass is then gifted to a new initiate who begins weaving dreams of his own on his way to becoming a Nightmare.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 17:53:13 No.14569391 Report

Quoted By:

>>14569275

Haha, loving it. I really like the last part.

Anyway, back from kicking ass at Fantasy, time to get my Nightmare hat on again. I'll write up some more Unit Fluff, unless anything else is needed of me?

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:04:13 No.14569471 Report

Quoted By: >>14569474

I'm back. Sorry for taking so long, I got hit with some shitty family news. Also, my internet was being retarded yesterday, and I didn't have the patience to deal with it.

But, I'm here. Also, in my down time I tried writefagging for the first time. Do you guys want to see it?

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:04:13 No.14569474 Report

Quoted By: >>14569497

>>14569471

Go for it.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:07:13 No.14569497 Report

Quoted By:

>>14569474
ok, but its my first try, and I was under stress. Be merciful.

Also, I have two endings, I'll post the shorter end with the whole.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:08:13 No.14569501 Report

Quoted By:

3 weeks. 3 weeks of nothing but battle on this backwater world in Emperor knows were. Fighting a strange form of xenos, tyranids, we remembered. At first it was exhilarating to finally see real combat, even more so when we realized that we hadn’t even felt the slightest bit of fatigue. It was our sergeant, Brother Alexander, who humbled us. He grimly commented on the fact that it was due to the curse of our chapter that we weren’t tired, and that it would truly be a curse in the future. We turned about to see him come around the corner of the desolated barn we were using as cover. I stopped cleaning my bolter and stood up.

“Sarge! How’s Frederick?” asked Caspian.

“Frederick is no longer with us. The Apothecaries are on their way to remove his geneseed. His first and last service to the chapter.” Alexander responded.

“What now? Orders sir.” Asked Ignatus, as he hefted his heavy bolter to a better holding position.

“We’ve received orders to hold our current position until the Apothecaries arrive with reinforcements.” He answered, “We’ll be met with another squad on their way now. It will be getting dark soon, but lets not make a fire, it will only attract more…” At that point we all heard what sounded like an animal screaming. “Gaunts! Coming from the west. Get in cover, we’ll hold them here or die trying!”

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:09:13 No.14569508 Report

Quoted By: >>14569526

Cont.

At that we all climbed to the second level and took up position. Ignatus stood holding his heavy bolter ready, trigger finger twitching. The rest of us crouched behind anything we could. After a minute or so, the first few could be seen coming over a ridge. Soon the whole hill seemed to crawl with small screeching xenos, all advancing in the barn’s direction.

“sir, at least 45 to 50 heads.” I spoke. How’d I notice that just from looking?

“Ignatus, don’t shoot until they’re confirmed in range. We’ll need the ammo.”

“Sir!” He retorted.

At that time the enemy was only a few hundred meters away. I took aim and waited till the order, when suddenly the mob as a whole turned and started heading south. Away from us.

“Sir, there are bodies on the ridge 500 meters, south southwest. 6 in total.” Caspian yelled. I looked and could make out 6 figures barreling towards our position. 5 were large and ponderous, and the smaller one was pulling ahead slowly. When they got within 100 meters of the xenos, they all opened fire. Most of the shots were easily recognized as bolter fire, and the one marine seemed to unleash a storm of bullets into the horde.

“terminators. And they brought an assault cannon to the party, beautiful.” Alexander said, standing. “well, don’t just gawk there. We need to support that team!”

With that we jumped down from the barn and advanced on the now swirling melee. By the time we got there, near half the horde had been dwindled. The terminators were simply swinging and stomping anything away with ease, even taking a flurry of slashes that would have ripped thru normal power armor.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:09:13 No.14569512 Report

Quoted By:

>>14569106
Im sorry, but I just can't imagine space marines doing weaving of any kind. can there be like, squires or somesuch who do thta work, and otherwise assist the chapter?

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:11:13 No.14569526 Report

Quoted By: >>14569529

>>14569508
Cont.

That was not what caught my eye however. It was the smaller marine, now recognized as wearing an incredibly ornate suit of golden power armor. He seemed to glow in the fading light with a brilliance I’d never seen before, and danced thru the horde with a grace just as magnificent. Each swipe of his great pole arm took down a handful of gaunts, yet it seemed they could do naught but swipe at him and recieve only air. I was snapped out of my daze when Sergeant Alexander ordered us to open fire on the outlying xenos. As Ignatus unleashe bolts into the horde, the golden figure turned and saluted us in thanks. The fight went on only a few more moments it seemed, and then we were face to face with the terminators and their golden leader.

“It is good to see that you and your men are alright, Alexander.” Spoke the figure. “I’d heard you’d lost one earlier this day, and feared that swarm would have gotten to you earlier. one death is enough, initiates are to valuable to the chapter to throw away so pointlessly.”

“You honor our worth, and we wish to thank you for saving us, Lord Adjunant Primus.” Alexander spoke sincerely, bowing his head. The title made me tremble when it finally hit me who this figure was. Ignatus, Caspian, and I quickly bowed our heads towards the man.

“There is no need to thank me, it is my duty to lead all the nightmares under my control and try my hardest to bring you all back. But enough talk, let us head back to your position to await our evac.” He spoke.

“Evac? Sir, I received orders that we were receiving reinforcements, not an evacuation. Will we be abandoning this area?” Alexander asked.

