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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 01:43:48 2023 No.88043744 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>88043971 >>88044869 >>88045437 >>88045988 >>88065610 >>88069726 >>88079679 >>88133157 >>88141194

Missile Massacre Edition

Previous thread: >>87980607

>Official Website:
https://massifpress.com/lancer

>Mediafire (Books and LCPs)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/0txhhkaj3y7vg/Lancer

>Retrograde Minis
https://retrogrademinis.com/
https://mega.nz/folder/aMslAKxI#UNjxW7xB2RMqbLZqCWqpUg

>Comp/Con
https://compcon.app/#/

>Useful tools and Anon's Guide to Lancer in Foundry
https://pastebin.com/vKnrQTJ9

TQ: What build have you had the most fun with? It can be the absolutely ridiculous and off-the-wall, or just good ol' reliable, whatever makes you happy.

SecComm Discord: https://discord.gg/WvBFq2TAqD

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 01:46:34 No.88043760 Report

Quoted By: >>88043900

I've had a lot of fun messing around with the new "iconoclast" talent in the Dustgrave book. Not exactly extraordinary striking power even when "transcending" but lots of things that synergize with it and it's nice to be able to know you'll certainly hit. Can also get pretty strong if your GM is nice with technophile cascade behavior.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:02:49 No.88043900 Report

Quoted By: >>88043922 >>88046531

>>88043760
that's the NHP stack talent right? I find it hard to take advantage of since most NHPs require 3 LLs

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:05:57 No.88043922 Report

Quoted By: >>88044006

>>88043900
Yeah, it's kind of flawed until you get a real NHP that gives you actions. Thankfully Lancer has really strong respec rules if you want to skip that but 3 target + 2 line AP quick action zap is all right early.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:10:40 No.88043971 Report

Quoted By: >>88045118

I'm looking to maximize my "bestiary" of enemies. Looking to be about 114 atm on comp/con, but I'm unsure how extensive the 3rd party rabbit hole goes. I must have more. More!

>>88043744
>tq
Playing a Toku with Metalmark systems. Absolute blast to play, and easy so turns take no time at all. A plus in games with alternating turn order.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:15:18 No.88044006 Report

Quoted By: >>88044048

>>88043922
Which one are you getting, Sherman's?

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:19:32 No.88044048 Report

Quoted By: >>88044058

>>88044006
Asura is the "best NHP" but if you want to really make use of the talent something you can use "every round" like Scylla/Noah/Lucifer is probably better.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:20:57 No.88044058 Report

Quoted By: >>88044080

>>88044048
Some kind of LL9 Saladin NHP abomination?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:22:43 No.88044073 Report

Quoted By: >>88044081 >>88044090

i made art of my tortuga

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:23:20 No.88044080 Report

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>>88044058
Yeah, it can definitely be useful for giving some "passive" damage/offensive ability to otherwise very defensive or supportive builds.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:23:23 No.88044081 Report

Quoted By: >>88044090

>>88044073
is it named "Hashut"?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:24:09 No.88044090 Report

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>>88044073
and here is the pilot
>>88044081
alas, i don't know what to call it yet

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:25:50 No.88044100 Report

Quoted By: >>88044109

>>88044090
Is this was inhaling Jenkem does to a man?

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:27:20 No.88044109 Report

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>>88044100
it is dangerously likely

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 02:56:04 No.88044280 Report

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There's already one for frames but I'm considering going to tier list maker and making one for core powers, weapons, systems ect. Maybe even npcs.

Might have to split up systems into a few separate categories.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 04:26:22 No.88044869 Report

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What's the current "tech" available for making our own LCP files? I know there are text templates, and I think there is an official(?) page that does some formatting for you. Anything else that could help a homebrewer make weird things like Suldan's mini-licenses?

>>88043744
TQ: I loved my multi-purpose Raleigh with Tortuga and Black Witch (though much of that love comes from the campaign, not just the build). I could land Roland NukeCav CPR shots even through hard cover. Weather enemy counterattacks with 2 armor and good HP. Threaten nearby foes with Decksweeper and Mjolnir overwatch. And during my reload-turns I could move allies around with Ferrous Lash and toss out Lock-On at moderate range.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 04:48:54 No.88045056 Report

Quoted By: >>88049883 >>88074981

For those who are interested in the progress of it, we're still steadily plugging away at the Handbook of Union Realpolitik.

The text is still massively WIP, but we've got a prototype cover now! We decided to go with contrasting imagery of Paradiso and Inferno. This won't necessarily be the final cover, as we may get some professional artists to make something for it, depending, but it will do for the time being.

Our goal with this project is to enrich the setting with detail, nuance, and motivations that give every faction, but particularly Union, a more concrete identity both narratively and visually. We want it to be possible to play a hero, or a villain, or something more morally grey no matter what faction you choose to work for, and have the choosing of that faction actually be a matter of interest and preference by fleshing out these factions' personalities and aesthetics. This lore will be written and framed as coming from Diegetic and In-Universe sources as means of both fleshing out the lore and highlighting an alternative perspective.

Things that we will be including thusfar are:
>FORECAST/GALSM Documents concerning the "True" Timeline as compared to the "Accepted" Timeline. Discussing and highlighting events glossed over by the core rulebook and highlighting the way ThirdComm has manipulated historical events.

>UIB Documents concerning the structure and function of the Union Intelligence Bureau. Their Oversight Council, and selected documents describing their various operations.

>FORECAST GALSIM Documents concerning the Mission Statement of GALSIM, Implementation of the Utopian Pillars, and the the endless expansion and quest for resources it necessitates.

>UIB Psychological Profiles of important individuals in CentComm, Union Navy, HA, the KTB, the Corpo-States, Crime Syndicates, Pirate Crews, and various revolutionary groups.

>Example uniform designs for all the various factions, militaries, and organizations.

>Flags, Maps, and Logos

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 04:56:14 No.88045118 Report

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>>88043971
what are you sourcing from already?

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 05:43:18 No.88045437 Report

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>>88043744
>TQ: What build have you had the most fun with? It can be the absolutely ridiculous and off-the-wall, or just good ol' reliable, whatever makes you happy.
Tokugawa with Atlas systems (and also the reverse) has been a blast for me. Killyourselfordietrying.mech isn't exactly flexible, but Troll Stance Terashima with the full Tokugawa Nuke Cav suite active is a fine solution when the problem is just "I need to bonk that guy on the head really, really, really hard." Also, for fixing issues, the fact that Jaeger Kunst I is, I think, the only system that gives you exactly 1 heat on a protocol has come in handy just enough to trick me into thinking of keeping it around for later LLs.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 07:09:46 No.88045988 Report

Quoted By: >>88046063

>>88043744
>TQ: What build have you had the most fun with? It can be the absolutely ridiculous and off-the-wall, or just good ol' reliable, whatever makes you happy.

Im a simple lad with simple taste,
I punch with Zheng,
and call it "based"

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 07:20:54 No.88046063 Report

Quoted By: >>88046174 >>88046605 >>88046635 >>88047725 >>88050586

>>88045988
if only the D/D wasn't so bad

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 07:35:05 No.88046174 Report

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>>88046063

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 08:25:37 No.88046531 Report

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>>88043900
The save reroll from Technophile is pretty nice, on a tanky mech it can come up every fight.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 08:33:54 No.88046605 Report

Quoted By: >>88046624

>>88046063
I still want to try the meme Caliban D/D build one day

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 08:35:58 No.88046624 Report

Quoted By: >>88046832

>>88046605
what's that?

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 08:37:13 No.88046635 Report

Quoted By: >>88046670

>>88046063
D/D provides a high, self-contained burst option to a mech that otherwise doesn't spec into damage. One of my players has a tank/cc Zheng that occasionally fists elites and ultras, it works alright.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 08:40:23 No.88046670 Report

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>>88046635
>doesn't spec into damage
damage is the only thing Zheng can do, unless you're using him as a ghetto Kobold creating cover or something

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 08:57:03 No.88046832 Report

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>>88046624
Ll5+ build.
Get the caliban frame, put the extra mount core power on it, mount d/d, knockback the shit out of people.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 11:10:17 No.88047725 Report

Quoted By: >>88047753 >>88048696 >>88050586

>>88046063

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 11:13:57 No.88047753 Report

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>>88047725
UTTERLY BASED

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 13:09:00 No.88048696 Report

Quoted By: >>88049064 >>88049208

>>88047725
Maybe if you houserule it to be able to attack with the charged profile on the same turn you charge it. RAW, you have to start the turn already charged to be able to use it, which is pretty dumb

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 13:55:16 No.88049064 Report

Quoted By: >>88049208 >>88051001 >>88052021

>>88048696
I'm so sick of all these superheavies that have charge up rules that make them give up actions and end up dealing less or even damage per round with regular heavy weapons

You are already having to barrage, and give up an extra weapon mount just to equip and fire the damn thing, just make it work. Nevermind the fact that there's like 2 talents in the entire game that actually works with superheavies

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 14:14:32 No.88049208 Report

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>>88048696
>>88049064
I think it really just needs to work with executioner 1 and then it will be fine. obviously it wont do as much as OC HMG everest asura overcharge but what does? still going to feel better than an atlas or morning cloak

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 15:19:20 No.88049883 Report

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>>88045056
My brain already sort of imagines the book as a kind of Secret Society-style dossier about what the state of the galaxy is like and how to steer it on its course. Maybe some humans met a being similar to Metat Aun in ancient times and so have carried on its commandments?

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 16:22:42 No.88050586 Report

Quoted By: >>88050868 >>88051850

>>88046063
>>88047725
imagine not charging the dd288 with your reaction

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 16:45:01 No.88050868 Report

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>>88050586

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 16:58:33 No.88051001 Report

Quoted By: >>88051346 >>88052040

>>88049064
I feel like superheavies are way overnerfed for fear of like slightly more damage then like 2d6. I think the game could survive getting rid of one or two of their special restrictions.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 17:28:26 No.88051346 Report

Quoted By: >>88052040

>>88051001
I think they suffer from poor intsrnal balance as well. Some of them like the Leviathan feel like proper superheavies and have the numbers to match, sure a specialized build can probably outdamage it for the same amount of actions using smapler weapons, but then you're investing talents and LLs to do it

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 17:47:20 No.88051593 Report

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HORUS Succubus.

That's are far I got with that thought someone else can do the rest.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:03:35 No.88051850 Report

Quoted By: >>88052040 >>88066313

>>88050586
Wait, how can you do that?

