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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 12:10:29 2015 No.43652407 View View Reply Original Report

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Sad thumb edition

>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kickass.to/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html

>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s).
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V5.pdf

FAQs
http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html

>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 12:11:19 No.43652415 Report

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First for sad thumb

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 12:26:36 No.43652492 Report

Quoted By: >>43652538 >>43652584 >>43653383 >>43654299

Mont'ka soon, Gue'la.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rapid-Insertion-Force

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Emperor%E2%80%99s-Shield-Infantry-Platoon

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 12:35:24 No.43652538 Report

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>>43652492

Sweet

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 12:42:54 No.43652584 Report

Quoted By: >>43653702

>>43652492

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 12:46:46 No.43652605 Report

Quoted By: >>43652667 >>43652764 >>43652787 >>43652863 >>43653492 >>43653722 >>43653778 >>43653919

So I just realized something as I fielded Heldrakes in my army: why are those of us who are complaining about how weak Chaos is, not fielding Heldrakes? Go field as many Heldrakes as possible!

Unification !cMwK9vCeMQ Sun 15 Nov 2015 12:58:21 No.43652667 Report

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>>43652605
Heldrakes aren't god-tier anymore.
Plus SOME people don't like that you have to spam one unit to keep an army afloat

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:13:03 No.43652751 Report

Quoted By: >>43652802

IMO all it would take to make the orkanauts viable is pic related and making them superheavys. having a melee one and a dakka one would make so much more sense, orks don't do jack of all trades well and thats how it feels the nauts are built like... im not asking for much :(

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:16:06 No.43652764 Report

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>>43652605
Yes.. Yes... More heldrakes

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:19:19 No.43652787 Report

Quoted By: >>43652913

>>43652605
One strong unit does not a strong codex make.

Chaos players would rather have a variety of decently strong stuff to choose from than having just 1 really strong unit they then have to spam.

One day, they might get that wish.

who am I kidding of course they won't, jobber Chaos gotta job

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:22:34 No.43652802 Report

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>>43652751
The weird thing is they're clearly intended to be something akin to an Imperial Knight (only shitter and cheaper because Orks), they even had an Orkanaught v Imperial Knight battle in the WD in which the Orkanaughts were released.

I can't remember too accurately, but I'm pretty sure the Orkanaughts got their asses handed to them.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:35:44 No.43652863 Report

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>>43652605
Someone doesn't like Heldrakes.

Players shouldn't be forced to buy minis they don't want just because that's the only almost good unit they have.

Also, they are not that good anymore, and they are extremely predictable (being the only good thing in the codex), so enemy players will counter it hard.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:37:42 No.43652873 Report

Quoted By: >>43652891

Has the imperium ever used skimmer tanks?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:40:30 No.43652891 Report

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>>43652873
In the past, yes.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:43:49 No.43652913 Report

Quoted By: >>43652943 >>43653085 >>43653113 >>43653923 >>43653935

>>43652787
The rumours indicate that Chaos will be getting a complete overhaul and will probably be made strong as fuck.

That and every single update post Necrons has been strong as fuck.

Yes despite all this you keep up the "Chaos a always shit hurr" thing even though you are probably going to get a badass update.

I dunno man, I'm starting to think that if Chaos get a good update loads of people will drop the faction since they can't whinge anymore.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:49:17 No.43652943 Report

Quoted By: >>43652990 >>43660437

>>43652913
CSM players don't want to be OP at all cost.
They want to have fluffy options and some solid choices.

CSM players won't be satisfied by being the stronger race in the game if they still don't have access to things like Legion differentiation, a good amount of choices and good units to choose from.
You know, like any other faction.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:54:52 No.43652990 Report

Quoted By: >>43653039

>>43652943
Dude if everything is really strong then it's piss easy to field fluffy armies.

I agree with you on the legion stuff.

And no, at this point I would say that CSM players would be perfectly happy with being able to field an army that isnt just shot off the board in a couple of turns. Everything else is secondary at that point.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 13:56:32 No.43653003 Report

Quoted By: >>43653090 >>43653376

reposting from last thread

so with brotherhood of psykers/zoanthrope broods, are there units that have both mastery and BoP?
my friend has a squad of 3 zoanthropes, and he says a squad ( of one) has a mastery level of two, and adding additional zoans increases it's mastery level. so is BoP a sum total of the individual units mastery levels or is it a flat amount for a squad regardless of model count?

signed,
a concerned warp blast target

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:00:10 No.43653034 Report

Quoted By:

What is the general consensus about using forge-world rules for "normal stuff" e.g. Leman Russ Annihilator - twin linked lascannon turret.

Would most people be ok with this? Want to test the water before I buy all the bits.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:01:29 No.43653039 Report

Quoted By: >>43653084 >>43653839 >>43653970

>>43652990
People choose Chaos for the lore.

It just feel terrible to read and love a Legion like Night Lords or Iron Warriors but being just a different colour scheme on the field.
Or playing a Cult Legion like Death Guard, forcning yourself to play with only one mark, and feeling that is only a self inflicted punishment while other faction have tactics and detachment to express that (like Space Marines) or very thematic formations (like Eldar) to support your preference.

CSM will always feel like a race GW doesn't care if they threat it like nothing they care about doesn't matter.
There are other weak factions, like Orks and Dark Eldars, but those just feel weak. Like they just need an update to the codex and that's it.

CSM just feel wrong.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:06:38 No.43653084 Report

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>>43653039
given how the major focus of 40k is just imperium vs chaos and everyone else is kind of a side show, this is a bit of a shit go on GW's part

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:06:50 No.43653085 Report

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>>43652913
Jokes on you, I don't even play Chaos!

Ahahahahahaha

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:07:24 No.43653090 Report

Quoted By: >>43653111

>>43653003
Brotherhood of psykers have a preset mastery level, usually 1, zoanthropes have 2 though; no unit increase their mastery level depending on number of members, maybe just pink horrors but I don't remember exactly, sure as hell zoanthropes, as other normal BoPs, don't.

Increasing the number of zoanthropes in a brood only increases the number of total warp blast shots cast by the unit each time the power passes: 1 warp blast for every zoanthrope.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:09:24 No.43653111 Report

Quoted By: >>43653120 >>43653135

>>43653090
ahh, thankyou. one last question- after manifesting warp blast, the zoanthrope still has to fire with it's BS to hit, right?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:09:31 No.43653113 Report

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>>43652913
>The rumours indicate that Chaos will be getting a complete overhaul

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:10:14 No.43653120 Report

Quoted By:

>>43653111
I assume it's a witchfire power so yes.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:12:07 No.43653135 Report

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>>43653111
Yes, it's a witchfire after all.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:14:32 No.43653155 Report

Quoted By: >>43653197 >>43654041

Looking at starting a heavily fluffy Nurgle CSM army. Not wanting to pull anything cheesy or bend rules and stuff, and certainly not that obsessed with winning.

I've been pissing around with a list on Battlescribe and it's unfinished, was hoping someone could tell me what to do, what not to do with it

+++ Nurgle (1483pts) +++

+ HQ (405pts) +

Chaos Lord (140pts) [Burning Brand of Skalanthrax (30pts), Mark of Nurgle (15pts), Power Armour, Sigil of corruption (25pts), Veterans of the Long War (5pts), Warlord]

Daemon Prince (265pts) [Nurgle (15pts), Power Armour (20pts), The Black Mace (45pts), Wings (40pts)]

+ Troops (850pts) +

Plague Marines (270pts) [Chaos Rhino (35pts), 2x Flamer (10pts), 7x Plague Marine (168pts), Veteran of the long war (8pts)] (this one hangs about with the Chaos Lord, hence flamers)

Plague Marines (290pts) [Chaos Rhino (35pts), 7x Plague Marine (168pts), 2x Plasma Gun (30pts), Veteran of the long war (8pts)]

Plague Marines (290pts) [Chaos Rhino (35pts), 7x Plague Marine (168pts), 2x Plasma Gun (30pts), Veteran of the long war (8pts)]

+ Heavy Support (228pts) +

Obliterators (228pts) [Mark of Nurgle (18pts), 3x Obliterator (210pts)]

Sorry about the formatting, and don't forget it's a serious work in progress and unfinished! Cheers /tg/

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:19:57 No.43653197 Report

Quoted By: >>43653580

>>43653155
forgot something

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:31:27 No.43653275 Report

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Whoever did the op has an old version of the reference sheet. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/blog/597998.page

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:37:03 No.43653304 Report

Quoted By: >>43654360

>>43652407

Remember the days when T5 Obliterators were the worst thing people had to worry about in 40k?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:45:14 No.43653352 Report

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>>43648452
>Protip Zoanthrope aren't good, don't take 3

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:49:49 No.43653376 Report

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>>43653003

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 14:50:46 No.43653383 Report

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>>43652492

Where were all of you when Imperium was kill?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:09:22 No.43653492 Report

Quoted By: >>43653671 >>43654105 >>43655538

>>43652605
same with the Land Raider. They all say how crappy the LR is... it is the worst unit ever, it cost so many points, it is sooooooo shitty, the Loyalists have SOOOO much better LRs like some effing magnitudes of better and Chaos has a bad Dex and thus everything is shitty and never field a LR...
But it still has the best armour values, it has fucking twin linked Lascannons and the enemy has to DEAL with it somehow - while being zoomed by a Heldrake and scattered by Havocs.
These players expect CSM to be Space Marine comparable but they aren't.
I will also field many, many CSM as troops and guess what: mimimi they are sooo expensive and they are shitty and they have no ATSKNF and the close combat weapon costs whopping 2 points and mimimi

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:20:44 No.43653580 Report

Quoted By: >>43653739

>>43653197
Is that still legal?
It wasn't present in the last Apocalypse book.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:30:22 No.43653671 Report

Quoted By: >>43653774 >>43653796 >>43655865 >>43659511

>>43653492
>Has to deal with it somehow

Yeah, by drop pod assaulting grav centurions/devastators next to it and shooting it off the board turn one.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:33:44 No.43653702 Report

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>>43652584
>not posting better version

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:36:27 No.43653722 Report

Quoted By:

>>43652605
My opponent mopes when I use Heldrakes.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:37:49 No.43653739 Report

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>>43653580
i think it's in valedor or the other apoc type book. it does bring up a point since there's a few superheavies that never got updated like the silver tower of tzeentch

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:42:40 No.43653774 Report

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>>43653671

If there's anything worse than the whiny chaos players, its the deluded ones

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:43:01 No.43653778 Report

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>>43652605
Heldrakes just aren't that great. They're good, but not nearly enough to carry the book, nor good enough (to my mind) to justify filling Fast Attack with them. Anything with Skyfire will pop them fast, not to mention that if they jink they can't shoot usefully.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:44:57 No.43653796 Report

Quoted By: >>43653824

>>43653671
What a horrible way of dealing with a bloody land raider.

Just drop pod sternguard if you want anti tank on demand.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:48:46 No.43653824 Report

Quoted By:

>>43653796
The point is that it's unlikely that Land Raider's gonna live to see turn two.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:50:27 No.43653839 Report

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>>43653039
Now is your chance! 30k is the best representation of the legions you could hope for! Night Lords are very well represented! Chocolate bunnies everywhere! Purge them!

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 15:59:47 No.43653919 Report

Quoted By: >>43654038 >>43654124

>>43652605
The model looks god awful. Looks like a fucking transformer toy. And FW has some better shit with better rules and better models anyway.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:00:48 No.43653923 Report

Quoted By: >>43653995 >>43654028 >>43654038 >>43654261

>>43652913
>The rumours indicate that Chaos will be getting a complete overhaul
>and will probably be made strong as fuck.
I don't know which of these claims is funnier. Chaos is Daemonkin now. Best the core book can hope for is a quick update with some formations and an FOC

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:02:26 No.43653935 Report

Quoted By: >>43654066 >>43655247

>>43652913
>That and every single update post Necrons has been strong as fuck.
Khorne Daemonkin were post Necrons and they suck balls and none of the skub-tier units were updated. Infact, no units at all were updated apart from new Bloodthirster variants.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:06:06 No.43653970 Report

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>>43653039
>Or playing a Cult Legion like Death Guard, forcning yourself to play with only one mark
desu, barring Khorne cult, lists can be fairly strong.

and if you want to be fluffy with a legion list than modelling marks on units becomes tricky

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:07:48 No.43653984 Report

Quoted By: >>43654112 >>43654195

I love me a mechanised army. Thoughts?