“yes, this sector is lost. We are receiving reinforcements from the 7th company, who are on their way as we speak. But let us talk more from a better position.”

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:12:13 No.14569529 Report

Quoted By: >>14569549

>>14569526
Cont.

“Sir!” At that we all started the walk back to the barn, the sun nearly half way gone by now. After a short time we arrived at the barn we received a vox stating an advanced squad would arrive momentarily to prep us for retrieval.

“good, as soon as we’re in orbit I’ll have to get a report on…” He stopped when a growl started to come from outside the barn. “Damn! We’re getting ambused! Move!” he yelled. We all got up and raised our weapons towards the door, just as a carnifex ripped down the the front wall. It was staggering and seemed to be covered in bullet holes.

“Sir! That’s the xenos we took down earlier!?” Ignatus yelled, “that’s the hole in its side were I got him with a hellfire round.”

“H-how?” Alexander stuttered.

“It was recorded that some of the larger species could regenerate. Open Fire!” The Primus lord yelled, unloading his storm bolter into the xenos. At that we all opened fire on it. It screeched and charged towards me and Ignatus, seeming to glare at the heavy bolter in his hands. We managed to get out of the way, and headed outside for more moving room. It burst thru the wall, and after slowing down, turned to charge us again.

“You two, move back to our position!” Alexander yelled, but it was to late. The xenos was already between us and the barn. Ignatus raised his heavy bolter to fire and I joined, planning to die proudly. But, just as it reared it’s great scythe like talon, The Adjutant primus came out of nowhere and cut clean thru its arm. The great beast screamed, and tripped, sliding to a stop near us. It didn’t stay down long, and soon turned and growled at us. The adjutant primus stood between us and the xenos and yelled, “get back to the barn! Go!”

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:14:13 No.14569549 Report

Quoted By: >>14569551

>>14569529Cont.

We ran back, but I stopped and turned to see the beast lunge at our lord. He dodged to the clawless side and swung out, catching it in the rib area. It screamed, and swung it’s tail, catching the shaft. His weapon split and he jumped back away from it’s tail. Then it turned and lunged again. He charged as well, ducking under it’s claw, and punched the blade further into the beast’s chest. It roared again and swung down, this time the Adjutant primus wasn’t so lucky this time. The claw’s tip caught him in the right shoulder, taking his arm off and sent him flying back a few feet. He didn’t move from that spot.

At that point I did something I never expected. Yelling ,I charged back And put two bolts into the things face. It did enough, the xenos took a few good steps back, and I planted myself between it and my lord. I didn’t seem to hear anything, and all I could see was the beast in front of me. Its every move seemed to stand out to me, but that didn’t matter either. This thing needed to die, now.

Suddenly, out of nowhere, a bolt of lightning struck the flank of the beast, sending it sprawling. I turned to see that our reinforcements had arrived. My group and them had reached us and a marine in blue armor stepped forward. He had scrolls all over his armor and carried a strangely glowing sword. The xenos was getting up and I was about to shoot it when every other man fired at it, and the blue marine shot out a bolt of lightning from his hand! It was then that I realized he was a Librarian, but that wasn’t important right now. The Adjutant Primus was.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:15:13 No.14569551 Report

Quoted By: >>14569559 >>14569584

>>14569549 Cont.

“Ignatu, melt it’s head with a hellfire or two. I don’t want to see that disgusting thing get up again.” Alexander said. As Ignatus ran by me, I walked over and joined the group surrounding the fallen captain. They had lent him up against a rock, and had taken his helmet off. He was far older then I had thought, and had grey hair gelled back along his head. He was breathing heavy, and looked to be in great pain.

“My Lord!” yelled the librarian, pushing men out of the way to get to him.

“Ah.. Is that you Brother Tibalt?” he said weakly, “Are the scouts ok?”

“Yes, but do not speak! The apothecaries are on their way.”

What good is that? Even you should realize these wounds will end me.”

“No, you will not be brought down by this lowly beast. You have faced far worse, and lived. We will get…”

“Sir!” one of the terminators yelled, pointing to the sky. Drop pds could be seen streaking thru the atmosphere, a good 3 dozen.

“Ah, good… The 7th company has arrived.” The lord primus spoke.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:16:13 No.14569559 Report

Quoted By: >>14569570

>>14569551 cont.

“Look well brothers.” Tibalt spoke with an obvious annoyed tone, “We have suffered two great misfortunes. The fall of our lord Adjutant. And the pride of the second company has been wounded. Needing to be rescued by the Dusk.”

“My friend, why do you say something like that? It…it does not matter who comes to our aid if it is brothers. Our pride should… not be so puffed up if this is to be your mentality. Why should the dawn always c-come after the dusk. Truly I say to you, night must over take day at some point, just as the dawn is willing to push back the night so day may shine. So to should the dusk come after the dawn, lest the days of battle will never end.”

Tibalt looked down and silently apologized for his rash remark. The lord primus simply coughed a little, and looked in the direction of me and my men. “Let a dying old man ask… you this, what is pride?

None us knew quite what he meant, and Ignatus simply looked at his feet, unsure of what to say. Suddenly I felt I may have had an answer so I said confidently, “It is my chapter, my brothers, and the Emperor to whom I swore to willingly lay down our lives for.”

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:17:13 No.14569570 Report

Quoted By: >>14569574

>>14569559 Cont.