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:16:47 No.88052021 Report

Quoted By: >>88052040 >>88052301

>>88049064
The problem is that heavy weapons are OP with basically no downside. A barrage-only weapon with slightly higher damage can't compete in a game where extra skirmishes are nearly free (or literally free if you're in Everest).

Also, stapling a GMS core bonus to your heavy makes it basically superheavy tier with none of the restrictions.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:18:43 No.88052040 Report

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>>88051850
pirate tech

>>88051001
>>88051346
poor and inconsistent internal balance is definitely a thing with superheavies.

>>88052021
skirmish is the best action

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:43:59 No.88052301 Report

Quoted By: >>88052317 >>88052790

>>88052021
>no downside

Not necessarily. Heavy weapons are usually balanced into the mech itself. Most frames don't have a heavy slot and can't get one. The ones that do are either 2 mount frames or extremely slow bulky frames with few offensive traits and systems, and also tend to have low system points as well.

A heavy mount is also pretty close un terms of potential output to a main/aux mount. The only exception is the heavy machine gun which is frankly a broken weapon, it's just overtuned, or rather the designers thought the inaccurate balanced out the extra damage, but with how easy it is to stack accuracy that's not the case

Another balancing factor is that many powerful talents are designed around main or aux weapons such as duelist, hunter, or walking Armory. The list of talents that actually work with heavy weapons are quite limited

I dont think heavy weapons are unbalanced (except the HMG), but I do think several superheavies need a bit more help to make them compelling choices. Particularly the DD288, which takes too many actions (if it stayed charged like the leviathan it'd be a different story), the barbarossas cannon which could use an extra dice or two on its loading profile, the annihilation nexus which has laughable damage, and the Tachyon Lance which could also use an extra dice or two of damage (it doesn't even outcompete the other laser rifles on its own license, single target, doesn't play into heat fall, etc). The cyclone should also have 2 more dice of damage considering its both superheavy and loading.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:45:17 No.88052317 Report

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>>88052301
except the Everest which has the best "1/scene burst" core power gets the heavy mount

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 19:32:02 No.88052790 Report

Quoted By: >>88052933

>>88052301
HMG is based and almost nothing across the 73 pirate tech LCPs I have can even hang with it, let alone eclipse it. I agree with some of your points - accuracy is very easy to get and other weapons would be more balanced if getting damage was as easy to get as accuracy. Main melee weapons are quite good. Main ranged weapons not so much.

having only two weapon mounts is not a drawback. Third weapon mounts rarely matter

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 19:45:30 No.88052933 Report

Quoted By: >>88053305

>>88052790
HMG should just be flat 2d6 damage. full stop.

also, 2 mounts is absolutely a drawback once you start taking structure damage and getting mounts blown off. its one of those things that doesnt show up on paper but becomes immediately obvious when you actually play the game out

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 19:48:38 No.88052967 Report

Quoted By: >>88053047 >>88053305 >>88069833

Let's face it. Lancer needs a 2nd Edition.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 19:54:46 No.88053047 Report

Quoted By: >>88053171

>>88052967
Nah, the way it exists as a semi-digital game that's mostly handled through a web app, it could be fixed with just some updates.

Only issue is the main devs have somewhat abandoned it, or put it so far on their backburner that an update is probably 10 years out.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:04:34 No.88053171 Report

Quoted By: >>88053179 >>88053305

>>88053047
God I'd cum if my ttrpgs started having patch notes days.

I wish they were 1/10th as big as video games instead of Just DnD+ 1 million one/two man indie teams scribbling down pages between shifts at their 48 hours a week minimum wage jobs.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:05:12 No.88053179 Report

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>>88053171
you will get off the cuff twitter remarks from people who don't play the games they design fundamentally shifting the rules and like it

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:07:04 No.88053203 Report

Quoted By: >>88053305 >>88053319 >>88053432

What's the best backup main/aux melee I can get with up to 2 license levels?

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:13:41 No.88053305 Report

Quoted By: >>88053336 >>88053338

>>88052933
taking structure damage is a skill issue

>>88052967
Lancer was originally marketed as 'LANCER: Season 1'

>>88053171
this is why my group played with all third party content enabled. It created a patch notes day. It created tons of expansion drops. It gave us a reason to dick around in engineering. Nigh infinite content. Honestly, I don't think lancer can truly support a general without the new content enabled.

>>88053203
u ever see the episode where andross kills zordon? Best melee weapon in the game

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:14:34 No.88053319 Report

Quoted By: >>88053334

>>88053203
what license? what are you trying to do? melee or ranged?

gonna need a little more to go on. that said, decksweeper is one of the best 1 level dips you can get, it does heavy damage on a main slot, and decksweeper+vanguard is a whole build.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:15:58 No.88053334 Report

Quoted By: >>88053357

>>88053319
>main/aux melee

READ MOTHERFUCKER READ

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:16:07 No.88053336 Report

Quoted By: >>88053365

>>88053305
see there is some good homebrew out there but there's plenty of retarded shit and a lot of it doesn't have free player LCPs to tell what's in it

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:16:16 No.88053338 Report

Quoted By: >>88053395 >>88053396

>>88053305
>taking structure damage is a skill issue

lol. tell me you've never played the game without telling me you've never played the game

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:17:58 No.88053357 Report

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>>88053334
okay then, dont have a rec if you're gonna be a cunt about it lol. figure it out for yourself.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:18:34 No.88053365 Report

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>>88053336
I count 56 catalogs with minted LCPs and 22 that do not have LCPs

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:20:38 No.88053395 Report

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>>88053338
i suspect the person playing with "literally everything anybody ever dreamed up for player options" might be playing an easy game for a related reason

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:21:00 No.88053396 Report

Quoted By: >>88054612

>>88053338
I'm a tokugawa gamer. Damage is a binary state. If I shoot it with a logi bullet it dies. If I get looked at I die. I have piloted my tokugawa in 8 different sit reps, and only two combats within those 8 sit reps did I get destroyed. One of them was a willing sacrifice that won us the objective and the game. The other was my DM porting 2fort to lancer. I got shit on in 2fort. Partly bc my two team mates were on the sniper deck and a Nelson trying to get the enemy intell so I had 0 support.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 20:23:57 No.88053432 Report

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>>88053203
torch maybe. hammer but that's loading, war pike is throwable and has knockback
for aux the fold knife i guess if you really want to do aux

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 21:50:10 No.88054612 Report

Quoted By: >>88054640 >>88055230

>>88053396
Tokugawa has 3 mounts tho

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 21:52:44 No.88054640 Report

Quoted By: >>88061925

>>88054612
yeah but warcrimes are expected of HA

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 22:36:26 No.88055230 Report

Quoted By: >>88055727

>>88054612
My tokugawa only has two mounts actually, due to my talent set up.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:23:36 No.88055713 Report

Quoted By: >>88055734 >>88055762

why is tech attack a separate thing from regular attack? like, why do mechs have a tech attack stat, and why does systems improve tech attack, but there isnt a regular attack bonus for weapons on mechs, and there isnt a HASE stat that grants regular attack bonus?

why did they feel the need to make the math on regular attacks and tech attacks so different?

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:25:16 No.88055727 Report

Quoted By: >>88055840 >>88056134

>>88055230
that seems fucking awful, why would you take that?

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:26:07 No.88055734 Report

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>>88055713
regular attack power on mechs is determined by what type of mounts they get. if there was a hase stat that granted regular attack bonus you would be practically forced to take it on strikers like hackers must take sys

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:28:52 No.88055762 Report

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>>88055713
Regular attacks typically help reduce the enemy HP to zero, which is inherently synergistic with allies attempting to do the same thing on top of having secondary effects like Reliable or AoE to retain pressure even on a miss. Tech attacks are all or nothing and need to be their own payoffs, so mechs specializing in them need ways to make them more consistent beyond raw Grit.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:36:04 No.88055840 Report

Quoted By: >>88055849

>>88055727
i looked up where this was from and it does really not seem worth it. t3's full action is "do 4 quick actions but skirmish and invade are severely nerfed"

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:37:05 No.88055849 Report

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>>88055840
and where it's from would be "Storm Ultimate Munitions: A Lancer RPG Homebrew" which i have not looked more into than at that specific talent

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:48:19 No.88055957 Report

Quoted By: >>88055993 >>88056011 >>88056066 >>88056143

Brainstorming what kinds of base stats/systems/frame traits a mech would need to be playable if it had zero(0) weapon mounts.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:51:59 No.88055993 Report

Quoted By: >>88056041

>>88055957
Core trait that allows skirmishing with improvised attacks or some busted tech options

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:53:47 No.88056011 Report

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>>88055957
Some bullshit that utilizes Pilot traits.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:55:57 No.88056041 Report

Quoted By: >>88056079

>>88055993
Yeah I was thinking in that direction too. Making improvised attacks quick and maybe even bracing much cheaper. On top of a fat stack of sp and at least +1 to tech. Generally high stats across the board.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:58:22 No.88056066 Report

Quoted By: >>88056090 >>88056187

>>88055957
Going in the other direction. Brainstorming a mech that has like four to six weapon mounts. How weak we make this bitch.

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 23:59:47 No.88056079 Report

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>>88056041
Maybe give it sort of system that Jams all mechs in X range or that it lands an improvised attack on? There aren't really any PC mechs that specialize in Jamming and locking up opponents.

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 00:00:47 No.88056090 Report

Quoted By: >>88056137

>>88056066
The Raleigh already exists

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 00:04:00 No.88056134 Report

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>>88055727
I need the hase to have enough system points to get my build out of the hanger at LL7. don't use Universal Knowledge with the toku, but I do use it on my support frame where all of those individual actions let it leave time clones all over the map. Invade, Skirmish, Bolster, Boost every turn, and my bolster gives me a free lock on. I dont think invading is that nerfed from this system, 2 heat nothing more often than it is something. Skirmishing is notably nerfed but this frame does not care that its gun is taken from 1d6 to 1d3 when most of the damage from the gun is from the time clones firing alongside it.

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 00:04:45 No.88056137 Report

Quoted By: >>88056148 >>88056163

>>88056090
Yeah but that's all aux.

In my brain mind I got a mother fucked standing there with slots list reading "HEAVY, HEAVY, MAIN/AUX, MAIN/AUX, INTERGRATED SUPERHEAVY SPECIAL MOUNT"

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 00:05:09 No.88056143 Report

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>>88055957
there's a couple where thats basically already the case. goblin, kidd, hydra (sort of), iskander, sunzi, minotaur.

there are quite a few mechs you can run and completely forget about their weapons all together.