Imperial Guard 1000 points

(Warlord) Commissar Yarrick (145 points

Veterans (120 points)
- (X3) Plasma gun
- Carapace armour

Veterans (120 points)
- (X3) Plasma gun
- Carapace armour

Veterans (105 points)
- (X2) Meltagun
- Heavy Flamer
- Carapace armour

Veterans (105 points)
- (X2) Meltagun
- Heavy Flamer
- Carapace armour

(x4)
Chimera (65 points)
- Multilaser
- Heavy Flamer

Leman Russ Eradicator (145 points)
- Dozer blade
- Heavy Bolter sponsons

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:09:26 No.43653995 Report

Quoted By: >>43654028

>>43653923
>Chaos is Daemonkin now
Since when, a shitty cash-grab?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:15:47 No.43654028 Report

Quoted By: >>43654244

>>43653995
>>43653923
More likely that Daemonkin was a way to give rules for new 'Thirsters, and test-play what they're thinking about doing with the new chaos codices when they come out.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:16:59 No.43654038 Report

Quoted By: >>43654212

>>43653923
>chaos is daemonkind

get this loyalist out of here

>>43653919
aren't they based on some ancient myth? ziz as the heldrake, leviathan as maulerfiend, and the forgefiend as behemoth

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:17:34 No.43654041 Report

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>>43653155
Anyone to help Papa Nurgle?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:21:12 No.43654066 Report

Quoted By: >>43654244

>>43653935
Khorne Daemonkin are fine, they didn't get updated units, but the formations are solid. Khorne Daemonkin was winning more than Tau before their 7th, if that provides any context.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:23:14 No.43654079 Report

Quoted By: >>43654117 >>43657491

That fucking glorious feel...

>Suffer Not the Unclean to Live
>Uphold the Honour of the Emperor
>Abhor the Witch. Destroy the Witch
>Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:27:09 No.43654105 Report

Quoted By: >>43654148

>>43653492
>Assaulting
>With CSM

for what purpose

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:27:55 No.43654112 Report

Quoted By: >>43656472

>>43653984
I'd drop all the crap-ass armor and exchange yarrick for a tank commander. d3 rerollable chance of getting the outflanking trait is bretty gud.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:29:16 No.43654117 Report

Quoted By: >>43654129

>>43654079

>that feel when I have to put up with your chinga ass crying about the fact that BT don't have their own codex in this thread very soon

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:30:27 No.43654124 Report

Quoted By:

>>43653919
the heldrake is cool as shit, but it would have been much better with a tail.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:31:28 No.43654129 Report

Quoted By:

>>43654117

I'll settle for chapter tactics... for now.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:33:01 No.43654148 Report

Quoted By: >>43654629

>>43654105
i just... what? chaos does better at assault then shooting or psychic powers

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:38:33 No.43654195 Report

Quoted By: >>43654222 >>43654324

>>43653984
The the armour on the melta squads.
Only two special weapons per chimera.
If you're going to use an eradicator give it a stubber and heavy bolter sponsons.
Maybe use the spare points for a divination psyker.

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Unification !cMwK9vCeMQ Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:40:41 No.43654212 Report

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>>43654038
>aren't they based on some ancient myth? ziz as the heldrake, leviathan as maulerfiend, and the forgefiend as behemothot quite...

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:42:18 No.43654222 Report

Quoted By: >>43654324

>>43654195
*drop the armour the on melta squad
Maybe just use a normal commissar.
If you want to expand on that Bullgryns for their cover bonus, camo on the vehicles and a tank commander in a melt-down tank.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:44:52 No.43654244 Report

Quoted By:

>>43654028
>More likely that Daemonkin was a way to give rules for new 'Thirsters
WD published rules for the new Thirsters that can be used as part of the Daemon codex

>>43654066
>but the Gorepack is solid.
FIFY

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:47:09 No.43654261 Report

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>>43653923
>Chaos is daemonkin now

Literally who the fuck believes this?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:50:26 No.43654299 Report

Quoted By: >>43654308

>>43652492
>Tau: Here have this awesome formation that probably gets free markerlight hits and uses three of the best units in your codex
>IG: Here have an infantry platoon with sentinels

All smiles

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:51:38 No.43654308 Report

Quoted By: >>43654329

>>43654299
Imagine if the other half of Mont'ka was a Tau styled update to Imperial Guard.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:53:17 No.43654324 Report

Quoted By: >>43654389

>>43654195

No, vets can have 3 special if they don't take the HF
And the commissar can't be the mandatory HQ, and don't synergise with the vets, while Yarrick can give orders and is nearly decent in assault.

>>43654222
Fuck no, bullgryns won't give that much cover, and are way to much overpriced.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:53:44 No.43654329 Report

Quoted By: >>43654391

>>43654308
That'd be swell.
It's not going to happen though

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 16:57:50 No.43654360 Report

Quoted By: >>43654380

>>43653304
No, I remember when an unkillable Baharroth would get into combat with one side of my battleline and then consolidate into each of my units, gaining attacks as they went though.

It was sad times.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:00:02 No.43654379 Report

Quoted By: >>43654396 >>43659808

Heh heh heh

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:00:10 No.43654380 Report

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>>43654360
Baharroth was good once?

He's the only Phoenix Lord I wouldn't ever consider taking even in a fluffy game.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:00:34 No.43654389 Report

Quoted By: >>43654428

>>43654324
Just go with a tank commander for your hq. A vet squad with yarrick will get rekt by anything remotely tailored for cc, unlike a 40+ man platoon with priest(s) which is where he wants to be.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:00:59 No.43654391 Report

Quoted By: >>43654419 >>43654451

>>43654329
How come? I'm not aware of GW's plans but wouldn't it be possible that they intend to update the IG codex?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:01:18 No.43654396 Report

Quoted By: >>43654402 >>43654578

>>43654379

That's a big eye.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:02:03 No.43654402 Report

Quoted By: >>43654407

>>43654396
If I took it off, would he die?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:03:39 No.43654407 Report

Quoted By: >>43654700

>>43654402

It would be extremely painful...

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:05:06 No.43654419 Report

Quoted By: >>43654477 >>43654740

>>43654391
They are going to update the IG codex. Its going to have some new art. Thats it.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:05:39 No.43654428 Report

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>>43654389

I'm not the one who posted the list, i wasn't saying yarrick was better than a tank commander in this list, just that putting a simple commissar would be even more worthless. Of course you should nearly always avoid CC with vets.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:07:57 No.43654451 Report

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>>43654391
Why would they change any existing rules? For what purpose?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:11:27 No.43654477 Report

Quoted By: >>43654560

>>43654419
i guess gw is either getting lazy or they're feeling the books are decent enough but their actual changes belong to formations

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:20:34 No.43654560 Report

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>>43654477
>or they're feeling the books are decent enough
You wish, they are going to re-print the Tyranids with the Leviathan Detachment and the already existing formations, I feel it in me bones...

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:22:40 No.43654578 Report

Quoted By:

>>43654396
For you

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:28:47 No.43654629 Report

Quoted By: >>43655246

>>43654148
No, I mean why would you assault with base CSM? Even if you kit them out for melee with MoK, Icon of Wrath, etc, they're less effective berserkers, and berserkers aren't all that great either.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:36:35 No.43654700 Report

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>>43654407
4 u

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:41:22 No.43654740 Report

Quoted By: >>43654753 >>43654754

>>43654419

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:42:48 No.43654753 Report

Quoted By: >>43654891

>>43654740
formations in a new book, plastic enginseer

it's enough to start getting worried

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:42:52 No.43654754 Report

Quoted By: >>43654910

>>43654740
He said they were going to update it, he never said when. Obviously they are going to update it at some point.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 17:58:26 No.43654891 Report

Quoted By: >>43654924 >>43655038

>>43654753
Tbh. IG don't need massive changes.

But, until it happens, calm your tits.

IG do need formations, this is a fact. Do they need a massive change? I don't think so. Only things needing a change in my eyes are Penal Platoons.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:00:31 No.43654910 Report

Quoted By:

>>43654754
REEEE SEMANTICS YOU KNOW WHAT HE MEANT REEEEEE

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:01:41 No.43654924 Report

Quoted By: >>43654968

>>43654891

They need auto-pass orders in some formations or something, give it a meme name that you meme loving fucks enjoy like 'Tactical Genius' formation' or something.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:06:10 No.43654968 Report

Quoted By:

>>43654924
Nah it'll be something like "The Emperor's Hindsight" or something.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:10:36 No.43655010 Report

Quoted By: >>43655061 >>43655093

Any Tau players know if the Forgeworld battlesuits or drones are any good?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:12:43 No.43655028 Report

Quoted By: >>43655055

>I have no sentinels to take advantage of that dank new formation that we don't know what it does yet.
>Those vulnerable as fuck heavy weapon squads.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:13:49 No.43655038 Report

Quoted By: >>43655082 >>43656439

>>43654891
Ig needs better stats for their tanks. The weapons are fine but russes die so quickly. You get a shot off or two with your MBC and then get wrecked by the massive amount of Ignore cover, reduce armour, and shooting at rear fuckery that exists. Making them MCs would balance them

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:15:00 No.43655055 Report

Quoted By: >>43655082 >>43655624

>>43655028

>play IG
>don't have any sentinels

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:15:28 No.43655061 Report

Quoted By: >>43655126

>>43655010

Remora is the best Tau flyer available right now.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:17:32 No.43655082 Report

Quoted By: >>43655104 >>43655116 >>43655666

>>43655038
what about another hull point and additional rear armor? Maybe giving it an armor save.

>>43655055
I'm a piece of shit who runs 2 vendettas and a vulture.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:19:05 No.43655093 Report

Quoted By: >>43655126

>>43655010

Y'Vahra and R'varna are pretty cheese.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:19:51 No.43655104 Report

Quoted By: >>43655128

>>43655082
>a vulture.

do you at least use the too cool for school dual punisher setup?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:20:31 No.43655116 Report

Quoted By: >>43655128

>>43655082
I always thought russes should have more HP then all these skimmers flying around. They dont have to keep the weight down on a russ so their hull integrity should be stronger. Much like the landraider.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:21:20 No.43655126 Report

Quoted By: >>43655142

>>43655061
>>43655093

Worth the money in you guys opinions?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:21:39 No.43655128 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655104
you fuckin know it.

>>43655116
I agree, or at least give them an armor save, seeing as they're pretty well armored.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:22:40 No.43655142 Report

Quoted By: >>43655152

>>43655126
China man it.

Buddy got a very good cast of a Nirvana for something like $25 usd

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:24:41 No.43655152 Report

Quoted By: >>43655216

>>43655142

Based, Which is the better suit Y'Vahra or R'varna I only want one for my army

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:25:08 No.43655161 Report

Quoted By: >>43655188

Rule question: Can Assault Squads charge on the same turn as they disembark from a Drop Pod?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:28:02 No.43655188 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655161
no.