The Adjutant Primus looked at me for a good minute before coughing up a little blood. After he stopped and wiped away the blood, he looked at me and asked, “Do you truly feel that? D- do you really have the resolve to fulfill that pledge?”

I immediately responded, “Yes, Sir!”

“ I saw you… came back when I was laid low. It might have seemed like your duty, b-but, these old eyes… can still tell much… from a glance. Tell me son, w-what is your name?”

“Demeter… Isidore Demeter, my lord.”

At that, he gave a faint smile and nodded. “I leave my service knowing it is in the good hands of the new generation. It is good.” At that he closed his eyes still smiling.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:18:13 No.14569574 Report

Quoted By: >>14569580 >>14569584 >>14569585

>>14569570 Cont.

“It is… Good.” And with that, he passed from this live. None spoke, unofficially giving their fallen hero a moment of prayers. We all raised their heads to see two thunder hawks coming in fast. They all went to meet them, except Tibalt and Isidore. Tibalt knelt next to the primus and placed his hand on his head.

“Good bye, old friend.” and with that, he to left for the thunder hawks.

Isidore stood there for a moment longer, looking down at the hero who died for him. He walked up and took a piece of broken armor. It had the word ‘primus’ engraved on it. He held it tightly in his fist.

“Your sacrifice will not be in vain. I will give my life, for this chapter, no, for my brothers! I will not let pride rule me. We are all equals, dawn or dusk. Both must rise and both must fall. The emperor guide us… rest in Peace.”

And with that Isidore turned and headed towards the thunder hawks.

End.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:19:13 No.14569580 Report

Quoted By: >>14569634

>>14569574

...

I. Bloody. LOVED IT.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:19:13 No.14569584 Report

Quoted By: >>14569634

>>14569551
>>14569574
Decent, but not quite there. Astartes have a very distinctive tone, and your dialogue feels a bit off...

Too much guardsman, not enough asshole warrior monk/space knight...

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:19:13 No.14569585 Report

Quoted By: >>14569592

>>14569574 Alternate ending.

The Adjutant Primus looked at me for a good minute before coughing up a little blood. After he stopped and wiped away the blood, he looked at me and asked, “Do you truly feel that? D- do you really have the resolve to fulfill that pledge?”

I immediately responded, “Yes, Sir!”

“ I saw you… came back when I was laid low. It might have seemed like your duty, b-but, these old eyes… can still tell much… from a glance.” At that, he gave a faint smile and nodded. “I leave my service knowing it is in the good hands of the new generation. It is good.” At that he closed his eyes still smiling.

“It is… Good.” And with that, he passed from this live. None spoke, unofficially giving their fallen hero a moment of prayer. We all raised our heads to see two thunder hawks coming in fast. They all went to meet them, except Tibalt and Isidore. Tibalt knelt next to the primus and placed his hand on his head.

“Good bye, old friend.” and with that, he to left for the thunder hawks.

Isidore stood there for a moment longer, looking down at the hero who died for him. He walked up and took a piece of broken armor. It had the word ‘primus’ engraved on it. He held it tightly in his fist.

“Your sacrifice will not be in vain. I will give my life, for this chapter, no, for my brothers! I will not let pride rule me. We are all equals, dawn or dusk. Both must rise and both must fall. The emperor guide us… rest in Peace.”

And with that Isidore turned and headed towards the thunder hawk…

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:21:13 No.14569592 Report

Quoted By: >>14569596

>>14569585 Cont.

“Why? Why now do I recall these memories from so long ago?”

“My Lord”

I turned to meet the voice and saw a primus marine approaching. I decided to push the thought out of my mind until a latter time. Then I would contemplate it in depth.

“Ah brother. What is the report?”

“Yes, it seems the Tyranid horde has begun assaulting the capital city. Our men request aid.”

“Very well, let us take the fight to the filthy xenos beasts!” I say with gusto, “Load all men into drop pods, along with our Hellfires.”

“Yes my Lord!” At that the marine went to move towards the dock. I thought once more on the memories that pushed into my mind.

“Marine!”

“Yes?”

”What do you pride? Does it hurt to fight along your secundus brothers?”

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:21:13 No.14569596 Report

Quoted By:

>>14569592 Cont.

“Nonsense! We are all of the Emperors Nightmares. There is no one else in the entire empirium I would rather go to war alongside. But, if it is my pride you ask of… it would truly have to be my Brothers!”

I looked at him for a moment and then dismissed him. I would have to visit Honored Brother Tibalt after this mission. He might enjoy talk of the past. I picked up the strike cruisers vox caster and proudly proclaimed, “This is Lord Adjutant primus, Isidore Demeter! You are the second company of the Emperors Nightmares, the Solar Prominence! Let all hear your come! Hic adveho diluculo, super pennae of incendia!”

End.

Starshadow Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:22:13 No.14569602 Report

Quoted By:

>Im sorry, but I just can't imagine space marines doing weaving of any kind. can there be like, squires or somesuch who do thta work, and otherwise assist the chapter?
Its not far fetched at all. Weaving a dreamcatcher is nothing at all like knitting a sock. Its a more artful and spiritual process. And the Nightmares are not the only chapter with tradition of highly crafted totem charms. The Imperial Fists engrave the bones of their fallen and carry them into battle for instance.

The codex looks good but I think it could be possible to streamline it a bit. The HQ section in particular is jam packed with a bewildering array of choices.