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 00:05:38 No.88056148 Report

Quoted By: >>88056285 >>88056296

>>88056137
You've still only got the two attacks in a barrage

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 00:06:57 No.88056163 Report

Quoted By: >>88056285

>>88056137
So what happens here is you heavy/heavy barrage and everything else is for versatility.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 00:08:56 No.88056187 Report

Quoted By: >>88056296

>>88056066
I've seen like 4? 5? dual heavy mount mechs. I do not remember any of their names so I'm not gonna go digging for them.

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 00:17:47 No.88056285 Report

Quoted By: >>88058442

>>88056148
>>88056163
Heavy/Heavy
Main/Main
Special if it survives the last two rounds

If you need to reload then the target is dead, or you're about to be.

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 00:18:21 No.88056296 Report

Quoted By: >>88056541

>>88056148
Frame Trait:you can use all avaliable mounts in a barrage.

>>88056187
I refuse to look at other people's homebrews out of fear someone did something better than I ever could. I much rather yell out thoughts the second they enter my head into this here 4chan thread and have people call me either cringe or based without the self consciousness imposed by knowing what's actually out there

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 00:45:44 No.88056541 Report

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>>88056296
cringe

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Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 03:39:08 No.88058173 Report

Quoted By: >>88058952 >>88066423

Always remember, the Union Intelligence Bureau is watching. There are UIB members in this thread right now. There are UIB members coming to my house. There is no escape.

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 04:14:10 No.88058442 Report

Quoted By: >>88058797

>>88056285
Maybe a passive/system along the lines of "1/round when firing a weapon with the Loading tag, you may reload another weapon with the loading tag"

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 05:13:38 No.88058797 Report

Quoted By:

>>88058442
I think multi-firing loaded weapons is probably cooler/stronger/less overlap with storte

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 05:44:20 No.88058952 Report

Quoted By:

>>88058173
Good luck finding me, I'm behind paracausal firewalls (your walls catch fire)

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 13:41:40 No.88061925 Report

Quoted By:

>>88054640
Never forget that the Worldkiller was a GMS design. HA just saved the blueprints.

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 19:49:10 No.88065610 Report

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>>88043744
TQ: My favorite build was worldkiller genghis tachyon lance sniper

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 20:56:20 No.88066313 Report

Quoted By: >>88066329

>>88051850
You'd need a ally with Spotter 3 to place a Lock On on their turn - and then spend their other quick action to allow you to spend a reaction to use that Lock On to perform the Quick Action Charge up.

Or, alternately, Prepate an Action the turn before, to trigger the Charge up under set conditions.

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 20:57:55 No.88066329 Report

Quoted By: >>88066820

>>88066313
this sounds a lot like spending real actions with extra steps

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 21:06:15 No.88066423 Report

Quoted By: >>88068189 >>88068479

>>88058173
UIB niggers glow in the dark.

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 21:38:33 No.88066820 Report

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>>88066329
Yeah, especially since you just become slowed, you're better off just getting the soft cover at the end of your turn and then using it next turn like normal rather than trying to get cute with it. Preparing a charge is stupid since it locks you out of being able to overwatch on top of not having the cover. It's not like doing it like that saves you any heat buildup.

Anonymous Wed 15 Mar 2023 23:40:12 No.88068189 Report

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>>88066423
hit them with your fuel-injector car

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Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 00:04:32 No.88068479 Report

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>>88066423
kill UIB agents, behead UIB agents, roundhouse kick a UIB agent into the concrete, slam dunk a UIB agent baby into the trash can, crucify filthy UIB agents, defecate into UIB agents food, launch UIB agents into the sun, stir fry UIB agents in a wok, toss UIB agents into active volcanoes, urinate on UIB agents, Judo throw UIB agents into a wood chipper, twist UIB agents heads off, report UIB agents to CENTCOMM, karate chop UIB agents in half, curb stomp pregnant UIB agents, trap UIB agents in quicksand, Crush UIB agents in the trash compactor, liquify UIB agents in a vat of acid, eat UIB agents, dissect UIB agents, exterminate UIB agents in the gas chamber, stomp UIB agent skulls with steel-toed boots, cremate UIB agents in the oven, lobotomized UIB agents, mandatory abortions for UIB agents, grind UIB agent fetuses in the garbage disposal, drown UIB agents in fried chicken grease, vaporize UIB agents with a raygun, kick old UIB agents down the stairs, feed UIB agents to alligators, slice UIB agents with a katana.

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 02:33:52 No.88069726 Report

Quoted By: >>88070440

>>88043744
TQ: I'm relatively new to lancer, but I've been enjoying this Blackbeard I've got immensely. Not really sure if the build is good or not, but it's been fun.

-- IPS-N BLACKBEARD @ LL4 --
[ LICENSES ]
SSC SWALLOWTAIL 1, IPS-N BLACKBEARD 2, SSC METALMARK 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
Brutal 2, Combined Arms 1, Vanguard 1, Executioner 1, Duelist 1, Brawler 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:2 SYS:2 ENGI:0
STRUCTURE:4 HP:18 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:4 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+0
SPD:6 EVA:10 EDEF:8 SENSE:5 SAVE:12
[ WEAPONS ]
FLEX MOUNT: Shotgun // Overpower Caliber
MAIN MOUNT: Assault Rifle
HEAVY MOUNT: Nanocarbon Sword
[ SYSTEMS ]
Custom Paint Job, EVA Module, Reactive Weave, Flash Charges x2, Rapid Burst Jump Jet System, Manipulators

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 02:47:47 No.88069833 Report

Quoted By: >>88070018 >>88077373

>>88052967
that's basically ICON. tom has said as much

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 03:13:31 No.88070018 Report

Quoted By: >>88070023

>>88069833
icon is square enforced we need hexludo

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 03:14:05 No.88070023 Report

Quoted By: >>88070038

>>88070018
lancer literally works on squares as well

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 03:16:09 No.88070038 Report

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>>88070023
lancer works on anything icon is square enforced

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 03:19:37 No.88070067 Report

Quoted By: >>88070188

i would try icon but it's not done and nobody wants to play it relative to the amount of people who want to play lancer
also no cool mechs

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 03:36:06 No.88070188 Report

Quoted By: >>88070384 >>88070699 >>88072216 >>88072572 >>88077564

>>88070067
ICON's got a very wholesome vibe of just you and your campfire. ICON's kinda like... all the out of combat stuff that lancer is missing, but at the same time also having dogass combat.

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 04:02:52 No.88070384 Report

Quoted By: >>88077564

>>88070188
icon is a lot more measured and has all the stuff that was missing from lancer. which is good because now it doesnt have all that gay lore

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 04:11:56 No.88070440 Report

Quoted By: >>88077656

>>88069726
Huh... what was the idea with the swallowtail LL?

Admit the shotgun has always seemed worse then a pistol+tactical knife, which lets you use hunter 1 for added mobility.
Also the duelist doesn't do anything ATM. That a relic of a previous comp with this pilot?

Admittedly there is a lot that seems sub-optimal here. You'd either want a main melee weapon, or swap duelist to a talent that can trigger. Given BB likes quick action grappling then skirmishing with its heavy mount weapon or dual bristle crown mount, the latter seems a better idea. Admittedly with the range 5 grapple kinda covers the hunter 1 added mobility. Leveling executioner is always a good idea? YMMV.

Also, as noted, the bristle crown is a really nice option for if you have already grappled a target in a previous round and want to do a barrage.

Approve of having a longer ranged option in the main slot. I'm a big fan of taking 1 LL or Pegasus for the smart gun, to also get some defense targeting flexibility/accurate/seeking. Admit reliable is nice to have.

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 04:50:19 No.88070699 Report

Quoted By: >>88074837

>>88070188
I'll see if I can try it out. Sadly if it's not combat focused a one shot is a lot less representative of the game.

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 09:39:40 No.88072216 Report

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>>88070188
true. Our DM seethed so hard at us just happening to pick three classes immune to miss damage lmao

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 10:36:29 No.88072572 Report

Quoted By: >>88074413 >>88074840 >>88092579

>>88070188
How dogass is the combat exactly?
I like most of ICON's ideas on paper but I'm growing concerned, everyone tells me the game is garbage, should I just run Beacon instead for Lancer-like fantasy?
Don't tell me to go back to DnD/PF, I'd rather run some itch.io PbtA over that shit

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 14:34:34 No.88074413 Report

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>>88072572
dont listen to those anons, ICON's combat is real good. one of the best ive played. big improvement on lancer too

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 15:17:42 No.88074837 Report

Quoted By: >>88075243 >>88077564

>>88070699
Sort of like how Lancer has the pilot stats/equipment/talents and then you have the mech stats/equipment/talents, everyone has a combat role and a narrative role. So you can be a wizard that's a lone wolf (able to heal more during rests if no one helps him, and once per session can 'go for a walk' to get various small tasks done away from the party focus) or a brutish fighter that's the life of the party. A lot of mechanics key off 'expeditions', which are similar to Lancer missions but have a known number of long rests before the expedition is failed. The party has a shared campsite which is practically a character unto itself, with a variety of items, perks, and other restorative properties that the entire party pools resources to upgrade.

You'd really need to get the ebb and flow of expeditions to feel how it actually plays.

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 15:17:59 No.88074840 Report

Quoted By: >>88075164

>>88072572
It's similar to Lancer's 4e inspired combat but it cuts out most of the mech stuff that makes lancer interesting and leaves you with just something that feels clunky with limited options for engagement.

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 15:31:58 No.88074981 Report

Quoted By: >>88076550

>>88045056
Anon I love you and good luck. Is there any way to take a peek at this or contact you in some way?

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 15:41:43 No.88075070 Report

Quoted By: >>88089537

anyone have a mega link or something where i can download the interpoint station asset expansion packs?
hate when itch doesn't have a pwyw or community copies

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 15:50:41 No.88075164 Report

Quoted By: >>88076436

>>88074840
holy fuck imagine being this fucking brain dead

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 15:57:48 No.88075243 Report

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>>88074837
yeah just the issue is sometimes I commit to a campaign and I hate the game but I don't want to just ghost the people because they're all right

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 17:53:21 No.88076436 Report

Quoted By: >>88076715 >>88077564

>>88075164
its the truth though. Icon is tactically shallow. Break formation with your homies? You're fucked. Enemy has a gimmick? Fuck your turn, obey their gimmick. Default actions? You get throw stone and you get fucked. You are gonna spam the same basic and heavy attack for 90% of the game because your class only gets one of each. Can you take another classes? Eventually, but you will probobly already have advancements in the attack you have. Defenders and Controllers are improved ( though the community disagrees about defenders) and Strikers and Leaders are worse than 4e. The monster manual is cool as fuck but the combat is shallow and plays itself. There is very little room for player expression - turns feel very pre-solved. Nice combat puzzle.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 18:03:03 No.88076550 Report

Quoted By: >>88138442

>>88074981
Thanks for the well wishes. It's still pretty WIP but I and the other anons working on it will be posting irregular updates in this general, up to and possibly including some of our drafts and stuff. A lot of our behind the scenes is mostly just as bashing our heads against what's written in the core rulebook and going "how does this work?" and "why is it like this?" That and brainstorming logos, and designs. I'm a pretty big 40k fan and one of my favorite things about the setting is how cohesive it is visually. It builds its own language of design, symbolism, and style that means that you can almost always tell something is from 40k just by looking at it.