There's a formation to allow them to do it though.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:29:14 No.43655203 Report

Quoted By: >>43655384 >>43656219 >>43656849

1848 points

---HQ---

Farseer - 160 points
-Shard of Anaris
-Singing Spear
-Skyrunner Eldar Jetbike

Warlock Conclave - 50 points
-Skyrunner Eldar Jetbike

---Troops---

6 Windriders - 162 points
-Scatter Lasers

5 Windriders - 135 points
-Scatter Lasers

3 Windriders - 81 points
-Scatter Lasers

---Fast Attack---

Vyper Squadron - 50 points
-Two Shuriken Cannons

---Lords of War---

2x Wraithknights - 295 x 2 = 590 points
-Ghostglaives and Scattershields

2x Wraithknights - 310 x 2 = 620 points
-Scatter Lasers
This list is the most dangerous list having gone undefeated in tournaments. Today lets have some fun; lets figure out how to specifically beat this list. We try doing different factions everyday for the next few days. Mutli-CADs and Allied Detachments all allowed as long as they stay within the rules. Starting today with...Chaos Space Marines.

Now I know that Chaos Space Marines aren't all that powerful in this edition. But they have some cool things. How would the Slaaneshi Chaos Lord + Slaaneshi Chaos Bikes fair against the Eldar Jetbikes? How effective are sonic weapons on Jetbikes/Wraithknights? Yeah the Heldrakes were nerfed, but what about the cheaper point cost-wise but stronger Hell Talons? What about other Forge World stuff like the Dreadnoughts, heavy tanks, and artillery?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:30:07 No.43655207 Report

Quoted By: >>43656023

Got a Chapter Traits question;
For Red Scorpions, the only thing you get is Vet. Sergeants are now Apothecaries, right?
I couldn't find any other stuff for them on the web, does this stay the same if I wanted to run them in 7th edition?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:30:59 No.43655216 Report

Quoted By: >>43655352

>>43655152
Depends what do you want. The R'varna is slow but can fire 2-4 Large Blasts at high strength, the size of the models hit by them determine how many hits they take (MC for example take 3 hits form the blast)

Y'vahra is fast, but it has to get close to the enemy but it really fucks up vehicles

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:35:01 No.43655246 Report

Quoted By: >>43655282 >>43655669 >>43656024

>>43654629
>why would you assault with base CSM?

Because CSM are actually not bad at assaulting non-melee units and tying them up for a few turns, preventing them from moving away or shooting your more important things, and can still do this when called upon while also shooting reasonably well and holding an objective before this is necessary. They can also charge a unit, soak up the Overwatch, and then allow a better CC unit to charge them without having to worry about getting shot to pieces.

They're a multi-role trooper that does okay at everything, but doesn't excel at anything, which is why they "suck" according to the internet.

>berserkers aren't all that great either.

They're pretty damned good assault troops. The problem is getting them from Point A to Point B.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:35:13 No.43655247 Report

Quoted By:

>>43653935
>Infact, no units at all were updated apart from new Bloodthirster variants.
GW kind of wanted you to buy the new Bloodthirster models.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:35:28 No.43655251 Report

Quoted By: >>43655318 >>43655464 >>43655545 >>43655652 >>43655745

This is my meta of current active players

>Slaanesh Demons / Ad-Mech
>Dark Eldar
>Militarum Tempestus / Guard
>Dark Angels
>Tyranids
>Necrons
>Grey Knight
>Khorne Daemonkin / Raven Guard
>Raven Guard
>Iron Hands
>Nids / Dark Eldar (Never Show Up though)

Prettygud

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:38:29 No.43655282 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655246
>They're pretty damned good assault troops. The problem is getting them from Point A to Point B
Why not use a metal box to shove the bezerkers in while blobs of cultists protect the metal box?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:42:20 No.43655318 Report

Quoted By: >>43655345

>>43655251
My meta consists of

>Space Wolves
>Orks x3
>Dark Angels
>Iron Hands/Eldar
>Tau empire x3
>Ultramarines
>Dark Eldar

It's funny because no one in my meta plays Necrons or Tyranids.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:45:25 No.43655345 Report

Quoted By: >>43655383

>>43655318
>No Nids
The Tau players scared them off most likely. No need for the Hive Mind to fool around with Ghostkeels, and Stormsurges. Still don't know how the Ghostkeel jams iron sights and daemons' thermal vision for souls.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:45:30 No.43655346 Report

Quoted By:

Hey guys I play Space Wolves and Orks ( there on hold for the mean time) and I've been looking at the Skitarii/Cult mechanicus, how do they differ from each other in play style?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:46:24 No.43655352 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655216

Cheers mane

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:47:09 No.43655363 Report

Quoted By:

So what do you think of the formations in Kauyon ?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:48:20 No.43655383 Report

Quoted By: >>43655510

>>43655345
Haha probably but I think nobody plays them because they are on the slightly expensive side, plus the tau and Eldar/ork players are fucking killing each other for the past week now.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:48:24 No.43655384 Report

Quoted By: >>43655392 >>43655467

>>43655203
>2 LoW
>legal
u wot m80

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:49:57 No.43655392 Report

Quoted By: >>43655438

>>43655384
>Doesn't know you can field multiple WKs due to retarded rules
Nigga what are you doing?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:51:18 No.43655405 Report

Quoted By: >>43655452

Could anyone recommend an army with:

>Durability
>Artillery
>Less than 50 models at 1000 pts
>Mostly shooty
>Not extremely transport reliant (I dont want 6 rhinos)

So far I am looking at Necrons and Ultramarines.

Spacewolves look cool but I am not sure how reliant they are on transport.

Tau look fun but seem pretty unpopular for matches.

The mechanicus and skitarri or whatever look amazing but I hear books like them are only supported for an edition or too.

Which army fits ~75% of my request? What is the best way to start that army?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:53:47 No.43655438 Report

Quoted By: >>43655467

>>43655392
>not mentioning you were using that detachment type

i mean, i should have guessed, i just don't play against eldar, because they dont exist in my meta.

fucking space elves man

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:55:04 No.43655452 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655405

Necrons or Iron Hands with Thunderfire cannons

Necrons you can run Warrior Blobs or 10 man squads in ghost arcs and basicly A-Move forward.

Iron Hands are SMs with 6+ FNP and Thunderfire cannons are 60 in str6 barrage 4 guns

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:55:57 No.43655464 Report

Quoted By: >>43655697 >>43656070

>>43655251

>no Tau
>no CW Eldar

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:56:11 No.43655467 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655384
>>43655438

Looks like Decurion w/ Scat Pack core and 2 WK aux

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 18:59:32 No.43655510 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655383
>Eldar and Tau mudering each other
Good.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:01:36 No.43655538 Report

Quoted By:

>>43653492

Did babby lose to csm? Or you actually play csm and win with LR and csm troops? You must be playing some sad sad meta dude

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:02:00 No.43655545 Report

Quoted By: >>43655701 >>43655745

>>43655251

My playgroup has:

Dark Angels (Ravenwing)
KDK Gorepack
Tyranids
Ultramarines
Necrons
Spacewolves

We are hoping to get our ork friend to start playing again too.

Last night I got to borrow some marine bikes and proxy an interrogator champion to play a 500 point game.

HQ
Interrogator-Chaplain (160pts)
Mace of Redemption, Space Marine Bike

Ravenwing Command Squad (120pts)
3x Black Knight

Fast Attack (220pts)

Ravenwing Bike Squad (105pts)
2x Meltagun
Ravenwing Sergeant
Combi-Melta

Ravenwing Bike Squad (115)
2x Grav Gun
Ravenwing Sergeant
Combi-Grav

TOTAL: 500

It went pretty well, I tabled 500 points of tyranids but got my butt kicked by Necrons.

Then we played Maelstrom a 1500 game and I brought the 500 pt list with the Ultramarines 1000 pt list against 1500 pts of Necrons and won by two Victory Points.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:08:47 No.43655624 Report

Quoted By: >>43656963

>>43655055
Don't talk like this, this is /tg/, not /pol/ or /v/ or /int/.

We might have fallen far since 2010, but this is still /tg/ and I demand we act like officers.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:10:48 No.43655652 Report

Quoted By: >>43656110

>>43655251
>no Blood Angels

Not having Tau or Eldar means nothing if BA, Nids and Ork players don't exist.

It still shows power level faggotry.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:11:28 No.43655666 Report

Quoted By: >>43656381

>>43655082
>Maybe giving it an armor save.
giving tanks saves would help a lot

I'm not sure why they didn't do add it in at the same time they gave them wound-points

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:11:44 No.43655669 Report

Quoted By: >>43656112

>>43655246
Every single online resource and chaos space marine player disagrees with you.

Even with the drop pod assault formation where they assault on deep strike, they still fucking suck.

And their is a reason nobody brings base CSM. It's because they suck. Plague marines get brought for their sturdiness, cultists are brought for their cheap cost. Nobody brings shit-tier CSM because the options blow, they're expensive, and they bring nothing that cant be accomplished by cultists or plague marines.
Also, to anyone who believes the new codex is going to be anything but another remarkably disappointing mess of reprinted text, you're fucking stupid.

I've seen plaid with less of a holding pattern then uninspired chaos codexes. Seriously, how many more times are we going to be suckered into another edition of daemon prince, plague marine, obliterator, and the fast attack choice of the edition(heldrake now, bikes last time).

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:12:10 No.43655675 Report

Quoted By: >>43655695

What would happen if Blood Angels became good on the TT?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:13:27 No.43655695 Report

Quoted By: >>43655870

>>43655675
they become FotM

The fast vindicators and troop assault marines were one of the better armies at the time.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:13:28 No.43655697 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655464
Minus the decurion necron and we might have a game worth playing!

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:14:03 No.43655701 Report

Quoted By: >>43655924

>>43655545

>Tfw Space Marines, Elder, Chaos and Tau are muscling everyone else out of the game in my local scene

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:18:01 No.43655745 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655251
>>43655545
>no eldars
>no tau
Boring ppls.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:29:06 No.43655865 Report

Quoted By: >>43657966

>>43653671
well, good that Eldar on Bikes with a witch don't have Grav Centurions in drop pods

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:29:34 No.43655870 Report

Quoted By: >>43655927

>>43655695
>FotM
Faction of the month?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:33:20 No.43655924 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655701
>Chaos
So literally anyone can go and win? Great.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:33:40 No.43655927 Report

Quoted By: >>43656067

>>43655870
flavour

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:41:08 No.43656023 Report

Quoted By: >>43656097

>>43655207
Tactical squad sergeants are the only ones who can be an apothecary, if that's what you are asking.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:41:08 No.43656024 Report

Quoted By: >>43656091

>>43655246
>Inquisitors report 271-A. Berserkers spotted in this so called "Daemonkind" resurgence have been known to run with their arms behind their back. It is currently unknown why they do this but I believe that it is either due to an influence by orks to run faster or homage to an ancient god Sanic Hejjihoggu. It is also believed that other chaos marines see this as "uncool" but unlikely that other chaos members would call them on this as the individual berserker would react rather badly.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:43:36 No.43656063 Report

Quoted By: >>43656455

Are the "new" Tau codex floating around anywhere?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:43:51 No.43656067 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655927
I was close.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:44:06 No.43656070 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655464

>Ignores that quarter of the place is Marines

So only your top army is allowed?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:45:47 No.43656091 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656024
My sides, Anon.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:46:14 No.43656097 Report

Quoted By: >>43656131

>>43656023
piggybacking off of that one, I'm also thinking of going Red Scorpions: do I give the tactical squads meltas/combi-meltas or plasmas/combi-plasmas? Assuming they'll either be footslogging or using rhinos because I fucking hate drop pod spam.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:47:31 No.43656110 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655652
There are multiple DE players there.

Just because it doesn't have the three absolute shit tier factions doesn't mean it's competitive you sperg.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:47:31 No.43656112 Report

Quoted By: >>43656283 >>43656335

>>43655669
>Every single online resource and chaos space marine player disagrees with you

No they don't. While they're by no means a great choice, they're not absolute garbage. It's absolutely true that Cult troops are better for specific roles (and Noise Marines > Plague Marines at least 3/4 of the time) and Cultists are cheap, Marines are more flexible than Cultists at taking on MEQ, especially since, unlike loyalists, they can get a CCW for dirt cheap and marks/icons can make even a basic squad quite effective in combat.