Anyhow I'll be back in about 7 hours. I can comment more on it then.

>McGeorge tehpedo
Captcha says hide you're children!

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:26:13 No.14569634 Report

Quoted By: >>14569686

>>14569584
Agreed. I wasn't sure about speech, and I couldn't think of a good name to save my life. But, I really only wanted to get the idea on paper. If anyone wants to change anything, be my guest.

>>14569580
Thank you. I felt like I was dragging the story. It was only supposed to be about Isidore's motivation that would propel him to become the lord primus. I felt the sacrifice was a good way to go about that. The old protects the young who will one day take up the mantle.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 18:33:13 No.14569686 Report

Quoted By:

>>14569634
Decent plot, ok characters, but needs a rewrite or two to be up to the standards of the rest.Good job, though!

Anyone started compiling the basics of the Emperor's Nightmares?

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:26:13 No.14570162 Report

Quoted By: >>14570209

>When a marine becomes Sleepless the hourglass on his dreamcatcher is removed and replaced with an Infinity symbol

Wait, doesn't the dreamcatcher get broken when a marine is diagnosed as sleepless? And then the dreamcatcher is taken away from the marine by the chaplains.

I thought it was a rather important fact that Sleepless don't have their dreamcatchers anymore.

Also, a minor thing I noticed. We still have Isaac of Tertius as our head chaplain. It's cool to have him as the first chaplain, but for the organization chart which is supposed to be present day it would be better to have another individual.

Speaking of which, once the organization chart is finished, I'm gonna start on a timeline of events, considering I'm useless for mechanics.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:27:13 No.14570175 Report

Quoted By: >>14570196 >>14570212 >>14570301

Yesterday at work I was pondering an idea.

The secondary commanders of each company are also captains? If so, how do we justify having anywhere from 20 to 30 captains in a chapter. I was thinking of having a dumbed down version HQ (like space wolf battle leaders) that could be taken instead of a captain. Give him a chapter champ's stat line and maybe cut down on total upgrades. That way, we still only have 10 captains, but fluff wise (if they are sleeping) the weaker hq can take over command.

I know the HQ slot is crammed, but I put a lot of thought into this. Just thought I'd put it up on the table for discussion.

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:29:13 No.14570196 Report

Quoted By: >>14570298

>>14570175
I don't know where the secondary commander thing came from. I was under the assumption that one of the sergeants took the role. That in most companies, probably more than half of the sergeants would have little to know trouble taking the role of Acting-Captain for a few months at most.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:31:13 No.14570209 Report

Quoted By:

>>14570162
Cool with it. Maybe we could incorporate isaac into another title like 'heir to Isaac of Tertius'. I remember an anon throwing a name up earlier, I'll see if I can find it.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:31:13 No.14570212 Report

Quoted By:

>>14570175
Better idea: start killing off the extra characters. Space Marine chapters (should) be taking constant casualties. (I'm looking at you, Ultramarines.)

Even the Smurfs lost about half their named characters over a few hundred years. We can do the same with the extras.

Tyranid invasion, WAARRGGHH, or Daemonic incursion?

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:41:13 No.14570298 Report

Quoted By: >>14570325

>>14563343
Found it. Thurigian.

>>14570196
We've pondered over the idea here and there also, if they're 'act as' captains, how would they have the same stat line?

On the special characters, I don't think we should drop anyone. We have 13 HQ choices, which is a lot, but it just means that a player has more diversity in his army style. the 'lesser captain' is just an on table view of how we can work the fluff.

SC Guy Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:41:13 No.14570301 Report

Quoted By: >>14570337

>>14570175

...Uh...What? The Acting-Captain steps up when their Captain goes to sleep, it doesn't mean there's 3+ captains per company. You're overthinking fluff-crunch overlap too much.

Jareddm Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:45:13 No.14570325 Report

Quoted By: >>14570389

>>14570298
>that could be taken instead of a captain.

I think I understand now. You'd be replacing the generic captain HQ then?

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:46:13 No.14570337 Report

Quoted By: >>14570409

>>14570301
what are the acting- captain while the captains awake? Rather then a sergeant, I think the chapter/ company champion would be a better choice for a substitute.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:51:13 No.14570389 Report

Quoted By:

>>14570325
Yes. drop some stuff from the upgrades. lower ws, wounds, and attacks by 1 and make him like 85pts

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:53:13 No.14570409 Report

Quoted By: >>14570435

>>14570337
No, the Champion's job is to kill nasty stuff, not command men. The Command Squad's veteran sergeant would work better as an "Acting-captain".

Why not keep that purely in fluff, though?

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 19:56:13 No.14570435 Report

Quoted By:

>>14570409
ok. Agreed. But we should firmly state that in fluff, so people don't get confused.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace devestator.png, 330KiB, 511x601

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 20:12:13 No.14570554 Report

Quoted By: >>14570563 >>14570674 >>14570716

I know its a little off topic, but I did some research and think these pics could make a good Icelus dread. (with a little work)

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace drago.png, 431KiB, 704x545

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 20:13:13 No.14570563 Report

Quoted By:

>>14570554

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace slayer.png, 283KiB, 469x515

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 20:27:13 No.14570674 Report

Quoted By:

>>14570554
fucking flood detection

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Slayer_09.png, 239KiB, 484x488

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 20:32:13 No.14570716 Report

Quoted By: >>14570828

>>14570554

Magi Tue 12 Apr 2011 20:48:13 No.14570828 Report

Quoted By:

>>14570716
I realised I'd accidently drawn a War Machine model when I'd finished. sadfrog.jpg

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:04:13 No.14570981 Report

Quoted By: >>14571074

Your story was very good, Wing Zero, but it needs a bit of editing, is all. With better readability, grammar, and flow, it'll be one of our better showcase pieces. No offense, of course. It's good, I'm just an OCD English Major with no other useful skills.