Lore-wise, we want to flesh out the Union, the good and the bad of it. The core rulebook has lots of what can best be described as "Union Good" propaganda, but it also has a lot of more quiet hints that make you feel like what's there might not be the whole story. We want to take that and give the quiet part with equal voice to the loud part. We want to take that Union and, without changing what it is, breath nuance into it and make Union feel like the flawed state that is trying to do good and transcend the atrocities of its past that it should be. Character-wise we want to put more faces and names to the factions, show the kind of people that are inhabiting this world, not just the lancers.

Visuals-wise, if we can breath something into it aside form, "It looks like Abaddon's art style," that would be the ultimate goal. Symbols for organizations, flags for nations, uniforms and clothing styles for factions like the Union Navy, the UIB, HA, and the other various corpo-states.

Some have accused us of just making the token "uhhh Union bad, actually" supplement. But that is not our goal. Union is neither good nor bad. It's people trying their best to do good, sometimes succeeding, and sometimes falling short, just like how it is in reality. That's our ultimate goal, nuance and realism.

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 18:17:11 No.88076715 Report

Quoted By: >>88076993

>>88076436
Do you think it can be saved with houserules?
Also, is combat shallow at low levels or just shallow in general?

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 18:42:47 No.88076993 Report

Quoted By: >>88077972

>>88076715
they need to triple options for class and double the ability slots you have to meet the complexity of the matsuno trpgs they stan

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 19:13:37 No.88077373 Report

Quoted By: >>88077564

>>88069833
I'm sure this has been asked before, but how is ICON anyway?

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 19:30:04 No.88077564 Report

Quoted By:

>>88077373

see:
>>88070188
>>88070384
>>88074837
>>88076436

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 19:34:31 No.88077613 Report

Quoted By:

Anyone happens to have the PDF for Mechanized Chassis: Advanced Paradigms?

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 19:38:22 No.88077656 Report

Quoted By: >>88081558

>>88070440
>Huh... what was the idea with the swallowtail LL?
It lets me invisible then move a number of spaces equal to my speed. I thought it would be funny.

>Also the duelist doesn't do anything ATM.
Nope, I'm just a dumbass. Might try levelling executioner instead.

>Also, as noted, the bristle crown is a really nice option for if you have already grappled a target in a previous round
noted.

Thanks for you help anon.

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 20:07:05 No.88077972 Report

Quoted By: >>88086846

>>88076993
this is utter copium. sounds like u just dont like the core designs assumptions of ICON, loser

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 22:21:59 No.88079421 Report

Quoted By: >>88079486

If you teleport while grappling a smaller character, do you take them with you? Says they mirror your moves

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 22:27:16 No.88079486 Report

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>>88079421
It depends on the specific wording of the abilities. You got a screencap of the ability?

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 22:45:54 No.88079679 Report

Quoted By: >>88080624 >>88081655 >>88083108 >>88083170

>>88043744
Here's a question for you, /lancer/, how does the economy in the core worlds work? It's post-scarcity, all your basic needs a met, people have no incentive to work, what incentive do people in the core have to do anything but sit around all day aside from boredom?

Obviously people will still do things, people with motivations and drive will go get higher educations and pursue work in higher level positions, but they won't get any added compensation from it that they wouldn't get from just doing nothing. But what stops a sizeable underclass of people who would just rather be idle and pursue personal hobbies at best and just lay around watching cartoons or something all day at worst? It feels like we'd ultimately recreate the class distribution anyway except instead of "haves" and "have nots" it's split between "dos" and "do nots". That is the people with the motivation and drive to work for no compensation, and those without.

Sure the overall standard of living would be improved greatly by the extra resources of post-scarcity, but what is stopping them from essentially just recreating economy naturally over time, class systems and trade. If resources are no longer scarce they would certainly trade something else that still is but what would they use?

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 23:03:13 No.88079871 Report

Quoted By: >>88079915 >>88081495 >>88084573

aight I'm here just passing by with a question, does the system work if you completely discard the core setting or is it in some weird way way too intertwined into the books to just not use it?

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 23:06:33 No.88079915 Report

Quoted By: >>88079965 >>88081765

>>88079871
Most of it is setting agnostic. You need some explanation for why people can easily fix/recreate mechs during a long rest and the AI (NHP, non-human person) lore helps explain some of the more esoteric abilities, but mechanically it can stand on its own.

Anonymous Thu 16 Mar 2023 23:10:00 No.88079965 Report

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>>88079915
all right thanks, operation second yugo war: tito's back as an AI is a go the second I learn the system

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 00:17:57 No.88080624 Report

Quoted By: >>88081548

>>88079679
>what incentive do people in the core have to do anything but sit around all day aside from boredom?
Passion, pride, and necessity. As was said in Bioshock by a very wise sanitation worker, someone's gotta clean the toilets. There will always be some kind of labor to be done to keep everything running smoothly, and the success of various parts of the internet (Wikipedia, Google, and Twitter, in particular) is proof that people are very willing to do a lot of unpaid labor if it means something they care about will work better.. Some people will do it because they're the Michelangelo of cleaning toilets. Some people will do it because they understand that it's important and they have an active investment in keeping their community clean and running smoothly. Some people will do it just because their block assigns certain jobs by labor lottery and they pulled sanitation duty this quarter.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 01:50:56 No.88081495 Report

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>>88079871
pretty much entirely setting agnostic apart from the names of stuff

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 01:55:19 No.88081548 Report

Quoted By: >>88082122

>>88080624
I doubt people would work as toilet cleaners for free, you can't really compare it to editing wikipedia

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 01:55:56 No.88081558 Report

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>>88077656
So, the metal mark is what gives you the reactive invisibility. Swallow tail 1 gives 2 systems you aren't using, and don't really mesh with the build. Hence the confusion.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 02:01:20 No.88081612 Report

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Do you have the balls to ride the mechanical bull of doom?

-- HA ENKIDU @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
IPS-N BLACKBEARD 3, HA TOKUGAWA 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
FOMORIAN FRAME, IMPROVED ARMAMENT
[ TALENTS ]
BLACK THUMB 3, HUNTER 3, PANKRATI 2, DUELIST 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
STRUCTURE:4 HP:23 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:7
TECH ATK:-2 LIMITED:+2
SPD:3 EVA:8 EDEF:8 SENSE:5 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
Integrated: Plasma Talons
Flex Mount: SEGMENT KNIFE / SEGMENT KNIFE
Flex Mount: TORCH
Flex Mount: TORCH
[ SYSTEMS ]
SEKHMET-CLASS NHP, DEEP WELL HEAT SINK, PERSONALIZATIONS

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 02:04:28 No.88081655 Report

Quoted By: >>88081759

>>88079679
Figure union works similar to the federation in startrek. Basic needs are met, and a fair bit of whatever else you want. Land is still limited, as are any sort of large scale projects. If you want to have a restaurant, you need to be exceptional... or be willing to move out to newly settled systems where there is still free space.

Service to the state is the way to generally get anything though. Be notable and useful to the party, and you'll be able to get all kinds of shit. Have notable skill and you will also be given ways to use it. If you are exceptional and don't want to further the state though... well, you won't starve and can just watch the boob tube.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 02:12:44 No.88081759 Report

Quoted By: >>88081800

>>88081655
it says in the book that the main source of trade and labor in the post scarcity world of union inner worlds and gate cities are the arts and creative endeavors. its a world where most menial labor has been automated, any material needs one has can be printed or provided with basically no effort or cost, so the stock and trade of the citizens has become creativity and taste. art, music, probably quite a bit of VR simulation design, shit like that.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 02:13:31 No.88081765 Report

Quoted By: >>88082095

>>88079915
Latest idea for this sort of thing is just to port the system to a fantasy setting.

Lancers are granted mechs by the gods for some act of heroism. Further proving their valor will earn further boons. A Lancer can fully rebuild/reform their mech given time and concentration, with simple repairs taking much less time.

Lancers are often in an odd position. Most of the ruling elite are lancers, there are ritual forms of Heroism that can be performed at a significant financial cost. Those that get granted the gods favor through spontaneous heroism face the choice of conscription with whatever local established power structure, or exile to find a place as they can. With the note that often there are only so many Lancers a region will/wants to support.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 02:16:11 No.88081800 Report

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>>88081759
But there isn't infinite land for you to run a farm. Or run a ship foundry. Or, fuck, even a gym. You want to have a mansion? Welp, we can't give everyone one, so no.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 02:45:16 No.88082095 Report

Quoted By: >>88082128

>>88081765
Port LANCER into Warhammer 40,000. Imperial Knights do LANCER better than LANCER does.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 02:47:05 No.88082122 Report

Quoted By: >>88082562

>>88081548
Jannies do it for free…

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 02:47:36 No.88082128 Report

Quoted By: >>88082581

>>88082095
How do you explain a knight-sized kobold?

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 03:24:24 No.88082562 Report

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>>88082122
But how many janitors actually are there, compared to the number of 4chan users? Most people aren't gonna want to do that, only the truly deranged and sad.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 03:26:28 No.88082581 Report

Quoted By: >>88084625

>>88082128
Armiger-class knights literally exist.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 04:27:34 No.88083108 Report

Quoted By: >>88083312

>>88079679
>how does the economy in the core worlds work?
It doesn't. They're going for a Trek vibe, but Trek is based on having replicators everywhere that can print whatever you want, while Lancer replicators for civilian use for food or whatever are explicitly stated to be protein-paste level of yum.

So there's two options
1) Of fucking course they use money. It's post-scarcity in that no one starves, nothing you NEED is scarce, but beyond that you're on your own. The poorest of the poor live like middle-class do today: you have an easy job you kinda tolerate and that gets you creature comforts and gadgets but all the artificial scarcity like fancy sportsball tickets is mostly out of your reach.