That said, I run Noise Marines as troops, but I have had not-shitty results with Marines themselves. They're okay, they're just not miracle workers by any definition, and good at presenting enough of a credible threat to most targets to merit having fire focused on them instead of more valuable targets, and those who ignore them for the more valuable targets can find them to still pack more of a punch than they expect them to.

They could really, really use a buff, and most Cult choices are better (Cultists are only better if you're simply trying to fill out the troop requirements, as they get deleted pretty goddamn fast by anything with a blast template) but they are still usable if you don't expect miracles from them.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:49:11 No.43656131 Report

Quoted By: >>43656281

>>43656097
It depends. What do you want to counter? What's prevalent in your meta?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:52:13 No.43656169 Report

Quoted By: >>43656185 >>43656238 >>43656257 >>43656325

Has anyone ever found an artefact or a piece of technology made by the Old Ones?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:53:40 No.43656185 Report

Quoted By: >>43656214 >>43656257

>>43656169
Yeah, I did. But I moved and I don't know where it is anymore. :/

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:55:53 No.43656214 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656185

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:56:07 No.43656219 Report

Quoted By: >>43656311

>>43655203
Well, how would this work against the Scatbike host + Wraith Constructs cheese list?

1850 points

---HQ---

Daemon Prince - 340 points
-Daemon of Nurgle
-Psyker Mastery Level 3
-The Black Mace
-Wings
-Power Armor

---Troops---

13 Chaos Cultists with 1 Cultist Champion - 66 points

12 Chaos Cultists with 1 Cultist Champion - 62 points

---Fast Attack---

3x Hell Talons - 190 x 3 = 570 points
-Helstorm Autocannon
-Warp-Pulse Bombs

---Elites---

Mutilator - 61 points
-Mark of Nurgle

Mutilator - 61 points
-Mark of Nurgle

---Heavy Support---

3x Chaos Fire Raptor Gunships - 230 x 3 = 690 points
-Reaper Autocannon Batteries
-Armoured Ceramite
So what I realized is that the Eldar cheese lacks true anti-air. So we got ourselves a flying Daemon Prince for an HQ, bombers for fast attack, and gunships for heavy support. The Mutilators are there because the only way to really hit the scatbikes hard is something that surprises, so in other words deep-striked units. Scatbikes are still made of paper ultimately, and if powerful melee like the Mutilators are deep-striked it may be able to do enough Scatbike damage so the flying units will hopefully be done with Wraithknights and eventually help out with Scatbikes. Cultists there cuz mandatory troop choices and they still make for great meat shields.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:57:18 No.43656238 Report

Quoted By: >>43656284 >>43656325

>>43656169
Imperium and Eldar have. Blackstone Fortresses.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:58:12 No.43656257 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656169
>>43656185
Also maybe Farsight's sword. But people have like... opinions about that and shit.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 19:59:47 No.43656281 Report

Quoted By: >>43656296

>>43656131
I'm gonna be allying with my Grey Knights so I guess what my army needs is AP2 and AP1. Dreadknights pretty much handle anything with a 4+ save, and all the force weapons help with MEQ. But I'm not sure whether melta is a good idea since I won't be unloading out of drop pods right next to tanks...

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:00:09 No.43656283 Report

Quoted By: >>43656520

>>43656112
I can't find any online resource to back your claim that nilla marines in the chaos dex are anything other than a pointsink.
Sure the cultists aren't going to be battering down the door of a MEQ squad, but you've got 100+ points to throw around in comparison to the cost of the ten man tac squad. An obliterator would do nicely in removing the tacs once they get through the cultist speedbump. Whereas nillas would just get ground into the dust. Look at it from a point per point perspective, yes they are a point or so cheaper and can trade the bolter for CC or buy one to be equivalent, but they still lack the formations loyalist marines have(Which makes them worth taking, free transports go a long way), they lack any form of synergy or buffing from allies, and lastly, most importantly, one bad combat and they're all dead.

If a flyrant crashlands into a tac squad, they have good odds of holding it down indefinitely or bailing and shooting it. If it charges a nilla squad, they're fucking toast.

Noizboiz are super fun though. 3/4 of the time though? Nah bruh. Five man objective holders with double specials is where it's at. Don't use the entire drawer of ignore cover guns with i5 when you can have five smelly assholes cover it.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:00:11 No.43656284 Report

Quoted By: >>43656312

>>43656238
>>43656238

I thought those were of Necron origin.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:01:06 No.43656296 Report

Quoted By: >>43656495

>>43656281
What do you have against drop pods?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:02:20 No.43656311 Report

Quoted By: >>43656375

>>43656219
I think the mutilator strategy will be hard to pull off. The bikes will just move, shoot you, move again before your next turn comes around for you to charge.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:02:20 No.43656312 Report

Quoted By: >>43656327

>>43656284
Old Ones. They were anti-C'tan weapons, but most are destroyed and or in Abaddon's motor pull.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:03:19 No.43656325 Report

Quoted By: >>43656703

>>43656238
Blackstone Fortresses are of Eldar origin, at least in legend.

It's stated that Vaul created them as weapons against the Ctan, specifically the Void Dragon.

>>43656169
Trazyn staff is rumored to contain reverse engineered Old Ones technology.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:03:44 No.43656327 Report

Quoted By: >>43656349 >>43656372 >>43656375 >>43656482

>>43656312

Does FailAddon even know how it works?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:04:24 No.43656335 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656112
Cultists are cheap, but for a same price a squad of guardsmen can do better, and the support guardsmen have access to is a lot better and cheaper than what cultists can get. Guard also have access to transports, as where cultists either have to hijack a rhino or else buy a heavy support landraider (why would anyone do this?). Cultists have potential to do a lot, but it is very hard to harness that potential, so their only real reliable use is a cheap scoring unit.

Berserkers are way overpriced for what they do.

Noise marines are good sometimes if you need access to both FNP and Fearless, or if you want the Slaaneshi weapons.

Plague Marines are as you say, often worse than Noise Marines

Thousand Sons are the sort weird one as they've always been.

Regular CSM are kind of mediocre unless you start giving them upgrades. Then they can get as expensive as the Cult Troops.

Possessed and Chosen are underrated I think, but that is still a ton of points for a single wound MEQ. Both of them are kind of glass cannon-y and usually get taken out really fast because the enemy knows they are expensive. If their only use is as a speedbump, there are cheaper, faster, and more durable speedbumps in the form of Chaos Spawn.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:05:08 No.43656349 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656327
>FailAddon

DELETE THIS!

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:06:58 No.43656372 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656327
He's used one before, and probably used parts of the destroyed ones for Planet Killer.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:07:16 No.43656375 Report

Quoted By: >>43656482

>>43656311
Well, that's where the chaos cultists hopefully do there job as meatshield charging their enemy. Will still probably be tough to pull off though this is where math-hammer ends and real in game tactics begin.

>>43656327
He's been retconned to not be a failure anymore guys. I know, he's still my least favorite Sons of Horus/Black Legion and Mournival character, but he ain't technically Failbaddon anymore.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:07:37 No.43656381 Report

Quoted By: >>43656428 >>43656463

>>43655666
>all vehicles get a 4+ armour save against weapons that are not ap 1 or 2
Will this fix people taking weapons to glace stuff to death or just make missile launcher even more useless?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:10:19 No.43656428 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656381
wouldn't just increasing hull points weaken glancing, and encourage use of penetrating?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:10:57 No.43656439 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655038
you apparently dont play Orks very often, your tanks are fine

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:12:08 No.43656455 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656063
Yes.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:12:46 No.43656463 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656381
I'd probably just remove hull-points. I don't really understand why it was necesary.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:13:41 No.43656472 Report

Quoted By:

>>43654112
But the strategic table in the rulebook gives 3 units outflank instead of d3..

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:14:27 No.43656482 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656375
>He's been retconned to not be a failure anymore guys

There was never a retcon, polly. People just didn't know how to read and thought that the crusades were about taking Cadia/Terra which was never true in old or new fluff.

>>43656327
He used them to destroy planets and a star.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:15:46 No.43656495 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656296
I don't know. I just don't want to end up like the other SM player at my store who has had to buy, build, and paint 6 of them for his army. I just don't find spam/redundancy appealing. Same reason I'm waiting for a codex update on Dark Eldar because I don't want to buy/build/paint 6+ Venoms. I'd prefer to footslog marines but people keep telling me that's instant death even if they're in 10-man squads, and hey at least I have two rhinos from a long time ago.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:17:01 No.43656514 Report

Quoted By:

No rhinos, so chimeras it is....

+++ Templars + Guard (800pts) +++

++ Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) (420pts) ++

+ (No Category) +

Chapter Tactics * [Black Templars]

+ HQ (140pts) +

The Emperor's Champion (140pts)

+ Troops (217pts) +

Crusader Squad (128pts)
····Initiate [Chainsword]
····Initiate [Chainsword]
····Initiate [Chainsword]
····Initiate [Chainsword]
····Initiate [Chainsword]
····Initiate with Special Weapon [Boltgun, Flamer]
····Sword Brother [Bolt Pistol, Power Axe]

Crusader Squad (89pts)
····Initiate [Chainsword]
····Initiate [Chainsword]
····Initiate [Chainsword]
····Initiate [Chainsword]
····Initiate [Chainsword]
····Initiate with Special Weapon [Boltgun, Flamer]

+ Fast Attack (63pts) +

Bike Squad (63pts)
····Biker Sergeant [Bolt Pistol]
····Space Marine Biker [Bolt Pistol]
····Space Marine Biker [Bolt Pistol]

++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Allied Detachment) (380pts) ++

+ HQ (75pts) +

Company Command Squad (75pts) [Flak Armour, Veteran w/ Lasgun]
····Company Commander [Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Laspistol, Orders]
····Veteran Autocannon Team [Lasgun]
····Veteran w/ Vox-caster [Lasgun]

+ Troops (305pts) +

Infantry Platoon (305pts)
····Infantry Squad [Autocannon Team, 5x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Grenade Launcher, Guardsman w/ Vox-caster]
········Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
········Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]
····Infantry Squad [Autocannon Team, 6x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Grenade Launcher]
········Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser]
········Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]
····Platoon Command Squad [4x Guardsman w/ Lasgun]
········Platoon Commander [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol, Orders]

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:17:46 No.43656520 Report

Quoted By: >>43656982

>>43656283
>I can't find any online resource to back your claim that nilla marines in the chaos dex are anything other than a pointsink

That is because the internet takes memes to the extreme. If something isn't really good, it's "absolute garbage," and most lists are tailored around a very specific threat and/or a very specific strategy, and bring appropriate forces to match them (I personally spam Noise Marines, because 4 6-man squads with a Blastmaster and Doom Siren each is fucking brutal to goddamn anything under AV13), therefore they go either Cultists or Cults, and Cultists are only chosen to meet minimum troops requirements or as a giant tarpit (though this can backfire in high-template metas).

Marines can be taken with moderate upgrades (When I run them, I run 2 Melta/Flamer, MoS, VotLW) and be relatively cheap (because everything is overpriced in this codex, even Cultists) while not immediately folding over when something more powerful than a Lasgun is pointed in their direction.

>Five man objective holders with double specials is where it's at.

Not really, no. Sonic Weapons > Specials, and Plague Marines can't fire Overwatch and have a low Initiative, so anything assaulting them that's even moderately decked for CC will usually get at least a few of them down before they are able to hit back. They're also largely immobile, so good luck trying to redeploy them more than 6" away (NM aren't much better at that, but they can at least run). You can bring Rhinos, but then they're not objective holders anymore.