Gave me the idea to maybe try a piece where the adjutants Primus and Secundus deploy together on some important, chapter-wide crusade and end up fighting back to back.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:17:13 No.14571074 Report

Quoted By: >>14571109

>>14570981
I personally am more of an editor type person. Give me a piece or idea, and I'll run with it. Ideas to expand on, general editing shenanigans, etc. etc. I'm actually helping a friend write a 4 book series, he's already almost done with book 2.

If you would like, you (or anyone for that matter) can take this story and run with it how ever you want. the only reason i wrote this up was because I wanted something for our big 2 leaders.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:21:13 No.14571109 Report

Quoted By:

>>14571074
I rather like the notion. One thing I realize looking back is that the team doesn't seem all that fucked. If they're on an overrun world facing tyranids they should be swarming everywhere, and the new marines holed up in a barn to avoid drawing attention, effectively pinned down. Should make it a colossal "oh shit oh fuck oh shit oh fuck" situation, and that's why the big name marines come down.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:24:13 No.14571128 Report

Quoted By: >>14571156 >>14571167

>Here comes the dawn, upon wings of fire.
>Hic adveho diluculo, super pennae of incendia

This Latin, it pains me. How about the following:

>Adit Aurora Alata Aestina

Literally, "Comes the Dawn, Winged Aflame"

Or:

>Adit Aurora Ferro Flammaque

"Here comes the Dawn, with Steel and Fire"

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:28:13 No.14571156 Report

Quoted By: >>14571232

>>14571128
I liked Winged Aflame.

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:31:13 No.14571167 Report

Quoted By: >>14571207 >>14571232

>>14571128
Remember: High Gothic =/= correct Latin

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:37:13 No.14571207 Report

Quoted By:

>>14571167
Exactly, over the millenia, Latin has degraded to a simple form, which I prefer to think is the Emperor's private joke.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:40:13 No.14571232 Report

Quoted By: >>14571290

>>14571156
Same. Changed.

>>14571167
Just the man I wanted to talk to. Any ideas since the last time you were on? What do you think of the warmachine models for a basis for the Icelus dread?

Fabricator-General Scriptarius Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:46:13 No.14571290 Report

Quoted By: >>14571334 >>14571362

>>14571232
Aren't Warjacks even bigger than Dreads? If the whole central point was to make it smaller than a regular Dread, I still don't see any other idea working than the Battlesuit.

Wing Zero Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:51:13 No.14571334 Report

Quoted By:

>>14571290
I've never seen a warjack in person. I wouldn't know.
I've got to run an errand, I'll be back in about an hour

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 21:54:13 No.14571362 Report

Quoted By:

>>14571290
Your average heavy warjack stands about twelve feet tall. Don't remember how tall dreadnoughts are.

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 22:02:13 No.14571431 Report

Quoted By:

a guy converted a dred to a pre-heresy one, don't know if that helps...

http://www.underthecouch.net/workshop/pre-heresy-era-space-marine-dreadnought-conversion/

Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2011 23:39:13 No.14572274 Report

Quoted By:

>>14554655
Looks like the Death Eagles pre-heresy color scheme.

Wing Zero Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:03:13 No.14572454 Report

Quoted By: >>14572484

I'm back. Where is everybody?

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:06:13 No.14572484 Report

Quoted By: >>14572500 >>14572529

>>14572454
I'm here, just didn't' have much to say.
That said, a friend discussing Deathwatch reminded me that we need a good Chapter Relic.
Ideas:
A stalker boltgun
A darkfire flare rifle
A blindfold
If you really want to go out there, an Icelus dreadnought sarcophagus.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:09:13 No.14572500 Report

Quoted By:

>>14572484
Actually, shit, how about a Dawn and a Dusk item? Maybe a paired donation, each wielded by their respective Adjutant and seconded with the first Nightmare? Wielder can only choose to bear one, most likely based on his Primus/Secundus placement.

Wing Zero Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:11:13 No.14572529 Report

Quoted By: >>14572584 >>14572616

>>14572484
I've never looked into death watch. What due the relics due for you in game?

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:16:13 No.14572584 Report

Quoted By: >>14572613

>>14572529
Depends on the relic. Black Templars have a set of artificer armor, Blood Angels get a chalice that makes you trip balls on drinking from it, Dark Angels get a plasma pistol, Space Wolves get a frost blade, Ultrasmurfs get a helmet, Storm Wardens get a shield. Deathwatch has more common things for high-ranking marines too, including an adamantine mantle, a relic blade, and a Scapulan Bolter.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:19:13 No.14572613 Report

Quoted By:

>>14572584
Also, Rites of Battle has a shitload more. Really, what you want to do is find something properly suiting the chapter, or a weapon or instrument wielded by a great hero in a time of need.