2) They don't use money, but there's social pressure to take care of your own shit. Clean your own goddamn toilet, what are you, a child? Get your fucking shit together, pick something you like and learn to get good at it. We're not here to wipe your little baby nose and tell you you're special, if you ever want to get laid you've got to get out there and be fucking special.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 04:33:03 No.88083170 Report

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>>88079679
This is by no means a canon answer but the way I portray it is:
>all your basic needs [are] met
As in all your BASIC needs are met. You want anything more than a few sets of temperature-suitable plain shirts and pants, as little space as possible that can accommodate a bed, toilet, shower, sink, and very small storage closet, highly nutritional but flavorless grey mush, and water? You have to work.
Want to pursue your hobbies? Work. Want to watch cartoons all day? Hope you did enough community service to merit a TV license. You start with a LL0 lifestyle of all that shit I mentioned above and gain new license levels through community service. Union just redefined any and all jobs as "community service." The "better" the job the easier it is to level up.

Yes, you DO end up with a class of "haves" and "have nots" at the end of the day, but that's the point, because otherwise you have no fucking conflict in a fucking setting about blowing shit up with giant fucking robots.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 04:47:35 No.88083312 Report

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>>88083108
>Tfw gordon ramsey becomes a mean ass Kidd pilot

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 04:57:17 No.88083387 Report

Quoted By: >>88083661 >>88084145 >>88084602

Napoleons. I’ve seen these threads several times, and this mech is never mentioned.

Boring to play? Too inefficient? People don’t want to play the little guy? What gives?

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 05:30:56 No.88083661 Report

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>>88083387
boring to play mostly

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 06:30:53 No.88084145 Report

Quoted By: >>88084224

>>88083387
It's a defender and it's licenses aren't that interesting
Also bracing is generally bad and being better at bracing isn't good

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 06:43:36 No.88084224 Report

Quoted By: >>88084231

>>88084145
you can make bracing good. Ever seen a demon tiger install?

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 06:44:24 No.88084231 Report

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>>88084224
what

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Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 07:54:06 No.88084573 Report

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>>88079871
If I ever run another campaign I'm going for a Quantum Thief style "last call for baseline humanity" posthuman Solar System, fuck the multi-millenial tech stagnation.

You just need to place the megacorps somewhere (though they can just be regular corps) and have a reason for easy mech rebuilding, a patron with deep pockets should be enough.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 07:57:48 No.88084602 Report

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>>88083387
I haven't seen people building Napoleon either. I think if your team is getting rekt a Lancaster does the anti-getting-rekt thing better, otherwise you just get more guns.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 08:01:39 No.88084625 Report

Quoted By: >>88085084

>>88082581
Armigers defy physics to create terrain now?

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 09:23:57 No.88085060 Report

Quoted By: >>88085126 >>88098274

How would you run a dungeon/exploration campaign like a metavault? Would make it more narrative or would you use a grid?

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 09:28:22 No.88085084 Report

Quoted By: >>88085121

>>88084625
I feel like having some sort of foam sprayer that expands and solidifies to create terrain is the softest of soft sci fi technologies

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 09:36:20 No.88085121 Report

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>>88085084
But mane das PARACAUSALS FOAM. Like destiny n shieet.

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 09:37:23 No.88085126 Report

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>>88085060
you do it narratively/point crawl style for pilot combat and gridded in combat. Try not to include too many doors, they give the players the ability to stablize at no action economy which can be kind of busted.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 12:01:33 No.88086003 Report

Quoted By: >>88086045

Thoughts on Field Guide to Suldan? I think the writing and setting are surprisingly good, though the mechs are fuck ugly

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 12:06:32 No.88086045 Report

Quoted By: >>88086122

>>88086003
it has demon tiger install so it good

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 12:16:14 No.88086122 Report

Quoted By: >>88086132 >>88106559

>>88086045
elaborate

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 12:17:50 No.88086132 Report

Quoted By:

>>88086122
no

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 13:45:35 No.88086846 Report

Quoted By:

>>88077972
I made an arguement based on experience. Would you like to tell the class why the combat in ICON is not , to quote another anon, 'dogass' ?

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Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 14:30:15 No.88087211 Report

Quoted By: >>88087266 >>88087274 >>88094245

Quick question, is there any reason I couldn't reskin the Lancer Mecha as Zoids? I've been thinking of running a tournament style game and a few friends have been interested in trying out Lancer

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 14:35:45 No.88087266 Report

Quoted By:

>>88087211
mostly the only big thing holding you back from doing that is the mech manufacturers, but reskin those and you're good.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 14:36:19 No.88087274 Report

Quoted By:

>>88087211
none, your mech can be shaped however the fuck you want

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 18:21:14 No.88089537 Report

Quoted By:

>>88075070
you have to defeat sephi-ralf to honorable litonga to unlock his assets

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 18:30:27 No.88089616 Report

Quoted By: >>88089618 >>88092340

Game night, wish me luck

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 18:31:01 No.88089618 Report

Quoted By: >>88089718

>>88089616
whatchu piloting homie

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 18:42:04 No.88089718 Report

Quoted By: >>88091328

>>88089618
The npcs

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 21:28:53 No.88091328 Report

Quoted By:

>>88089718
based, kill them all anon

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 23:14:46 No.88092340 Report

Quoted By: >>88092390 >>88092404 >>88102392

>>88089616
I was stood up :(

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Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 23:19:52 No.88092390 Report

Quoted By:

>>88092340
D: oh no

I'm sorry to hear that. Have a virtual hug.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 23:20:37 No.88092404 Report

Quoted By: >>88093568

>>88092340
Gib spot

Anonymous Fri 17 Mar 2023 23:37:04 No.88092579 Report

Quoted By:

>>88072572
Just play 4e nigger

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 01:08:29 No.88093568 Report

Quoted By: >>88102392

>>88092404
Tokugawa for ants

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 02:49:01 No.88094245 Report

Quoted By: >>88095029

>>88087211
there's no mechanics for transformation, and the size mechanic might fuck some things up.

like, you *can* just 'flavour' it, just like you could flip a coin to decide the outcome of things and use that to 'simulate' literally any story, but it's going to be incredibly lame

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 05:05:22 No.88095029 Report

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>>88094245
More people could play in the core setting, but one of the biomech LCPs has a 1sp piece of gear that gives bipedal to a mech, and if you really wanted to sell the transformation gimmick you could do something like 'pay a repair to transform' in combat and have everyone make two mechs. I fondly remember the combat where our DM had us fight a boss who had multiple phases, Icon style, where he was a fuckhuge ultra with a few mini turns, or after he lost that healthbar he split back into his 5 component units.

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 05:07:15 No.88095043 Report

Quoted By: >>88098120 >>88102392 >>88103069

LANCER: FULL NAKED NEON is coming along pretty quickly. A skirmish campaign game ( like battlegroup) focused on Pilot vs Pilot combat, compatible with existing gear.

Here is your class list:
Biomorph
Chaplain
Cultist
CyborgLooper
Grapher
Gunslinger
Looper
Ninja
Nomad
Precog
Psyker
Roboticist
Rogue
Shaper
Scientist
Tekker
Trencher
Vampire
Veteran
Virtua
Voudoun

Clown will be next.

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 14:23:53 No.88098120 Report

Quoted By: >>88103069

>>88095043
Care to share existing details? I've been doing some super hacky improvised on-foot combat in my campaign and might be in the market to give my players some better options.

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 14:42:53 No.88098274 Report

Quoted By: >>88098456 >>88101054

>>88085060
I was playing with this idea the other week. Run it as a combination of cube and darkest dungeon.

So the dungeon is made up of rooms with 4 doors, external entrances/exits appear in the center. Rooms can have resetting opposition, generally with some solution to shut it down for an unknown amount of time. Lets you do more complex sit-reps as needed. Probably also need some trap rooms that don't appear to have Opfor, but do have some puzzle to overcome.

In any event, there are more exits spread throughout the dungeon. All exits lead back to the same place on the outside of the dungeon. Once found they are accessible as new starting locations. Also there is treasure, with some limit on what mechs can carry.

The parties employers want the whole place looted and mapped. They found it as this derelict station that passed as a moon. Time is limited, given proper authorities are likely to come dispute their claim at any time.

So the party is tasked with mapping the dungeon and collecting artifacts of interest. Have a quota system for grading performance over/under expectations. If the party is serially underperforming, probably add a rival team that is clearing parts of the dungeon.

So the party should try to move through as much of the dungeon as possible without breaking down. Hopefully finding a new exit each time. Probably provide some way of knowing the direction of the nearish exits. Maybe each of the 4 directional doors in a room list distance in rooms to the closest exit.

Another note to make things easier: I'd make the mechs remote controlled. So if the group wipes far from a known exit, you don't need to have a rescue team or whatever. It is still bad as whatever loot they are carrying gets dropped, and they aren't opening a new entrance.

An advantage/problem of this is you'd want to make up a large number of encounters ahead of time. Associated by room. I'd have the sit rep vary based on which door the party enters the room from.

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Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 14:54:03 No.88098351 Report

Quoted By: >>88098419 >>88100928 >>88100999

Could this system be adapted to a Monster taming RPG?

Like, you create your own monster, then evolves it.

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 15:04:16 No.88098419 Report

Quoted By:

>>88098351
at that point there's just better system for that man. what the fuck are you hoping to accomplish?

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 15:07:49 No.88098456 Report

Quoted By:

>>88098274
To do a little math:
say ~1/4th of the rooms are not an encounter, and the party averages 3 encounters per full repair/retreat. If you give them a LL on each retreat, you'd need ~52 rooms to the dungeon if you wanted to go 0-12. Probably add 50% to avoid any awkwardness, so say 75 rooms.

Want every exit to have another exit within 5 rooms at the most, to make them feasible to reach. Though a longer route might turn out to be better if it has more non-combat rooms on it.

Neat thing to do would be having some doors turn out to be non-accessible, or rooms turn out to be utterly collapsed. The distance to nearest exit wouldn't have updated, so a route may turn out more hazardous. Rooms that were disabled might reactivate when backtracking, with a new sit-rep. The map doesn't need to be square/symetrical. All kinds of fun stuff to do.

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 19:55:03 No.88100928 Report

Quoted By:

>>88098351
I've been working on adapting this math to a megaten/persona style game, but the project is very ambitious so it moves rather slowly. Evolution is not one feature I am planning on including.

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 20:04:50 No.88100999 Report

Quoted By:

>>88098351
>>88098351
Kind of? I assume you want the pilot/mech or trainer/monster separation. That would work, though I'd imagine in a monster tamer game you'd want to summon a different monster at every structure/stress point lost...

Lancer is heavily built around multiclassing, no clue how you want to approach that (monster breeding? cross-training attacks?)