Plague Marines are really good at standing around and soaking up ranged attacks >S6, but not much else. Noise Marines are infinitely more versatile and tactically flexible.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:17:59 No.43656523 Report

Quoted By: >>43656676 >>43656689

Yo' /Tg/uys

Is there anywhere cheaper to buy 40k than from GW because they're a bunch of money grabbing jews?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:18:48 No.43656541 Report

Quoted By: >>43656558 >>43656597 >>43656656 >>43656926

I have
20 Firewarrios (old)
10 Breachers
16 Kroot
10 Pathfinders
2 Riptides
6 Crisis
6 Stealth Battlesuits
7 Broadsides
1 Devilfish
3 Phirannas
1 Hammerhead
1 Hammerhead/Skyray
1 Sunshark Bomber
1 Ghostkeel
1 Commander (Finecast)
1 Stormsurge
Tons of Drones.

What would you recommend to buy next?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:20:12 No.43656558 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656541
Manta gunship

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:22:39 No.43656597 Report

Quoted By: >>43656998

>>43656541
probably more ghostkeels and depending on what you're planning to play either more crisis or hammerheads

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:26:56 No.43656656 Report

Quoted By: >>43656998

>>43656541
3 more crisis suits, another commander

they're the best units in the book, might as well make the most of them

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:28:53 No.43656676 Report

Quoted By: >>43656755

>>43656523
The fact you don't know this makes me believe you're here to shitpost with

>le jew meme

and start some shit over nothing. Fuck off.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:29:47 No.43656689 Report

Quoted By: >>43656755

>>43656523
Yes.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:30:34 No.43656703 Report

Quoted By: >>43656836 >>43659902

>>43656325
Eldar legends of the War in Heaven are pretty different from the actual events, so the Eldar account might not be very reliable.

Old Ones are completely absent in the Eldar mythic version of the War in Heaven, and the conflict is primarily fought between the Eldaer Gods, namely Khaine and Vaul. Necrons (or Yngir as they're called in the legends, but they're described as big skeletal beings made from metal, so there isn't much doubt over who they could be) appear in the stories but mostly play a side role, with the Eldar gods occasionally fight against them and sometimes even allying with them. The C'tan are mentioned in a few legends, such as one about Asyryan battling Kaelis-Ra (Nightbringer), but again don't really have a huge role in the overall narrative which is mostly Khaine vs Vaul.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:34:30 No.43656755 Report

Quoted By: >>43656763

>>43656676
>>43656689

I'm actually not here to shitpost, I am actually curious.

I'm considering venturing back into this hobby and I have a group together but my money doesn't quite stretch far enough to cover the considerable investment.

I have just wondering if there were any cheaper options.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:35:18 No.43656763 Report

Quoted By: >>43656779

>>43656755
There are.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:36:25 No.43656779 Report

Quoted By: >>43656847 >>43656857

>>43656763

I was also hoping someone could inform me of some, such as their websites or some such

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:40:53 No.43656836 Report

Quoted By: >>43657425

>>43656703
>Old Ones are completely absent in the Eldar mythic version of the War in Heaven

Not really.

In the Xenology we see an Eldar tablet with depictions of the Old Ones and the Necrons.

>appear in the stories but mostly play a side role

Again, not really. Even in the Eldar legends the C'tan were the motivation behind what happens between Eldar Gods. For example, the issue between Khaine and Vaul was caused by the 100 swords that Khaine demanded from Vaul as payment to free Isha and her husband. Vaul created 99 godly swords and ran out of time so he threw in a mundane mortal sword in to complete the hundred. During the battle between the Nightbringer and Khaine, Vaul's treachery was revealed and the battles outcome further stoked Khaine's hatred for the Eldar and Vaul.

Furthermore, Asuryan who abstained from the Eldar War in Heaven was struck down by his cold blades of his enemies during THE War in Heaven.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:41:36 No.43656847 Report

Quoted By: >>43656906

>>43656779
Wayland Games, Firestorm, Element Games

There you go anon

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:41:40 No.43656849 Report

Quoted By: >>43657114

>>43655203
Heldrakes can cook the bikes no problem, but CSM has literally no answerto 1 wraithknight, let alone 4. Allied Daemons with a Slaanesh-heavy focus could do some damage through mass rending. 20 seekers with Belakor to provide Invisibility could do significant damage, possibly even killing one before they get anihilated by stomps.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:42:08 No.43656857 Report

Quoted By: >>43656906 >>43657438

>>43656779
Dont reply to assfaggots

here you go
http://www.wargamestore.com/
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:45:11 No.43656906 Report

Quoted By: >>43656967 >>43656971

>>43656847
>>43656857

Thank you Anons, I was just asking a simple question.

Look forward to actually talking about 40K on this board sometime

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:46:21 No.43656926 Report

Quoted By: >>43656957

>>43656541
The hell were you planning with sixteen kroot?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:47:40 No.43656957 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656926

All came in the same box.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:48:01 No.43656963 Report

Quoted By:

>>43655624

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:48:41 No.43656967 Report

Quoted By: >>43657007

>>43656906
You came across badly. That's why people acted like that.

That, and the second sentence you wrote there, kind of give the impression that you are a bit of a dick honestly.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:48:55 No.43656971 Report

Quoted By: >>43657083

>>43656906
Well, you're in the wrong place then - anons here are shitty.

It's all win at all costs and cheesehammer here

You'll mostly just find general threads bitching about every aspect of the game, and the same for every other thread. /tg/ is a great board, but there are some fucking aspie fags on here.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:49:25 No.43656982 Report

Quoted By: >>43660387

>>43656520

Sonic marines are decent meq. Plague are hardier but no other strengths.
This is not news, but it certainly doesnt win any games unless in very casual nid\de\ba\orks games.
If you think csm are strong using meq youre delusional. Chosen, posessed, havocs? You use those super elites as well? Fotslogging\rhinos?
So how do you kill a TWC star? Riptides, WK, or even orikan star? Your meta has no fliers at all or you back up with 3 heldrakes?
Nah man not happening

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:50:03 No.43656998 Report

Quoted By: >>43657028 >>43657031

>>43656597
>>43656656

Thanks for the advice. Should I get an ethereal or perhaps Infiltration Cadre Burning Dawn?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:50:41 No.43657007 Report

Quoted By: >>43657029 >>43657438

>>43656967

Huh, I thought the impression of GW here was that they're money grabbing.

The archive has lied to me

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:51:52 No.43657028 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656998
Do you actually enjoy casual and non-optimal list making and playing?

I try to run kroot, vespid, non-formation stealth teams, etc as much as i can, and you can make ok-lists from basically anyone in the codex

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:51:55 No.43657029 Report

Quoted By: >>43657044 >>43657438

>>43657007
They are, but starting out by parroting a Jew meme probably didn't do you many favours.

We aren't all bad here. Most are ok.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:52:10 No.43657031 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656998
>Should I get an ethereal or perhaps Infiltration Cadre Burning Dawn?

More Riptides.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:53:15 No.43657044 Report

Quoted By: >>43657060

>>43657029

I'll keep that in mind

Clearly I've spent much too much time on /b/

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:54:11 No.43657060 Report

Quoted By: >>43657104

>>43657044
No bothers.

Out of curiosity, what army do you play?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:54:20 No.43657061 Report

Quoted By: >>43657087 >>43657113

>next chaos marines update
>mutilators are mandatory
>40 points each, max unit size of 10
>do you speak to the weapons spirit? once per game the unit can render cqc weapons as regular ccw

would this make them OP? charge a unit of paladins and smash them to bits with chainfists as they find their forceweapons are useless. though you could also charge a knight and suddenly that chainsword of D isn't so hot

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:55:32 No.43657083 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656971
/tg/ is the opposite of WAAC. It's 90% complaining that 7.5e codices are OP and that their low tier army is impossible to have fun with. Any time a tournament-level list gets posted it gets shat on for being no fun allowed.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:55:51 No.43657087 Report

Quoted By: >>43657113 >>43657119 >>43657200

>>43657061
Literally all Mutilators need to be fielded is Fearless.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:57:10 No.43657104 Report

Quoted By: >>43657163

>>43657060

I'm thinking of starting a Dark Eldar army...Dont really know why

Played IG for a bit before they turned into the Astra Militarum

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:57:44 No.43657113 Report

Quoted By: >>43657200

>>43657087
>>43657061

They need to be swept under the rug and forgotten about. The person responsible for their creation should be thrown from a rooftop and dragged through the street.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:57:47 No.43657114 Report

Quoted By: >>43657151 >>43657245

>>43656849
Would this work, then? The Hell Talons are much better than the Heldrakes especially post-nerf, and the Fire Raptor Gunship is a heavy support flying badass. Nurgle Daemon Prince does a pretty good job, too at downing bikes/damaging Wraithknights. Cultists/Nurglings are required troops which are basically meat shields.

1850 points

---HQ---

Daemon Prince - 340 points
-Daemon of Nurgle
-Psyker Mastery Level 3
-The Black Mace
-Wings
-Power Armor

---Troops---

9 Chaos Cultists with 1 Cultist Champion - 50 points

9 Chaos Cultists with 1 Cultist Champion - 50 points

---Fast Attack---

3x Hell Talons - 190 x 3 = 570 points
-Helstorm Autocannon
-Warp-Pulse Bombs

---Heavy Support---

Chaos Fire Raptor Gunship - 200 points

+++Allied Detachment+++

---HQ---

Be'Lakor - 350 points

---Troops---

3 Nurglings - 45 points

---Elites---

20 Seekers of Slaanesh - 245 points
-Heartseeker upgrade

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:58:08 No.43657119 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657087
Looking at them as a non Chaos player, I am telling you now that they need WAY more than that.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 20:59:54 No.43657151 Report

Quoted By: >>43657273

>>43657114
Better, but i would still take at least 1 heldrake, the bikes cant take a retarded jink save against a ap3 torrent template.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:00:35 No.43657163 Report

Quoted By: >>43657210

>>43657104
DE have beautiful models but are in a bad place on TT right now, if that bothers you.

IG are the same really apart from their name change.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:02:37 No.43657200 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657087
i think they need a bit more then that, they're suppose to be versatile assault terminators

>>43657113
i do like the idea of them and it branches out more daemon/marines hybrids and collecting weapon spirits.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:03:30 No.43657210 Report

Quoted By: >>43657376

>>43657163

I'm gonna be playing a kinda small group, is it bad enough that a relative newcomer will get stomped?

Anything else to recommend?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:05:28 No.43657245 Report

Quoted By: >>43657391

>>43657114
You are lacking in objective holding dudes. And pretty low model count. But waacish enough, im sure youd win stuff.
Nurgle dp dissapears as soon as theres anything ignores cover\enough dakka to fail 2+\auspex\dflamers so dont count on him doing much.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:06:48 No.43657273 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657151
Aight. 1 Heldrake, use the 20 remaining points leftover as a result for Armored Ceramite for Gunship.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:09:04 No.43657316 Report

Quoted By: >>43657781

Generally, what do you think it is essential in a well-rounded list?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:11:17 No.43657349 Report

Quoted By: >>43657397

Should I build my Betrayal at Calth set as a 40k Red Scorpions list or should I just give in to the HH overlords and build it as a 30k list? (nobody at my store plays 30k so I'd be playing against 40k armies)

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:13:11 No.43657376 Report

Quoted By: >>43657400

>>43657210
For which army, IG?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:13:54 No.43657391 Report

Quoted By: >>43657600

>>43657245
>Nurgle dp dissapears as soon as theres anything ignores cover\enough dakka to fail 2+\auspex\dflamers so dont count on him doing much.
Even with invisibility plus additional MoN defense increase?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:14:13 No.43657397 Report

Quoted By: >>43657517

>>43657349
Depends. Haven't played 30k myself but I hear it's fairly underpowered until you hit 2000pts.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:14:16 No.43657400 Report

Quoted By: >>43657467 >>43657473 >>43657879

>>43657376

DE

Like, will I just get ultra rekt?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:16:04 No.43657425 Report

Quoted By: >>43657607 >>43658267

>>43656836
>the 100 swords that Khaine demanded from Vaul
You know that little bit of text. It always made me think of Farsight's Dawnblade because in the legend those swords make their wielder pretty much tireless (ie immortal maybe). Which would explain why Farsight hasn't croaked yet.
So how many people are in this party of thinking here?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:16:49 No.43657438 Report

Quoted By: >>43657514

>>43656857
Fuck off. "Le Jew" is fucking bullshit and you know it. He could have left that shit out.