Jareddm Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:19:13 No.14572616 Report

Quoted By:

>>14572529
Relics are the closest thing to a "magical item" in deathwatch. They're usually some form of super powerful and customized weapon or armor, but there has also been equally interesting archeotech equipment. Losing a relic in battle or getting it destroyed have terrible in game consequences.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:25:13 No.14572678 Report

Quoted By:

Perhaps a Dawn Blade (or what did we name them?) relic powersword, and a Dusk sniper rifle or the like? Something that embodies the principles of each.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:27:13 No.14572696 Report

Quoted By: >>14572736

Relic Ideas for DW (no stats or fluff of anything just general ideas, Ill leave that stuff to the cool guys):
Special Narthecium
Special Bolter/Meltagun/Flamer/That sweet sniper you guys designed for table top
Special Terminator Armor
Special Jumppack

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:30:13 No.14572736 Report

Quoted By: >>14572814

>>14572696
I suppose a set of Terminator Armor out of the precious few the chapter was equipped with would be seen as a sign of intense devotion and support the general bro-dom of the Nightmare as a chapter.
They began with 50, we know the last lost was Thureos', leaving them 45. Perhaps one of their fifty wasn't lost or destroyed, but willingly gifted.
At the same time, it's 100 Requisition to buy and equip it, and this is a Relic. The requirements would be ridiculously high, and it would also screw over Dusk operatives who would never climb into Terminator armo--

Wait, shit. I've got it.
One suit of Terminator armor for the Dawn, and a unique set of Scout armor for the Dusk. Or just power armor without the stealth penalties power armor eats, and a slew of bonuses.

That or the Relic blade/flare rifle combo.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:38:13 No.14572814 Report

Quoted By: >>14572847 >>14572879

>>14572736
2 relics kinda goes against the idea of chapter relics already in DW. I suggested those because they are item classes that haven't been covered. E.G Melee weapon was already covered by the SW Frost blade. Also the Relic needs to be something that pretty much any character class can take. So something like a Sniper is right out as a Assault Marine really wouldn't take it.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:41:13 No.14572847 Report

Quoted By: >>14572880

>>14572814
Well, there's no reason a devastator would want a few of them. Plus, there are a lot of melee and ranged weapons in the relics, not just one or two. I still think perhaps the Dusk and Dawn should each have representative relics.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:45:13 No.14572879 Report

Quoted By:

>>14572814
The only shared equipment on the tabletop is a bolt gun. You might be able to say some sort of Artificer armor or maybe a melee weapon like a lightning claw or something.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:45:13 No.14572880 Report

Quoted By: >>14572924 >>14572930

>>14572847
I got it fellers.

Relic Cybernetic part!

Jareddm Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:51:13 No.14572924 Report

Quoted By:

>>14572880
I think that might be a little broken.

Though it would be interesting if our current, crazy Master of the Forge was the original owner of whatever relic it was. Maybe something that would induce a sleepless-like state.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:51:13 No.14572930 Report

Quoted By: >>14572957

>>14572880
what kind of cybernetic part?
Like a preexisting one that counts as a Master Crafted w/e it is plus other effects.
Or something entirely special....

LIKE SOME IMPLANTS TO DO WITH SLEEPING!

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:54:13 No.14572957 Report

Quoted By: >>14572971

>>14572930
i like it

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:55:13 No.14572969 Report

Quoted By:

>>14554655
Relic Servoskull?

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:55:13 No.14572971 Report

Quoted By: >>14572994

>>14572957
I hate to say it, but I don't. Implants are generally custom-fit to the bearer, and tend to be symbolic of the chapter itself.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 00:59:13 No.14572994 Report

Quoted By:

>>14572971
Gah. And Relics are meant to be symbolic of etc etc.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:06:13 No.14573063 Report

Quoted By: >>14573078 >>14573098

How about a digital weapon relic or some sort of heraldic grubbinz where each user inscribes his name on it.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:08:13 No.14573078 Report

Quoted By: >>14573098 >>14573108

>>14573063
A time-turner that either
1: Leads to prophetic dreams/dreamwalking, lending bonuses similar to drinking from the BA chalice
and/or
2: Reduces the time spent in sleep for the marine?

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:10:13 No.14573098 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573078
>>14573063
>time-turner
the fuck is this harry potter?
Maybe you mean a Chrono....
Ha a relic pocket watch

Jareddm Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:11:13 No.14573108 Report

Quoted By: >>14573123

>>14573078
I like the general concept of an hourglass, perhaps left by an EN Librarian after using his dreamwalking to hold off a warp entity from corporealizing and destroying everything.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:13:13 No.14573123 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573108
Perhaps that, or even something more symbolic.
A psyber-owl. An emblem of home. It can be a combination servo skull and attack servitor, and maybe be kitted out for different missions.

Wing Zero Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:13:13 No.14573130 Report

Quoted By: >>14573158

How about armor for the dusk like was suggested. And a set of equipment from the dawn? Like a dawn captain being seconded to the deathwatch after he's severely wounded and can't take the field anymore. he takes on a training role, along with the dusk marine. And after their death's, deathwatch is allowed to keep they're equipment. The first two nightmares.

I got the image in my head of a golden suit of armor, witha jump pack, storm shield, and a lance type relic blade. A holy knight type look. A marine can only request one piece of the set, and only the most respected are even considered to bear it into battle.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:15:13 No.14573145 Report

Quoted By: >>14573167 >>14573372

if its not too much to ask would you guys mind sharing some attention with the Abyssal Jaws in >>14571645

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:16:13 No.14573158 Report

Quoted By: >>14573190 >>14573252

>>14573130
a) One relic per chapter. Not 2.
b) Armor has already been done.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:17:13 No.14573167 Report

Quoted By: >>14573217

>>14573145
Yea we would. Still lots of work to do on /tg/'s pet chapter.