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Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 20:13:06 No.88101054 Report

Quoted By: >>88101194

>>88098274
I wouldn't limit it to literal rooms, make it Manifold Garden hyperspace bullshit full of paracausal wonders. As for traps, just do some Roadside Picnic shit that kills you by accident because alien physics.

Now make it a proper campaign, add NPCs inside - aspects of the cascaded NHP, survivors of lost ships, perhaps even visitors from the future (it's paracausal, I ain't gotta explain shit). The rival team idea is amazing, as the campaign progresses there should be increasing interest of outside parties in the vault.

Also, allow RPVs for most of the rooms but make some of them unreachable with teleoperation. No risk, no fun.

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 20:33:11 No.88101194 Report

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>>88101054
"Room" was mostly to make visualization/mapping easier. It can still be whatever, just with a known pattern to the exits.

Probably should have a non-zero quantity of 0 G rooms. Have to be navigable without the various flight systems, but too much and it is just an SP tax.

Flavor wise... the facility used to be a training facility. An NHP was given increasing amounts of control when building it before eventually cascading. It is still trying to fulfill that base goal, freed from the shackles of physics and meat. Helps explain the steady difficulty curve.

Honestly at that, could strip the idea that there is some outside agency behind this. The party was sent to basic mech training at the facility. Things start out normal, but all the instruction is over comms. The training gets steadily more intense, and actively lethal. The fallen re-appear, with horrifying flashes of death and a reminder to do better. Printing is available when earned, as you prove yourselves.

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Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 22:38:40 No.88102392 Report

Quoted By:

>>88092340
Argh, that sucks. You playing in-person or online?

>>88093568
Have a bigger one, then

>>88095043
What, like a cut-down version of Infinity or something?

Anonymous Sat 18 Mar 2023 23:42:05 No.88103069 Report

Quoted By:

>>88095043
>>88098120
Yeah, its mostly a port of stargrave/frostgrave. Nice and simple and d20 compatible, the weapons and armor from lancer carry over nicely as well. If we can run compelling naval combat we should have working pilot vs pilot as well.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 00:41:37 No.88103606 Report

Quoted By: >>88103928 >>88103946 >>88104466 >>88104904

Pardon, still kinda new to the setting. IPS-N, SSC, and HA are all pretty straightforward in terms of acquisition and how people would react to them within the setting. But I'm still wrapping my head around HORUS and its relation to the rest of the setting. Many things I've read so far seem to indicate that most people would rarely, if ever, encounter paracausal shenanigans in their lifetimes. While Lancers are by no means normal individuals, how would they react to suddenly coming across someone manning a something like a Gorgon-pattern or Minotaur-pattern mech? Would average Lancers trust someone using what seems for intents and purposes to use magic, or be comfortable around a mech they can't accurately gauge no matter how they try? Conversely, would a player using a HORUS mech have difficulty interacting with others, or getting contracts/assignments in public when their mech casually disregards natural law?

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 01:12:51 No.88103928 Report

Quoted By:

>>88103606
if you're asking because you think it would be a good opportunity for roleplay, then sure, horus mechs could be considered to be weird, unusual, or even scary to some
if the answer would be used to justify limiting player options, then no. Licenses in lancer are a game mechanic first, they don't actually exist in the narrative of the game more than tangentially.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 01:14:42 No.88103946 Report

Quoted By:

>>88103606
Paracausal shenanigans are known about the same way most people nowadays know about magnets. Like most material printers have a paracausal element to them, all NHPs are paracausal, much technology throughout the setting is based on paracausality. The blink gates are baracausal even, as is the entirety of blinkspace.

The average person hears something works because of magnetism and they're like, oh okay. The average person in Lancer hears something works via paracausality and they'd react much the same way, knowing kinda sorta but not really knowing anything.

So seeing a horus mech isn't really a shocker or a surprise or anything to most lancers, more of a "huh, I didn't know paracausality could do that". Of course, if you pilot a Horus Mech Union will think you're a terrorist and most others will think you're a weirdo.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 02:16:58 No.88104466 Report

Quoted By:

>>88103606
My Head canon is that Horus mechs all have set ups to pass as other kinds of mechs. Like the goblin mostly looking like a fairly standard engineering power suit. Admittedly the art disagrees, but whatever.

I like the flavor of Horus being a cult/hacker collective. With members being on both sides of that divide. At the lancer level, you don't know what is even going on at any higher level. Your just at the level of doing things to get crumbs of secrets.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 02:25:30 No.88104528 Report

Quoted By: >>88104547 >>88104556

>Horus is allowed to co-exist with union
>4chan is not allowed to co-exist with pilot net
What did the devs mean by this?

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 02:27:46 No.88104547 Report

Quoted By:

>>88104528
>Union is more tolerant that Pnet
makes sense, it is a Utopia after all

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 02:28:37 No.88104556 Report

Quoted By: >>88104563

>>88104528
The devs do not actually run pnet (though it is official and condoned), that place has its own jannies

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 02:29:32 No.88104563 Report

Quoted By: >>88104573

>>88104556
why do they witch-hunt the neurodivergent?

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 02:30:40 No.88104573 Report

Quoted By: >>88104613

>>88104563
Because they're the ones who see a shithole and decide to argue about it instead of begrudgingly grabbing LHPs and PDFs and then ignoring the place.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 02:37:11 No.88104613 Report

Quoted By: >>88104621

>>88104573
pretty funny to know the new 4chan server is made by someone too dumb to just be able to do this simple thing

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 02:38:18 No.88104621 Report

Quoted By: >>88104825

>>88104613
I haven't checked that place out, every "freedom from lefty shithole" place is invariably populated with 70% people who just want to spam racial slurs all day to exercise their freedom in my experience so I have no interest

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 03:06:29 No.88104825 Report

Quoted By: >>88104837

>>88104621
I checked it out. Pretty chill place overall, nobodies overtly /pol/tard. They seem to mostly talk about games they want to organize, roast the setting's lore, and complain about pnet being a shithole. It's got your typical other small breakoff server hallmarks. I'll let you know if it ever turns into a shithole though.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 03:07:53 No.88104837 Report

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>>88104825
Maybe I'll join it if I ever want to discuss Lancer in that way then though I don't like the service in general really and rely on online forums and such for recruiting. Good luck with that server going well in the future to the organizers.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 03:19:16 No.88104904 Report

Quoted By: >>88104922

>>88103606
>Would average Lancers trust someone using what seems for intents and purposes to use magic
It bears mentioning that there are no "average" Lancers. While patterns naturally emerge over time, the main commonality is that they will do damn-near anything for victory or survival. Cannibalizing a dozen different mechs for repairs and upgrades or harnessing experimental paracausal tech is a non-issue. The law of the battlefield is "whatever works," so someone having access to HORUS tech just means that either HORUS has given them access or they've taken access for themselves. It's an oddity, but so is intentionally overheating your reactor and shooting nuclear fuel rods at people and handing over your mech to the ghost of an extradimensional axe-murderer.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 03:23:05 No.88104922 Report

Quoted By:

>>88104904
If Sekhmet wants to drive she gets to drive. Nothing strange about that.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 08:45:31 No.88106559 Report

Quoted By:

>>88086122
investigate the pelisat

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 17:04:14 No.88109807 Report

Quoted By: >>88109825

Is there a recommendation how often or after how many missions pilots should increase LL? I don't recall reading one.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 17:06:03 No.88109825 Report

Quoted By: >>88109850 >>88110078

>>88109807
page 18

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 17:08:30 No.88109850 Report

Quoted By: >>88109908

>>88109825
Fucking hell, thanks. Dunno how I missed that.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 17:14:30 No.88109908 Report

Quoted By: >>88109944

>>88109850
honestly it's such a vague "rule" that it might as well be "whenever GM decides to give you one"

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 17:19:21 No.88109944 Report

Quoted By: >>88109972 >>88110625

>>88109908
Yeah, that's probably where I got the impression. They never really go into the number of sitreps per mission or anything too granular. I wasn't expecting there to be anything like an XP total for every mech but it definitely does seem like people level up when the interesting engagements at the current LL are exhausted.

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Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 17:22:24 No.88109972 Report

Quoted By: >>88110625

>>88109944
there's also an alternate, kinda xp based progression system in The Long Rim pages 36-37

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 17:33:41 No.88110078 Report

Quoted By: >>88110488 >>88110625

>>88109825
Quick question: for levelling purposes, can a character get credit for completing a mission even if they died at any point? The level that character would have gained would go to their replacement clone, I presume, if that is the case.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 18:17:14 No.88110488 Report

Quoted By:

>>88110078
RAW, yeah, LL are more of a meta thing and player level should be even. Also, mechs are really, really durable relative to other RPGs.

Technically you can still blow up playing conservatively... but you have to get really unlucky. Most of the time, if a PC dies, they were choosing to engage in risky behavior. Which is usually more fun/interesting for all parties. Riding that edge of murder versus failure can be really great.

Real punishments for death would probably be more like losing out on reserves, or some narrative thing with the clones having increasing amounts of psychological damage.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 18:31:34 No.88110625 Report

Quoted By:

>>88109944
Missions are attrition based, 3 battle +/- 1 are necessary so the encounters are balanced and all stats (such as repair cap or limited systems) are actually relevant

>>88109972
It looks dogshit desu

>>88110078
If the clone doesn't have a memory backup of the mission, that's a bit awkward. Talk it out with the player, they can provide a narrative reason why the clone knows new stuff or just give them two LLs at once next mission (or even mid mission, if you plan full repairs) to catch up.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 18:44:13 No.88110712 Report

Quoted By: >>88110768 >>88113000

Is Lancer really about Fighting Climate Injustice and Border Injustice by being gay?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wickworks/lancer-tactics

>Lancer Tactics is an unofficial adaptation of the TTRPG to a tactics video game set on a world of fighting against border and climate injustice. I love this system of modular mechs, and I'm sad and furious at our historical and current politics — let's make a game where you can fight imperialist land-stealing goons by being gay and doing crime in giant robots!

This is how people promote their games in 2023.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 18:51:03 No.88110768 Report

Quoted By: >>88110805

>>88110712
fuck off with this bait. everyone here on this thread knows that the main lancer community is woke as shit, we choose to ignore it and just enjoy the game for the interesting tactics involved.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 18:54:20 No.88110805 Report

Quoted By: >>88110906 >>88110948

>>88110768
I know nothing about Lancer apart from seeing generals on /tg/, I was genuinely bummed out that the first time I see mention of it outside /tg/, it was in this context

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 19:02:10 No.88110895 Report

Quoted By: >>88111039

Anyone got a pdf copy of Field Guide to Liminal Spaces, or the LCP?