>>43657007
>>43657029
They're no more Jew than any other profit oriented company.

The fact you can't be bothered to type "Discount 40k" into Google came across as you being a meme spouting prick.

And seeing as we have cunts in /tg/ 24/7 now, forgive my reaction to one of the oldest shitposts on /tg/ being negative.

Never buy direct from GW. Even Canada and Australia have access to 3rd party sites. Ebay is even cheaper than them.

That's another reason, it's useless if you don't tell us where you're from.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:17:54 No.43657467 Report

Quoted By: >>43657538

>>43657400
You know how everything in the game has ignores cover nowadays? Well you have 5+ armor saves and AV 10 open-topped vehicles. When DE isn't jinking or hiding, they're dying.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:18:14 No.43657473 Report

Quoted By: >>43657538

>>43657400
Depends. Casually it will be fine. Tau are your complete hard counter though and will wreck you without even trying so be wary of that.

Just ask your opponent not to cheese out. Against pre necron stuff you should be ok. Necron stuff onwards you may have to work harder.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:19:04 No.43657491 Report

Quoted By:

>>43654079
gj on that sweet ass deal anon

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:19:59 No.43657514 Report

Quoted By: >>43657611

>>43657438

I was more trying to ask someone who actually know stuff about 40K, I was just looking for someone who knew more than me.

I'm sorry, yes I'm a meme spouting prick. I apologise.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:20:18 No.43657517 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657397
Yeah that's what I heard as well. I could always buy more plastic HH stuff on eBay by the squad I guess...

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:22:17 No.43657538 Report

Quoted By: >>43657626

>>43657467
>>43657473

Hmm, perhaps I should find a better army to field, I know for a fact I'll be fighting IG and Space Marines...

So maybe another army would be best...

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:26:04 No.43657600 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657391
Oh i read screamers not seekers so thought youd invis those every turn. Yea if hes invis he would survive most things, just dont get stuck in anything or fail that daemon weapon ;)

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:26:20 No.43657607 Report

Quoted By: >>43658267

>>43657425
Well, that's one of the possible origins usually mentioned (taht or it being the legendary sword of Eldar mythology: Anearis, or Sword of Dawnlight). Other is it being Necron or Chaos relic.

Personally, I think that based on the stuff we learned in the Farsight supplment, I don't think it's any of those. It was held by one of a group of statues which were all holding anti-Daemon amulets, so whoever made it was probably not a Chaos-worshipper (those statues seem to have been built to contain any Daemons coming from the Chaos temple where Farsight accidentally causes a daemonic incursion by killing some Orks inside the place). Necrons aren't all that likely to erect a bunch of statues on random planets and give them fancy swords, either. Eldar maybe, but the statues seemed to be more of an Imperial style (hooded and robed figures, which show up a lot in Imperial architecture).
I'm quessing the blade was put there by the Orde Malleus. But of course it might have been built by somebody else.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:26:40 No.43657611 Report

Quoted By: >>43657655

>>43657514
It's cool. So, what country? If you're American or British, you're OK. If you're Australian or Canadian, you need specific websites.

I was just being a prick, sorry, /tg/ has been shit lately.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:27:41 No.43657626 Report

Quoted By: >>43657688

>>43657538
Hey at anything near 500, below where formations, special detachment buffs, and heavy hitters can come into play, Dark Eldar rock out against most targets. They fall shorter and shorter the larger the points go.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:29:52 No.43657655 Report

Quoted By: >>43657866

>>43657611

I'm British yeah, it's cool. I've come to like /tg/, the stories here are actually good compared to other boards.

See if this was /b/, there would be no understanding between us

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:30:12 No.43657658 Report

Quoted By: >>43657748 >>43657792 >>43657815 >>43657975

so it turns out everyone at the nearest game store plays tau and they don't like terrain

I don't want my chaos marines to be tabled on turn 1 please help

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:31:49 No.43657688 Report

Quoted By: >>43657948

>>43657626

Okay, I'll start building my army with the links you've given me.

Thanks guys

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:34:28 No.43657748 Report

Quoted By: >>43657816 >>43657866

>>43657658

Plan A)
Talk to them and try to make them realize if they don't allow heavy cover you will be effortlessly tabled and that isn't fun for either player.

Plan B)
Call them faggots and storm out.
Play at the second nearest store.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:35:20 No.43657763 Report

Quoted By: >>43657786 >>43657819

Wargear loadouts for Command Squads?

It seems like if I go for Reclusiam I want stuff that will help in CCW, but the Apothecary makes me want to sit back and camp an objective and rely on FNP/cover to just slug through it, and shoot at people with Plasma or Grav.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:36:22 No.43657781 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657316
>Essentials
- Armourbane / Haywire
- Template weapons
- AP1 / AP2

>Good to have
- Transports
- Psykers
- Long range MBTs
- Infiltrators

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:36:42 No.43657786 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657763
Continuing this - or do I just go barebones for upgrades?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:37:01 No.43657792 Report

Quoted By: >>43657816

>>43657658

What's the fun in playing without terrain?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:38:21 No.43657815 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657658
Save up more money for gas? Seriously, if the atmosphere isn't fun, either voice your concerns like a reasonable adult, or drive to a different store.

No one should stop you from having a good time.
>CSM
except yourself, apparently.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:38:31 No.43657816 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657748
the nearest store already takes an hour and a half for me to get to

there used to be a closer store, quite close in fact, but it went out of business.

I have no choice but to try talking to them, but I am not very good at that.

>>43657792
I have no idea. Maybe they like rolling dice.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:38:42 No.43657819 Report

Quoted By: >>43657910

>>43657763
Reclusiam command squad is shit. It's a melee squad that is forced to go on a Razorback.

If you want a melee Command squad give them bikes, they bring their own cover around and T5 make fnp better.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:41:32 No.43657866 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657655
Then you're sorted. It's just... /tg/ has got so bad recently....

>>43657748
>heavy cover
>mattering to Tau
>laughingmarkerlightsluts.jpg

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:42:17 No.43657879 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657400

Hello! I am here to help you the best I can. Dark Eldar are not at the top of the list of powerful factions, but they are not at the bottom either. They are still in a better way than Chaos, Orks, Nids and Guard, or at least equal.

Min/Max units in transports and ALWAYS jink. Get the upgrade for everything that makes your jink's 3+.

Warriors in Open Topped Transports DON'T snap shoot when their transport jinks - so if you maximize Dark Lances, Blasters, Splinter Cannons, etc in the squads within your transports, you will be effectively zipping them all over the board with a 3-Wound, 3+ Cover Save without any penalty to shooting.

You can also have a squad of nasty melee units assault out of open-topped transports, which is good. Go with Grotesques or whatever are the bigger, multi-would, high toughness units available nowadays. Stay away from Wyches and Incubi.

It's very feasible to run 5-6 Venom's and 5-6 Raiders, all with 5 man squads with special weapons. The Venom's can pour out 12 shots each. Good luck

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:43:51 No.43657910 Report

Quoted By: >>43658032

>>43657819
Keep'em cheap, I guess, then?

I'm cobbling this together out of bitz for fun so I don't have to worry about having spent additional money on something that sucks.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:46:02 No.43657948 Report

Quoted By: >>43657991 >>43658278 >>43658976

>>43657688
If it falls through, just an if, there is the Eldar Guardian Battleforce.

Yes I am recommending Eldar. Bear with me.

This formation is not OP, is very versatile due to the varied load outs of the units you can bring, and plays like a hit and run, glass cannon army.

Everything is flimsy as fuck, but can be very fast even on foot and has very good psyker support. The guardian squads can buy a psyker sergeant that can confer shrouded with their abilities.

The vehicles are all 10/10/10 2HP in the formation but are extremely fast, cheap and covered in heavy weaponry. With the exception of the artillery, but that is also cheap.

Just a suggestion, in case you want to field a glass cannon army and DE aren't doing it for you.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:46:36 No.43657966 Report

Quoted By: >>43658024

>>43655865
>eldar
>complaining about tanks
>have the best anti-tank in the game that doesn't care about armour values
Fuck off.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:47:05 No.43657975 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657658
Get some cardboard and start putting together a cityscape. Make it all like nice streets and tall to short buildings. Make sure you can pull them apart to allow units to be put on the different levels easily. Make that all look cool and interesting. Go to FLGS and ask if anyone wants to play in a cool cityscape game with all your nice terrain. I'm sure there will be at least a few players willing to go against you hopefully.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:47:57 No.43657991 Report

Quoted By: >>43658002 >>43658167

>>43657948

>those old ass vypers

GW plz

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:48:45 No.43658002 Report

Quoted By: >>43658167

>>43657991
Vyper models are old but sexy. I love them. I don't think they need changing.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:49:47 No.43658024 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657966
He was taking a jab at Eldar you dingus.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:50:05 No.43658032 Report

Quoted By: >>43658235

>>43657910
Oh, that change things. Either way Command Squads are used competitively in two ways:

1) Cheap sucide squad with special weapons in drop pods

2) Bike Command Squads.

Still, if you aren't playing competitively a Command squad is good for making a bodyguard for a melee character on foot. You put it in a drop pod, and the turn you drop you use the ranged special weapons. Then you have them act as a retinue for the character to give him fnp. Even better if IH because of 4+ fnp.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 21:56:26 No.43658167 Report

Quoted By:

>>43657991
>>43658002
Plus, holy shit, I would trade the venom for a vyper in a heartbeat. It doesn't have a transport capacity but fuck me it spits out a horrendous amount of firepower for a cheap as fuck cost. Plus it's fragile as hell.

I think it does DE better than actual DE.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 22:00:39 No.43658235 Report

Quoted By:

>go on /v/
>do filename thread
>get Janitor Warning for "offtopic, not vidya"
>thread suddenly dies

Arggg. This just compounds the death throws of /tg/ even more.

>>43658032
>Suicide Command Squads are the only way to get Grav Weapons for BA's

It's a real shame.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 22:02:24 No.43658267 Report

Quoted By: >>43658814

>>43657607
>>43657425
The secret of the sword will be revealed in the upcoming Mont'ka book.

you better start placing your bets guys.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 22:03:18 No.43658278 Report

Quoted By: >>43658314 >>43658976

>>43657948
Also bear in mind, for whatever dumb reason, this box doesn't seem to come with an Warlocks, which you NEED in an Eldar Citizen Army

You'll want one for at least each guardian squad, if not more.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 22:05:29 No.43658314 Report

Quoted By: >>43658976

>>43658278
This is very true, though I would recommend the Farseer and Warlocks bundle for anyone interested.

It's a very good deal, and although its in finecast, the models themselves are good looking and give you three warlocks and a Farseer, which fill out a few requirements in one go.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 22:34:38 No.43658814 Report

Quoted By:

>>43658267
>The secret of the sword will be revealed in the upcoming Mont'ka book.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 22:44:05 No.43658976 Report

Quoted By: >>43659039 >>43660002

>banned from /v/ due to off-topic filename
>filename was vidya related
>leave porn links up

Fucking mods really fucking suck. And of course, no way to contact anybody about this horseshit. All because somebody doesn't know who The Pain is from MGS.

Does my fucking head in, all I ever get banned for is shit like that. It's doing my nut.

>>43657948
>>43658278
>>43658314
Would Seer Council fit an Ulthwé army? I hate not having Black Guardian bonuses these days. Also, what's the name of the Matriarch Craftworld?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 22:48:05 No.43659039 Report

Quoted By: >>43659121 >>43659222

>>43658976
>Seer council

God yeah. You can have Eldrad in it and everything.

The Craftworld's name is Iybraesil.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 22:52:55 No.43659121 Report

Quoted By: >>43659217 >>43659222

>>43659039
Awesome. Shame there is no R34 of that particular Craftworld....