Wing Zero Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:20:13 No.14573190 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573158
The whole suit would be a relic. Just so important that it's never give wholly to one brother. And only ever have one piece out at a time. That way they won't lose it all around the damned empire.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:23:13 No.14573217 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573167
Top Ideas so far IMO:
Servoskull/cyber-owl
Sneaky Dreadnaught Shell
>Relic Hourglass< Favorite

I

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace chaosgallantmon_display.jpg, 71KiB, 290x290

Wing Zero Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:24:13 No.14573226 Report

Quoted By: >>14573252 >>14573263

I don't care if you judge me for my childhood memories. You can go fuck yourself. But I like this look for the armor, with a few tweaks and a jump pack.

Jareddm Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:26:13 No.14573248 Report

Quoted By: >>14573314

>being seconded to the deathwatch after he's severely wounded and can't take the field anymore. he takes on a training role

Deathwatch doesn't really work like that. The marines sent to the deathwatch are usually cream of the crop, certainly not a severely wounded captain. This means there really isn't training done, marines learn and adapt through interacting with their kill-teams

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:26:13 No.14573252 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573158
Rites of Battle adds further chapter relics, fortunately. There's precedent enough to at least justify Dawn and Dusk having their own relic.
>>14573226
It's not a bad emblem, just that a full suit of armor and gear with it is excessive.

Jareddm Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:28:13 No.14573263 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573226
There's nothing wrong with it being a suit of armor, but it really would have to be a single suit. There are instances where the chapter relic wouldn't really apply to a member of the chapter, and that's okay. That's why they have generic relics.

A suit of golden armor from a dawn captain might not be a bad idea. I know armor's been done before, but there's alot of variety it can have.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:31:13 No.14573293 Report

Quoted By: >>14573299 >>14573350

[Yet to be Named Relic Hourglass]
Worn around the neck. Actually contains 2 small needles (one at each end) with 2 highly potent drugs known only to the EN's.
Preforming the correct Rite of [NEED NAME] and injecting them selves in the neck causes the marine to experience one of the following effects:

>End 1
Increase Perception
Increase Agility/reflex related effects
Increase Dark Vision
Instantly refreshes the marine, making it like they have ad a solid days worth of sleep instantly.

Other will let them enter a dreamless sleep, allowing them to combat some insanity points away.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:32:13 No.14573299 Report

Quoted By: >>14573305

>>14573293
There's a penalty for overusing the Blood Angel chalice, add one for ODing on dream juice.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:33:13 No.14573305 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573299
Have one for ODing on either one. Drugs are bad mmkay?

Wing Zero Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:34:13 No.14573314 Report

Quoted By: >>14573322

>>14573248
Ah. then my idea just got thrown out the window. However I really like the combo package, its like the Cassius Fett stuff from KoToR. The whole suit is a relic, but is to valuable to use together. So, you can limit the players to only getting one piece, and only if no one else has a piece.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:36:13 No.14573322 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573314
It's just not really compatible as-is with how the Deathwatch relics work, unfortunately.
Maybe work on the Dawn Lance weapon for a personal thing?

Jareddm Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:39:13 No.14573350 Report

Quoted By: >>14573363

>>14573293
The hourglass...is filled...with drugs?

Why?

Why not just make it a unique psychic focus?

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:40:13 No.14573363 Report

Quoted By: >>14573383

>>14573350
I was thinking maybe the drugs was a bit over the top, too. Perhaps an artifact laden with Psychic energy that helps the Nightmare achieve rest, and grants prophetic dreams that give bonuses in the process.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:41:13 No.14573372 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573145
Don't want to be a jackass, but on giving them a read, I've got nothin'.
Good luck with your project, though.

Jareddm Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:42:13 No.14573383 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573363
This sounds good. We might even give the hourglass the chapter trapping book with a slightly upgraded bonus.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:46:13 No.14573404 Report

Quoted By: >>14573438

At first I thought something to do with the Warp but decided that maybe something a bit more down to earth was better.

Kinda invisioned it as being full of space caffine/cocaine

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:50:13 No.14573437 Report

Quoted By:

Maybe make the hourglass a Chapter Trapping, with it being either a necklace or a symbol affixed to the marines armor.

And make the relic a ancient grimore written by some important Apotchary/Librarian about the Sleepless.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:51:13 No.14573438 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573404
Stimulants are seen as taboo on Icelus. If the Emperor's own contend with fatigue, so too will everyone else. Plus, it's less warp-ridden when it belonged to a genuine librarian.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 01:55:13 No.14573468 Report

Quoted By: >>14573564

100+ Latin Names from "The Everchanging Book of Names" incoming:

Funnius
Encroler
Juscius
Velucius
Pertiulus
Capunis
Carbo
Greius
Aturus
Lilvaria
Camiulus
Pania
Parmianius
Pellus
Amerius
Urdius

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:04:13 No.14573560 Report

Quoted By:

Vaerto
Tirgius
Nirialius
Fulvia
Caspius
Megidirtes
Cadacero
Faurolius
Sausta
Vala
Dertian
Viatius
Tillia
Ventius
Tumna
Arteius
Caccius
Sittius
Tania
Paliulus
Pelvundius
Astian
Delbinius
Epsius
Sintelus
Veccero
Panius
Lillena
Munia
Alleius
Canducius
Strito
Gadilio
Muntitius
Camplucius
Apsius
Hortulo
Orius
Horius
Ciscus
Plaronto
Saufissius
Sectianis
Dorio
Maenia
Tupoliusus
Tirulius
Hemens
Aetosius
Scamico
Apillia
Tascanus
Arronix
Luscalius
Nosculus

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:05:13 No.14573564 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573468
All good, but don't forget we have all kinds of influences. Greek, Arabian nights, some Native American, and probably more I missed.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:05:13 No.14573566 Report

Quoted By:

Carmius
Grabius
Voria
Stlarsius
Reisia
Alius
Sosius
Pricarbo
Armius
Tilalius
Fanderus
Sylitian
Maconaso
Matius
Nencala
Visutius
Antunuso
Oclecia
Flellia
Fulvonius
Annarius
Cilannius
Villus
Illius

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:19:13 No.14573678 Report

Quoted By: >>14573729

You want some names from said cultures? They are all in Everchanging Book of Names.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:24:13 No.14573729 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573678
If you like. Thread seems about done for the moment, we'll likely put a 14th up before much longer.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:25:13 No.14573732 Report

Quoted By:

Aztec male names:

Tlantoci
Omalxiuitl
Xuceoichan
Milixucicoatl
Malxicochetzin
Nocecihtzin
Teteointin
Anihueci
Itzpocalotl
Huiconen
Ilicihuatl
Huicoxihtzin
Cuitlalcochtzin
Teotlicue
Elanoztli
Omaxochitl
Izquixochitl
Quiauhxochitl
Itzpenolotl
Huicocontzin
Macintzin
Tlalchiuticiconnen
Itzpapolotl
Chinetzin
Macuichueltin
Chintococintin
Elacochitl
Tlaxiltin
Tico
Huicaocueitl
Quiauhxoltotl
Tolinche
Xolinche
Tontetecoatl
Xucintzin
Cechihuetzal
Tolannochitl
Itzpenalotl
Cuitlazcochitl
Xoteoinochitl
Cuichicihuatl
Acelochitl
Tapotin
Macichechitl
Maloztli
Tlicaxochitl
Quiauhcochitl
Malonen
Xicontzin
Chaxtoci
Itzpamilotl
Ominueci
Tecahtzin
Xicoztli
Tlalonnen
Tentocihuatl
Tecoxihtzin
Teotalco
Tlichelinche
Omacinche
Palinche
Tlicuicoatl
Cuetlanontotl
Malinche

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:26:13 No.14573748 Report

Quoted By:

Babylonian, 20:

Sinyas
Nibuliit
Nim
Nishbezzer
Baliit
Nilimabduk
Melshamser
Asmibum
Nabum
Mylitta
Biluna
Bium
Inonus
Nibduga
Sat
Sidilshum
Obiesha
Sudimidus
Menus
Amurru
Muabu
Niebu
Nebulael
Sabu
Naliit
Subaliit
Abum
Sibinyas
Muta
Nessabu

Jareddm Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:28:13 No.14573763 Report

Quoted By:

Speaking of names,

We still need titles for some of the remaining Captains.

Arakanden Varykai, 3rd Company
Delannas Koza, 4th Company
Kaysr Rhillunon, 5th Company
Jaiden Destrier, 8th Company
Milo Icarus, 9th Company
Pellus Ursighna, 10th Company

The titles don't have to relate to the specialties of their company, in fact, it might be related to a non-combat position that the particular Captain holds

-from thman

The Man has spoken!

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:33:13 No.14573824 Report

Quoted By: >>14573832

Guys, how did we drift from "Sleepy marines split between sneaky and bold" to "Aztec druggies"?

I think we need to stop, and go back to the Emperor's Nightmares at their roots.

Jareddm Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:33:13 No.14573828 Report

Quoted By:

>14573813

also, new thread

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 02:34:13 No.14573832 Report

Quoted By: >>14574238

>>14573824
We stopped the drug thing, don't worry. As for Aztec, was there any prior influence of any sort? We've had an awful lot.

Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2011 03:13:13 No.14574238 Report

Quoted By:

>>14573832
Well, not Aztec exactly, but we took Native American names in a few stories because of the Dreamcatcher and Sleep importance.

Magi Wed 13 Apr 2011 04:30:13 No.14575124 Report

Quoted By:

A neat cyber owl of some sorts comes to mind. Maybe granting a perception or ballistic skill bonus due to its diligent eyes and sensors.

Subject

Name

E-mail

Password

Capcode	All Only User Posts Only Verified Posts Only Moderator Posts Only Manager Posts Only Admin Posts Only Developer Posts Only Founder Posts
Show Posts	All Only With Images Only Without Images Only Spoiler Images Only Non-Spoiler Images
Deleted Posts	All Only Deleted Posts Only Non-Deleted Posts
Ghost Posts	All Only Ghost Posts Only Non-Ghost Posts
Post Type	All Only Sticky Threads Only Opening Posts Only Reply Posts
Results	All Grouped By Threads
Order	Latest Posts First Oldest Posts First

On these archives

Your latest searches

Emperor's Nightmare 13