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 19:03:28 No.88110906 Report

Quoted By: >>88110948

>>88110805
the discord trannies took over, ironically the authors themselves aren't as pozzed (though lately they're playing to their audience)
also that lancer tactics abomination is third party by some rando

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 19:07:14 No.88110948 Report

Quoted By: >>88110983 >>88112392 >>88137844

>>88110805
Well I'm sorry to say that the majority of the Lancer fandom is a quite insular and woke community that exists on a discord server called Pilot net, which is the official lancer discord with all the devs on it etc. The mods are tyrannical, the community is ass cancer, and the whole place is a toxic, humorless, soulless hugbox hellhole. The people there think "be gay, do crime" is edgy, yet if you joke about warcrimes, joke about violence, or suicide, or any even remotely dark subject they'll ban you. If you try to discuss the actual themes that are right there in the setting itself, like the fascism of SecComm, the nature of Harrison Armory, or the crimes against humanity that certain mechs are capable of they'll ban you for talking about it unless you say the correct things in the correct way. Even people asking basic normal questions about the setting on Pnet need to couch their language to fit in with the server's woke etiquette or they'll get flamed for it.

Lancer Tactics is a 3rd party game made by the members of Pnet. So yeah, as >>88110906 put it, the discord trannies took over and the lunatics are now running the asylum over there.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 19:10:12 No.88110983 Report

Quoted By: >>88111085 >>88111116

>>88110948
isn't the 4chan server run by some tranny too?

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 19:17:58 No.88111039 Report

Quoted By: >>88111067

>>88110895
I've got some dolphin porn, if that's what you want.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 19:20:39 No.88111067 Report

Quoted By: >>88111085

>>88111039
according to the guy who runs the 4chan server, he's not a tranny, he's Chinese, dick to small to invert.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 19:21:50 No.88111085 Report

Quoted By:

>>88111067
oops, meant to reply to >>88110983

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 19:24:46 No.88111116 Report

Quoted By: >>88112141 >>88112392

>>88110983
Where do you guys even hear this?

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Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:03:02 No.88112141 Report

Quoted By:

>>88111116

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:34:31 No.88112392 Report

Quoted By:

>>88111116
>>88110948
here

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:38:23 No.88112431 Report

Quoted By: >>88112455 >>88112456 >>88113541 >>88120606

Is there a preferred platform for running games of Lancer?
I'm debating between TTS (Because it makes 3d terrain easy and makes for good looking fights) and Roll20 (for accessability to players) but I'm willing to learn to run on a different platform if one works better than the above 2.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:40:46 No.88112455 Report

Quoted By:

>>88112431
There may be some open source style foundry macros floating around. Or they may be private, idk. Roll20 works well for our table.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:40:56 No.88112456 Report

Quoted By:

>>88112431
Roll20 works decently enough and has enough integration that you can sometimes get away with only using compcon as a reference tool rather than having it do all the heavy lifting, but it's probably worth shopping around.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 22:38:00 No.88113000 Report

Quoted By:

>>88110712
/vrpg/ is that way, you seem to have a question about a CRPG adaptation

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 23:00:36 No.88113244 Report

Quoted By:

There are about 250 playable NHPs in lancer

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 23:33:27 No.88113541 Report

Quoted By: >>88113569

>>88112431
not-Ralf, but to shill his shit: Interpoint has a bunch of macros to make running lancer on roll 20 easier. Like a map generator and character sheets that automate a bunch of stuff. IIRC he wants like... some patreon money for it? Haven't messed with it, but playing interpoint a few times the character sheets were very slick.

Anonymous Sun 19 Mar 2023 23:36:26 No.88113569 Report

Quoted By: >>88114672 >>88143518

>>88113541
if you're spending money to make your vtt better why not just buy foundry. roll20 is for being free and foundry is great for lancer automation

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 01:31:42 No.88114672 Report

Quoted By: >>88114701 >>88115375 >>88115411

>>88113569
what about Tabletop Simulator?

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 01:34:49 No.88114701 Report

Quoted By: >>88114748 >>88115411

>>88114672
Tabletop sim is fine and has nice things like 3d models but I don't know of strong Lancer-specific automation and it has the issue of "everybody needs to buy it to play" (though it is cheaper than Foundry for the GM)

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 01:38:28 No.88114748 Report

Quoted By: >>88115386

>>88114701
it's also on Steam which means it's cheaper for anyone not paying in US dollars basically

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 02:42:18 No.88115375 Report

Quoted By: >>88115411

>>88114672
TTS is both the slowest to run and the slowest to prep for

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 02:43:16 No.88115386 Report

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>>88114748
>which means it's cheaper for anyone not paying in US dollars
Unless you live anywhere that's not South America.

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 02:45:57 No.88115411 Report

Quoted By: >>88115445

>>88114672
>>88114701
>>88115375
TTS sucks ass for RPGs. The program is made for board games, not RPGs. Yeah you can make some pretty 3D battle maps, but your character sheets will be janky as fuck at best and there's about as much automation as playing with a pen and paper.

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 02:50:01 No.88115445 Report

Quoted By:

>>88115411
The trick with making battlemaps, I stole this from Matsuno his magnum opus Tactics Ogre Luct, is to make a really big battle map, like x4 the size, and then use the portion of it you need for a given session. You don't want to do this every time but there is alot to be said about returning to a familiar map and facing a new set of challenges.

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 03:53:34 No.88115958 Report

Quoted By: >>88115973 >>88116620 >>88116626 >>88117746

probably pretty off topic but how difficult is it to make a web app like comp/con?

working on a lancer adaptation, but i think comp/con is probably a large part of what makes the game actually function, but i am not a web developer so i dont know much about how complex a thing comp/con is to set up or tweak

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 03:55:14 No.88115973 Report

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>>88115958
to be honest compcon is just a (very nice) character sheet and reference tool it kind of sucks for other things so you could get by without it. web apps are pretty easy to learn how to make in my experience but compcon is a particularly nice looking one even if it breaks all the fucking time so that would be the hard part (and paying for cloud stuff/hosting will cost a little bit of money)

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 05:17:38 No.88116620 Report

Quoted By: >>88118634

>>88115958
>comp/con is probably a large part of what makes the game actually function
only because the game has so many lego pieces that need sorting, and comp/con vaguely functions as a set of drawers for said lego pieces

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 05:18:08 No.88116626 Report

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>>88115958
What are you brewing anon?

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 08:32:34 No.88117746 Report

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>>88115958
compcon is open source and on github, just fork it and make your changes, or ask a web dev fren to do it for you
it's a pretty vanilla vue.js app

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Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 11:39:04 No.88118634 Report

Quoted By: >>88119784 >>88123915

>>88116620
If skipping COMP/CON, I'd consider using something like the spell cards someone made for D&D in RL play. A few copies of GMS gear in the common pool + a card for everything a player unlocked + a bigger printout for each frame and its base stats.
- easy integration of exotics
- you can tap 1/round systems, reactions etc to mark they're used
> can build mechs without touching the PC
> all options for your actions clearly visible
> no problems with retarded COMP/CON print feature missing half of the mechanics
The more I think about it the more based it looks.

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 14:11:44 No.88119784 Report

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>>88118634
Also lets you do counters for the limited system.

Though you would also want cards for the talents/core bonuses. Some of which really want to be multiple cards. Admittedly those are less swapable, so you could just have players write them out.

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 15:41:45 No.88120606 Report

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>>88112431
Foundry's Lancer module is actually S+ tier. Characters can be directly imported from comp/con, the NPC templates and features are all drag 'n drop from a compendium, and the module supports all the sizes and templates required. Strong recommend if your GM can fork out for Foundry.

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 21:05:24 No.88123915 Report

Quoted By: >>88124232 >>88128652 >>88128825

>>88118634
Spell cards are great and they mainly make me wish 4e hadn't been a dumpster fire. Apparently Wizards was planning a web tool for it essentially in the same vein as comp/con and the one dude they had on the project literally died in a freak accident.

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 21:32:27 No.88124232 Report

Quoted By: >>88127828

>>88123915
wizards considered selling booster packs for 4e lmao

Anonymous Mon 20 Mar 2023 23:15:06 No.88125365 Report

Quoted By: >>88126136

post maps
also pray for my luddite ass because I can't use compcon for shit

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Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 00:31:22 No.88126136 Report

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>>88125365
Here, Anon. From my heart to yours. Post something of your own if you want more.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 03:29:38 No.88127828 Report

Quoted By: >>88127940

>>88124232
I do not want to think about the world where my rogue's Sly Flourish does extra damage because I pulled a Mythic Rare version of the skill card.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 03:46:53 No.88127940 Report

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>>88127828
4e was probably more successful in that timeline.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 05:28:07 No.88128652 Report

Quoted By: >>88128691

>>88123915
>freak accident
Murder-suicide isn't exactly a "freak accident."

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 05:33:46 No.88128691 Report

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>>88128652
Christ, I'd remembered it being a heart attack or some shit. I forgot it was that level of tragedy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_and_Melissa_Batten

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 05:54:35 No.88128825 Report

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>>88123915
wotc was planning on making something more like TTS/Roll20 than comp/con

sage Tue 21 Mar 2023 08:57:20 No.88129782 Report

Quoted By: >>88131277

Anybody have a cool idea for personalizations on a punching and kicking mech?

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 09:06:12 No.88129834 Report

Quoted By: >>88130272 >>88131351 >>88131791 >>88132526 >>88133321 >>88137830

IS INVITING SOMEONE TO PLAY LANCER CONSIDERED A FORM OF TRANS GROOMING?

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 10:37:28 No.88130272 Report

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>>88129834
Yes.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 13:02:45 No.88131277 Report

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>>88129782
Boxing gloves and kick pads

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 13:14:48 No.88131351 Report

Quoted By: >>88133321

>>88129834
Gamer the tagline is, “be gay and do crimes.” That means you’re pushing them to be gay.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 14:04:01 No.88131791 Report

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>>88129834
nice caps lock, nigger

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 15:33:33 No.88132526 Report

Quoted By: >>88133044

>>88129834
just jettison the lore nigga

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 16:30:44 No.88133044 Report

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>>88132526
This is the right way to do things. I did my own setting and lore, pretty much only using the combat side of the source material. We're in year 3 of the campaign, so it seems to be going OK.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 16:42:01 No.88133157 Report

Quoted By: >>88133265 >>88133834 >>88134623

>>88043744
Hey guys. New to Lancer, working on running my first game with my own setting wherein the Cavalry are a sort of military branch, SPARTAN-esque force. As a method of introducing my players to the mechanics and my setting, I was thinking of having the first little arc of the game be their graduating year from a Lancer Acadamy, where most sorties will be simulated evaluations, with a bit of intrigue mixed between simulator missions.