I want +1WS/+1BS bonuses back for Black Guardians thou.

Fucking mods... no way to contact them either ;_; oh well

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 22:57:24 No.43659217 Report

Quoted By:

>>43659121
Well they have a really high amounts of Banshees, more than any other Craftworld, and there is loads of R34 of them so...

And BS 5 guardians would probably be a bit overkill. 40 shots with rending against anything with a toughness value at BS 5 would be utterly terrifying for anything to face.

Mind you the 12" range on the guns balances it out. I rarely get to shoot anything with their catapults, until the end of the game where I finally close in.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 22:57:37 No.43659222 Report

Quoted By:

>>43659121
>>43659039
Also, should point out I'm not the guy you originally spoke too. I was just butting in. Shame I won't play 40k for awhile.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:02:02 No.43659306 Report

Quoted By: >>43659331 >>43659350 >>43659579

>models like this will never come back

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:03:56 No.43659331 Report

Quoted By: >>43659400

>>43659306

Is... that a good thing or a bad thing?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:05:00 No.43659350 Report

Quoted By: >>43659378 >>43659400

>>43659306
Is that... a wych?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:06:02 No.43659378 Report

Quoted By:

>>43659350
It's a 3rd ed Dark Eldar special character with the bodysuit painted flesh tones.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:07:00 No.43659400 Report

Quoted By: >>43659431 >>43659456 >>43659579 >>43659702

>>43659350
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kruellagh

>>43659331
Bad, man. Bad.

No more cheeky cheesecake models by GW. You have to go and find 3rd party for that. Even for models that it makes sense, like Repentia, Penitent Engines, Lilieath, Morathi and so on.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:08:51 No.43659431 Report

Quoted By: >>43659629

>>43659400
>She is usually referred to as Kruellagh the Vile although she is known by many other aliases, such as "The Mistress of Skulls", "The Emasculator", "Da Skinna" (by the Orks), and "Mistress Hell Fury".

>The elite warriors she personally commands within the Kabal are known as "The Emasculators", known for lightning-fast precision assaults.

>"The Emasculators"

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:09:50 No.43659456 Report

Quoted By: >>43660100

>>43659400
>No more cheeky cheesecake models by GW.
>implying that's a bad thing
not everyone want their models to be weird soft porn pieces. if you want that, go 3rd party, and leave the rest of us alone

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:11:34 No.43659511 Report

Quoted By:

>>43653671
If you're such a baddie that you are relying on grav or dont know how to bubble wrap your shit, please tell me where you live. I need an easy opponent.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:15:04 No.43659579 Report

Quoted By: >>43659695

>>43659306
>>43659400
Kruellagh the Vile?

What the fuck were they thinking with that name?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:17:06 No.43659629 Report

Quoted By: >>43660100

>>43659431
>The elite warriors she personally commands within the Kabal are known as "The Emasculators", known for lightning-fast precision assaults.

To the balls, apparently.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:20:15 No.43659695 Report

Quoted By: >>43659716

>>43659579

Cruella de Vil reference, I imagine.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:20:34 No.43659702 Report

Quoted By: >>43660100

>>43659400
Apparently she had a bit of equipment that would drain her opponents of their vital fluids and inject them into her, making her faster and stronger.

As opposed to making her fat and giving her AIDS.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:21:35 No.43659716 Report

Quoted By: >>43659827 >>43660100

>>43659695
Oh I got that part. I just want to know why??? Were they high at the time?

Probably. Jesus.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:25:20 No.43659808 Report

Quoted By:

>>43654379
Those eyes look odd.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:26:26 No.43659827 Report

Quoted By: >>43659874

>>43659716
Do you seriously not know about the countless pop culture references in 40k/WHFB?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:29:26 No.43659874 Report

Quoted By: >>43659895 >>43660100 >>43660304

>>43659827
Of course I do. This one isn't subtle at all and is frankly retarded.

Thank god I got into DE after fifth edition.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:30:31 No.43659895 Report

Quoted By: >>43660006

>>43659874

DE? How do you a recommend starting an army? I only need a small one, below 1000 points.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:30:52 No.43659902 Report

Quoted By:

>>43656703
I think there is a fundamental flaw in your understanding of these events there are 2 events known as the War in Heaven in 40k one is the Eldar war fought between Vaul and Khaine and the other is the galaxy spanning war of the Necrons and Old Ones they are not 1 event but 2 completely separate events with the same name

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:34:52 No.43660002 Report

Quoted By: >>43660100 >>43660120

>>43658976
>banned for shitposting
>get mad about it

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:35:08 No.43660006 Report

Quoted By: >>43660070

>>43659895
Stock up on venoms with splinter cannons filled with blasterborn (trueborn with blisters). Deep strike them if you are feeling ballsy, I once took out a shitload of my roommates marines by deepstriking mine into his deployment zone.

Scourges are probably your best source of anti tank.

A rule of thumb I used was raiders for assaulting, venoms for shooting. This worked well for me.

Reaver jet bikes are amazing. I never left home without them.

I would do you up a list but frankly I'm not arsed. For troops I stuck kabalites in venoms. Lots of venoms. Good luck.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:37:01 No.43660048 Report

Quoted By: >>43660296

Something has been bothering me on Chaos. The Gods get their power from emotions, but how does it work? Is it like exp or something? How much power is Khorne going to get from an average joe getting slightly mad about getting stuck in traffic? I know it's a generational thing, but I always wanted to know how much power the Chaos Gods get from one day on average.

Another thing. Events in the material world have caused the Chaos Gods to be what they are, so some people would probably think that if things changed in the material world for the better the Chaos Gods would change for the better. The real question isn't "can they change?", it's "do they want to change?" The Chaos Gods may not have true free will like we do, but they have some form of will. They manipulate events to suit their needs, and for only three purposes. Domination over all of creation, destruction of reality, and entertainment. The Emperor knew that emotions fueled the Chaos Gods, and planned on humanity to reign in its emotions. The Chaos Gods didn't want this to happen, and we knew what they did to make sure the modern 40k could happen so that they could get more emotions to fuel them. They don't want anyone to mess with their fuel supply, and I doubt they'll react positively to anyone trying to "change them to benevolent, caring gods". Maybe emotions are like chicken noodle soup, and negative emotions are chicken noodle soup with crackers.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:38:13 No.43660070 Report

Quoted By: >>43660118

>>43660006

I assume Wyches suck? Like not recommended to run them?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:39:24 No.43660100 Report

Quoted By: >>43660133

>>43659456
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE

Fuck off. There is like, 5 models which could be considered "cheesecake" and only 2 of them still exist.

You forget that GW didn't use to care and made models for neckbeards like myself. Then it got popular and censored itself, rightly, to get more money.

So, the fact you were making an army or faced an army of just these 5 or so models (2 of which are WHFB), shows your problem, not mine.

>>43659629
She basically sucks their "body fluid" out to "energize" herself as well. It's a metaphor.

>>43659702
Sex metaphor, I think.

>>43659716
>>43659874
It's not as bad as Clousseau, Obiwan Sherlock. Or Commissar Barbie.

>>43660002
I didn't shitpost. I posted a video game related filename in a video game filename thread.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:40:23 No.43660118 Report

Quoted By:

>>43660070
Absolutely terrible, I ran math on them a few times. If ten of them charged a marine squad (ten fits in a raider) they have a high chance of getting pummelled themselves and losing the combat. Never use them.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:40:29 No.43660120 Report

Quoted By:

>>43660002
i dont think u read what he said desu.

unless you thought he also posted porn links, which i don't think he did mean.

but when you're probably this guy

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:41:16 No.43660133 Report

Quoted By: >>43660333

>>43660100
>Commissar Barbie
You're joking.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:42:36 No.43660156 Report

Quoted By: >>43660209

new player here, question about moving and shooting with vehicles-

a hellhound can move 6" and shoot one weapon at full BS, and if it moves 12" it can only fire snapshots? so if i had an inferno cannon and hull flamer and went c12" i couldnt shoot, right?

also, can vehicles "run" in the shooting phase?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:46:13 No.43660209 Report

Quoted By: >>43663256

>>43660156
>a hellhound can move 6" and shoot one weapon at full BS

Thats only for non-fast vehicles, hellhounds are fast vehicles and can move 12'' and fire one weapon at full BS or move 6'' and fire two.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:48:35 No.43660259 Report

Quoted By: >>43660279

Which army looks best in MK4 armor? I want to paint the coolest looking dudes.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:49:26 No.43660279 Report

Quoted By:

>>43660259
Emperors Children.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:50:21 No.43660296 Report

Quoted By: >>43660403

>>43660048
Popularity contest.

Two things power the Chaos Gods.

1. Things linked to their speciality
2. Souls

For example, cause the setting is "THERE IS ONLY WHURRR", then Khorne is always on top. This means that more people are likely to also worship him in exchange for the chance of power. When plague ravages the galaxy, Nurgle shoots to the top and eclipses all. He gains more power when dying/infected/soon-to-be-infected sell their souls to him for immunity to the plague(s). But when it dies down, he shoots back down to the bottom. Essentially, he has the highest potential, but it's fleeting. Slaanesh gets power from excess, this doesn't mean regular sex or reproducing, it means Gilles de Rai (real person btw, look him up) level shit. He/she/it then gets more when people sell their souls to him for more pleasure/pain/sensation. Tzeentch is about change, politicking, backstabbing and rusing and shit. So that guy who becomes 2nd in Command and gains support of his underlings, then kills the leader and takes his place? That powers him. So does change in itself. Big changes give more (so, entire system becoming Daemon Worlds for example). He gains power when people sell their souls for power/station and shit like that.

As for the Emperor. He knew he couldn't do the emotions things, he wanted to stamp out the idea there was anybody or anything to turn too. Everything Emperor did was to weaken the Chaos Gods. Humanity has no enemies to fight? Less war. Humanity has technology mastered? No plagues. Humanity is nicely ordered? Little chance of major change. Humanity is policed and monitored? Less chance of extreme excess due to nobody standing over you, watching.

The fact Chaos Gods would actually "reply" to mortals praying was another reason. Remove the idea that by going "Give be the strength to beat my enemies in battle" would actually result in some Khorne Brand Buff and you stop people asking for it.

Eventually Chaos would become defeatable.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:50:39 No.43660304 Report

Quoted By: >>43660386

>>43659874
>This one isn't subtle at all
none of them are fucking subtle

"Sly" Marbo?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:52:07 No.43660333 Report

Quoted By:

>>43660133
I am. Sorry. Wasn't specifically called that, but the model looked similar iirc. Either way, 40k has lots of silly stuff in it, so does WHFB.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:55:19 No.43660386 Report

Quoted By: >>43660428

>>43660304
And he isn't canon any more either.

Actually glad they are getting rid of all the stupid shit.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:55:18 No.43660387 Report

Quoted By: >>43663114

>>43656982
>Sonic marines are decent meq
>I5
>Fearless
>Access to arguably the best man-portable weapon in the game
>Access to AP3 Flamer
>All attacks ignore cover
>"decent"

They're not a one-size-fits-all solution, but they have consistently earned back their points in every game I've played them, and they hit shockingly well against Eldar (Not enough to mop the floor with them, but enough to catch them off guard and throw their plans for a loop when all their infantry start running off the board, which is usually more than enough to secure a win).

> Chosen, posessed, havocs

Autocannon havocs are fucking great for their points cost, especially if plugged into an Aegis Defense Line or a similar Fortification. They're a threat to pretty much anything not AV13, and the AV13 is dealt with by Melta squads or Vindicators.

Chosen are nowhere near as bad as everybody makes them out to be, you just have to keep them as cheap as possible while kitting them out for a very specific purpose. There are better options usually, but sometimes you just need to throw down 5 Templates at once or hurl a bunch of plasma from cover. Combine with Infiltrate from the Warlord Traits and they can wreck all sorts of havoc first-turn.