The final exam will be a simulation of an anachronistic WW2 where the players using their mechs will participate in the beach landing at Normandy and later on Square off against mecha-hitler and his Panzeritter forces.

Do you think the first 5 missions or so being primarily "simulated," school based, and a little disconnected from the rest of the setting is a good idea or not? The overarching story beats of this setting does have to do with the Lancer Program and it's recruitment processes itself.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 16:51:59 No.88133265 Report

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>>88133157
Should be fine, honestly. Most TTRPG campaigns in general spend a few sessions finding their actual tone with lots of soft retcons, so doing in a space where you can easily wipe the slate clean later isn't that much of an issue. There's also a lot of mechanical complexity if your players aren't well versed in tactical combat in general, so a few softballs where even if they get dumpstered the worst they get is a demerit is probably a good idea.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 16:57:21 No.88133321 Report

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>>88129834
>>88131351
But don't talk about the crimes on the official discord or else you'll get banned.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 16:59:09 No.88133329 Report

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i was going to get the actual tagline to fake complain about people discussing CRPGs on /tg/ but the actual website is the worst part of modern web design holy hell

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 17:41:36 No.88133834 Report

Quoted By: >>88133942

>>88133157
you should watch Ender's Game

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 17:50:55 No.88133942 Report

Quoted By: >>88134242 >>88134509

>>88133834
>watch

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 18:15:47 No.88134242 Report

Quoted By: >>88134342

>>88133942
You can read the novelization I guess, if you want a watered down version with just a creepy amount of underage shower scenes inserted as filler.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 18:24:33 No.88134342 Report

Quoted By: >>88134378

>>88134242
The Novelization. Of a movie Adaptation. Of a Book.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 18:28:07 No.88134378 Report

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>>88134342

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 18:40:58 No.88134509 Report

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>>88133942
I think of the movie first only because I really enjoyed the environment design and the set up of the simulation. The book does a much better job covering the themes and going over the thought processes of Ender himself, this is true. I just like the look of the movie.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 18:50:27 No.88134623 Report

Quoted By: >>88136041

>>88133157
See, the real alpha move would be to never end the training arc. Just keep going, session after session, with more and more over the top simulations. Hopefully eventually the players will cotton on to something being funky, or complain to some connection.

Turns out the AI that was running the training sims has gone into cascade and trapped the trainees to keep getting the reward stimulus for successful training. The AI's hardware has fucked off into a spacial distortion, and disconnecting people sets off fail safes to fry them.

The trainees now have to force the AI to start a graduation exam, then beat it. Except the AI will pull out all the stops it can. So a ludicrous unfair sit rep, with a boss fight versus the AI at the end.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 20:52:17 No.88136041 Report

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>>88134623
that sounds like it could be a really fun campaign, I'm gonna need to steal this idea anon.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 21:34:33 No.88136521 Report

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GOD DAMN THESE EVEREST MECHS SURE CAN GO FAST. BEEP BEEP.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 23:21:09 No.88137830 Report

Quoted By: >>88138053

>>88129834
meds, now.
besides, you can have your lancer game set in the KTB sectors of the galaxy- so you're more than welcome to have Kingdom vs Kingdom and go full DUNC if you wish

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 23:22:32 No.88137844 Report

Quoted By: >>88138148

>>88110948
aren't you the schizo who lied about the Genghis mech being banned?

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 23:25:59 No.88137863 Report

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PSA: If a discord server is a shithole you can ignore it! Pnet sucks because some prerelease stuff is locked on there but you are under no obligation to interact with the denizens of that server to find or recruit for a game.

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 23:47:59 No.88138053 Report

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>>88137830
CUT OFF YOUR TOES AND EAT THEM TRANNY

Anonymous Tue 21 Mar 2023 23:58:34 No.88138148 Report

Quoted By: >>88138185 >>88138516 >>88139269 >>88142642

>>88137844
Aren't you the pnet shill who came to this thread to try and run defense for your shitty discord server?

Pnet bans joking about warcrimes, in a fucking mech game, they've made multiple announcements about it. Genghis is the mech of burning people to death, but that's a warcrime, so don't you ever so much as make light of the mech you're playing in the game, joke about it, or talk about it in any way without assuming the correct approved "tone" and "respect." They've even banned people for just talking about the actual themes and events that take place in lore because. Just scrolling through the ban logs on Pnet is hilarious.

>>88137844
https://mega.nz/folder/c5gAGSaC#JQDDQBTgo1MLVGPVEb5DQA/folder/AkBVFI5a

It's all right here anon, I've eliminated your need.

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 00:03:23 No.88138185 Report

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>>88138148
ITS NOT A WAR CRIME IF YOU DO IT TO WHITEY. THE FUTURE IS MUD

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 00:29:36 No.88138442 Report

Quoted By: >>88139193

>>88076550

Is there a google doc where we can see your draft?

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 00:42:10 No.88138516 Report

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>>88138148
this is missing shit like SSMR so my point still stands

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 01:57:56 No.88139169 Report

Quoted By: >>88139191 >>88139302

what the fuck is this server is it a lancer server or just some clique why are the mods so angry

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 01:59:14 No.88139191 Report

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>>88139169
it's a lancer server, but there's one guy who really bothers the owner for some reason

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 01:59:16 No.88139193 Report

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>>88138442
Hey, glad you're interested! We're still in the planning stages of everything we're working to include, but we hope to have a full draft ready soon. Me and my fellow author are both in university and I just got accepted to grad school recently so our plates are pretty full, but we're working away at it.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 02:08:36 No.88139269 Report

Quoted By: >>88139375 >>88139442

>>88138148
The ban on war crime jokes was because literally every retard in the channel would spam incessantly.
New fags would join the channel and immediately go "Hey xuys I'm here and ready to burn civilians XDDDDD"
It wasn't banned for being offensive, it was banned for being obnoxious.

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 02:13:03 No.88139302 Report

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>>88139169
>tfw the people writing the nu-lore are all LL2 and lower

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 02:15:30 No.88139324 Report

Quoted By: >>88139335 >>88139564 >>88139831 >>88140664 >>88140765 >>88141118

Between these three which is the best alternative setting for the lancer mechs.

1. Still far future, post human extinction. Just a bunch of different aliens fighting each other.

2. Standard medieval European dnd fantasy setting. The mechs and guns are powered by magic.

3. Modernish history. Anywhere between WW1 till like near future 2050.

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 02:16:36 No.88139335 Report

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>>88139324
honestly I like all of these, I think it might take some more creative stretching to make some of these make sense, but I suppose that's true for any alternative setting, isn't it?

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 02:21:02 No.88139375 Report

Quoted By: >>88139411

>>88139269
>It wasn't banned for being offensive, it was banned for being obnoxious.
They literally made an announcement saying they banned it because it was offensive and "triggering."

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 02:24:22 No.88139411 Report

Quoted By: >>88139477

>>88139375
And you believe that the tranny mod wouldn't spin the announcement to self-aggrandize?
I was there, the original reason was because it had been repeated ad nauseam.

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 02:27:48 No.88139442 Report

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>>88139269
a ban is a ban anon

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 02:32:03 No.88139477 Report

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>>88139411
Still doesn't help their image. Just a different flavor of douchenozzles.

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 02:40:29 No.88139564 Report

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>>88139324
God I'd love to play the second one and replace the out of mech rules with basic dnd. With some special rules that make mechs on another tier. Like taking half damage from all non mech attacks and doing double to non-mechs. Kinda like how RIFTS had two damage scales.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 03:06:36 No.88139831 Report

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>>88139324
Far future vampire universe eldritch abominations. The mechs and guns are powered by cybernetic haemothurgy.

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 03:15:47 No.88139902 Report

Quoted By: >>88140021

i've been trying to work on some total conversion of the mechanics to a non mech thing to see how it does (i do feel it's a good fit to what i want even the "out of combat" stuff) so we'll see how that goes. i do think the base rules have potential for other things and icon isn't really the direction i want

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 03:30:14 No.88140021 Report

Quoted By: >>88140070

>>88139902
have you read lancers in the dark? crummy name but good mechanics. The rebalance to core frames is pretty neat, makes monarch and barbarosa good again

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 03:35:11 No.88140070 Report

Quoted By:

>>88140021
interesting thing but definitely not what i'm interested in

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 04:47:26 No.88140664 Report

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>>88139324
Honestly combining 2 and 3 would be neat. Fantasy WWII commandos in Mechs.

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 05:01:29 No.88140765 Report

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>>88139324
ran a diesel punk version of the cold war with lancer.
worked like a charm until one of the player's depression made it so we had to cancel permanently

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 05:07:45 No.88140810 Report

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We need more DMs on the server

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 06:09:41 No.88141118 Report

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>>88139324
None of those. Victorian/Belle Epoque or bust, fag.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 06:23:15 No.88141194 Report

Quoted By: >>88141262

>>88043744

are there any good 28mm miniature ranges or STLs that would be suitable for Lancer?

Doesn't have to be exact copies of each mech but things that get the dimensions and art style right?

We've run a couple oneshots and my group is set on playing it next, I'd love to print up/buy and paint some Mechs for us as well as other military assets on the right scale.

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 06:37:24 No.88141262 Report

Quoted By: >>88141283

>>88141194
Ayo dis robot is lesbian flag or smth.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 06:42:26 No.88141283 Report

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>>88141262
My dude, chicks dig giant robots. You KNOW this.

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 11:05:11 No.88142642 Report

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>>88138148

>Pnet bans joking about warcrimes, in a fucking mech game, they've made multiple announcements about it.
Ok and? They still haven't banned the Genghis Mech, which you would know if you were actually in the PNET discord. Oh wait, you're not, because you're a bitch who had to whine about "uhm why can't i make edgy jokes on le public discord server". Not every place is your own personal anonymous image board.

>Genghis is the mech of burning people to death, but that's a warcrime, so don't you ever so much as make light of the mech you're playing in the game, joke about it, or talk about it in any way without assuming the correct approved "tone" and "respect."
Point to me where they have done this? If they ban whiny bitches like you, then I honestly don't see the problem with it.

>They've even banned people for just talking about the actual themes and events that take place in lore because. Just scrolling through the ban logs on Pnet is hilarious.
Again, proofs.

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 13:23:20 No.88143518 Report

Quoted By: >>88143540

>>88113569
How's Foundry with hex grids?

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2023 13:25:54 No.88143540 Report

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>>88143518
fantastic

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>>88143544
>>88143544
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