Possessed do suck. Honestly, just making them W2 would alleviate a lot of their problems.

>TWC star
>WK
>orikan star

Have not played it yet.

>Riptides

Blastmasters for days. Few things can survive 4 S8 AP3 Blast Ignores Cover shots when they're shot halfway across the board.

>Your meta has no fliers at all

Autocannon Havocs in a Defense Line w/ Quad Gun.

I have one heldrake, but I don't use it all that often.

Nobody is saying CSM's are top-tier, because they sure as hell aren't, but they're not nearly as awful as people like to bitch and moan about.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:56:06 No.43660403 Report

Quoted By: >>43660514

>>43660296
>As for the Emperor. He knew he couldn't do the emotions things, he wanted to stamp out the idea there was anybody or anything to turn too.
I thought he wanted to fill the Warp with HFY.
> Remove the idea that by going "Give be the strength to beat my enemies in battle" would actually result in some Khorne Brand Buff and you stop people asking for it.
I'm sure Fabius has probably tried that.

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:57:38 No.43660428 Report

Quoted By: >>43660444 >>43660452

>>43660386

40k isn't 40k without stupid shit.

You're almost as bad as the whiners who think Space Wolves should dial back the Wolfwolves.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:58:02 No.43660437 Report

Quoted By:

>>43652943
To be honest? I don't even want to be that powerful when playing Chaos. I just want to have a well balanced codex that doesn't force me to field gimpy unit combinations just to be on par with the current codex creep.

I don't want to be more powerful than what already exists, but I also don't want to feel like my codex just doesn't have the tools required to compete with the other books. I shouldn't -have- to pull allies from other books just to fill in for where the CSM codex does not.

I wouldn't even care if they did reworked the codex to the point where winning with them was still a challenge, but you weren't just absolutely blown out of the water by the opposition.

I just want a balanced codex so I can feel great when I play Chaos, and to not get stomped on by the loyalist lapdogs. But I don't want to be blatantly more powerful than them.

/rant

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:58:26 No.43660444 Report

Quoted By: >>43660521

>>43660428
They should.

Who doesn't think that?

Anonymous Sun 15 Nov 2015 23:58:50 No.43660452 Report

Quoted By: >>43660521

>>43660428
>You're almost as bad as the whiners who think Space Wolves should dial back the Wolfwolves.
How is that a bad thing? What is wrong with wanting less wolf this wolf this wolf to the max?

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:03:07 No.43660514 Report

Quoted By: >>43660583

>>43660403
I was under the impression he wanted the Chaos Gods weakened enough so he could go and defeat them for good. His last piece of the puzzle was removing the need for Warp travel. With the webway, they could move instantly without the Warp. If he had gone and killed Chaos Gods before that, then humanity would be forever stuck, isolated. So he had to do that first. He NEEDED the Warp, but he still wanted Chaos weakened so he could march in there and remove them.

Didn't happen thou. I still hope and pray the Sisters of Silence and Custodes are fighting in the Webway, clearing it of Daemons. It got breached by them when Magnus PM'd Emprah. They got pushed back trying to repair it. So, I hope they went in and have been slowly clearing and repairing it for 10k years.

But probably not, not grimdark enough. Gotta have those Daemons banging on the gate.

The Dark Eldar also have this problem, though it's a direct Warp Rift, not the Webway.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:03:28 No.43660521 Report

Quoted By: >>43660581 >>43660583

>>43660444
>>43660452

Congratulations! You've both managed to miss the entire sledgehammer unsubtle reason the setting even exists!

If you want non-self aware, not intentionally goofy grimdark, the worst comic books of the 90's are over there for you.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:06:52 No.43660581 Report

Quoted By:

>>43660521
You honest to god just sound like a self important retard.

The Space Wolves didn't have any of that bullshit associated with them until the fifth edition codex (I think I have it right). Before that they just had a Viking thing going.

That change is recent enough, and is pretty universally accepted to have been a stupid change. Especially by Space Wolf players.

Christ, I'm a xeno fucker and even I know how fucking retarded a change it was.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:06:54 No.43660583 Report

Quoted By: >>43661325

>>43660514
>. I still hope and pray the Sisters of Silence and Custodes are fighting
The Sisters probably are still fighting.
>>43660521
I know things are goofy, but when the word wolf has been slapped on everything when will the line be crossed?

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:13:21 No.43660710 Report

Quoted By: >>43661142 >>43661978 >>43662239

a question on allocating wounds from barrage blasts-

I can only allocate wounds to units directly under the markers, right? if everything under the marker is dead the wounds arent given to the next closest unit?

also in melee, can wounds be allocated to models more then two inches away?

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:37:41 No.43661142 Report

Quoted By: >>43661681

>>43660710
No to both of your questions, all though opponents will try to do it, either because they're trying to be sneaky beaky cheaters or because they're legitimately forgetting the rule (this is especially true of the 2" rule).

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:41:50 No.43661227 Report

Quoted By: >>43661320 >>43661387

Hey /tg/!

I was thinking about you guys complaining about how melee is bad and you need to be fast and deep strike and I was thinking.
Passengers fight from inside chariots in CC, right? Why are there not riderless chariot assult transports then! Moving 12" a turn with a 4+ jink, improved hammer of wrath and your assult troops don't even need to disembark!

Come on, good idea or not?!

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:46:17 No.43661320 Report

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>>43661227
Because fast transports (such as wave serpents) already do that.

A raider that the DE have is basically that but without the HOW stuff.

Fast open topped transports mate.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:46:34 No.43661325 Report

Quoted By: >>43661387 >>43661520

>>43660583
Sisters aren't mentioned after the HH. I assume they're on the Black Ships. I did email White Dwarf "Ask Grombindal" thing but didn't get a reply. I assumed it was cause they don't give individual replies...

Dunno what to do really, they're never mentioned, just like the Custodians, in 40k.

I mean, we know 300 Companions defend the Emperor, based on 300 (which is on historical events) and that's why they're next to naked. But there were at least 700 more, what are they doing?

I want to be able to use a Custodian Army in 40k fights when they're released by Forge World. I also want to do SoS armies.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:50:07 No.43661387 Report

Quoted By: >>43661851

>>43661227
actually there is a riderless chariot, it's called the skullcannon

>>43661325
maybe they got too many killed when they fought the 1k sons with the space wolves? that's the only mention i know of

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 00:58:02 No.43661520 Report

Quoted By: >>43661851

>>43661325
The Emperor's Pillar Men are still around. They're guarding the Big E still.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:07:15 No.43661681 Report

Quoted By: >>43662239

>>43661142
can you source the rules for your interpretations? i know my friend will argue it and i'll need to quote the rules.
in melee it says 'a unit can be allocated wounds in melee even if theyre not engaged'

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:15:13 No.43661851 Report

Quoted By: >>43661947 >>43662014

>>43661387
Nope. After Burning of Prospero, they returned with the Custodians and started guarding the Tech Priests reparing the Webway and making it usable by humans. Then Magnus sent a PM, broke the wards and make hundreds of breaches, in which Daemons flooded through. They tried to hold them off while repairs were made, but eventually were pushed back. One SoS solo'd a Bloodthirster (she died due to the effort).

Then they were used during the Siege of Terra. But SoS weren't really mentioned, but obviously would have helped against the Daemons and shit. Custodians held the Emperors Garden or some shit, but they were pushed back due to sheer numbers.

>>43661520
I know there are 300 specifically guarding Big E. But during HH there was at least 1,000 and the number was always "unknown". But they had transports (even anti-grav Rhinos) and Dreadnoughts and Jetbikes and shit. So I assume they're still there. I highly doubt it's just 300 dudes now. There MUST be more. They're essentially Spartans to the Space Marines Romans.

They must be doing something. Since no fluff mentions them during 40k, I headcanon the idea they go on missions on order of the Emperor in small groups to help other forces. Essentially like they did during Burning of Prospero. So a Elite Elite Force to help out. To boost morale to show the Emperor is watching or some shit.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:20:45 No.43661947 Report

Quoted By:

>>43661851
>They're essentially Spartans to the Space Marines Romans
So they practice buttfacking instead of purging alien babes?

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:22:53 No.43661978 Report

Quoted By:

>>43660710
For the second question, yes, or else you would have dedicated melee only killing a set number of guys in every melee.

For your first question, you keep allocating wounds until your wound pool empties or the unit is killed.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:25:19 No.43662014 Report

Quoted By: >>43662603

>>43661851
wait, i thought magnus sent the message before the burning of prospero. that's kinda the whole reason the wolves and sisters went there

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Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:27:52 No.43662063 Report

Quoted By: >>43662083 >>43662152 >>43662239

for my ongoing wound allocation with barrage question, see picture attached.
black circles are units, red are barrage blasts. (wyvern v hormagants) with eight hits, once the wound pool is tallied can they be allocated to the units outside the blast markers?

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:29:01 No.43662083 Report

Quoted By: >>43662152 >>43662358

>>43662063
If they are a part of the unit, yes.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:33:36 No.43662152 Report

Quoted By: >>43662358

>>43662063
>>43662083
Though remember with barrage you work from the centre of the blast outwards for wound allocation.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:37:17 No.43662239 Report

Quoted By: >>43662358

>>43662063
>>43661681
>>43660710

Fairly sure Melee doesn't have a range when attacking into the enemy, just that attackers need to be in b2b or 2 inches from someone in b2b. this ain't AoS

Either way almost nobody ever follows these ideas to the letter. It's the kind of thing where you -should- roll every single shot on it's own but no one does, even the Rulebook encourages fast-dice and wasting as little time as possible.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:45:14 No.43662358 Report

Quoted By: >>43662515

>>43662083
>>43662152
>>43662239
thanks guys, it's been a point of hot contention and we're still not a hundred percent sure. I think i was thinking of templates, which say you cant allocate wounds to anything outside it, but my understanding now is:

anything under a blast counts a Hit
in the event of a wyvern or something with multiple barrages, you can count up say, 20 hits against 4 models in a 10 model squad

and once wounds are generated you can then allocate wounds to the entire squad, starting of course from the unit closest to the firer/blast

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:53:49 No.43662515 Report

Quoted By:

>>43662358
It's only from the centre of the blast if it's barrage, but yeah.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 01:58:22 No.43662603 Report

Quoted By:

>>43662014
Yup, but not all of them. Many were in the webway and Emperor tried to repair it.

This info is in Visions of Heresy btw, if you want to read it.

1. Emperor is repairing Webway
2. Magnus sends message
3. Seals/Wards broken, Custodes and SoS become overwhelmed and are pushed back
4. Manage to seal some rents but many get bigger
5. Emperor orders the guys to go get Magnus, sends Custodes to show it's serious shit and SoS for the 1k guys
6. Webway is eventually sealed off and the gate is maintained by Emperor
7. Malcador switches for the Emperor when Emperor goes to fight Horus
8. Emperor comes back, Malcador is dead, but saved some energy to give it to Emperor in order for the Emperor to speak
9. Emperor says some shit like "Be vigilant" and stuff.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:09:42 No.43662780 Report

Quoted By: >>43662820 >>43662854 >>43662949

I have a thought, /tg/. I want to try and write a breakdown of the weapon strengths of 40k, and how they break down vs enemy toughness. This might help players understand how much weapon strength is necessary for a given purpose, and how much is too much, or not enough.

>S1 & S2
I'm not even sure this exists. Wouldn't even wound Guardsmen reliably. MEQ ignores it completely.
>S3
A lasgun. Wounds Guardsmen on 4's, MEQ on 5's, and MC's almost never. Easily doubled out by higher-end beatstick units and does nothing at all to vehicles. Only really useful in large numbers.
>S4
A boltgun. Reliably wounds Guardsmen, gives some trouble to MEQ; not so good against MC's. Still useless against vehicles.
>S5
A heavy bolter. Starting to hurt things now. Will roll 2's vs Guardsmen and 3's vs MEQ. Performs decently against MC's but nothing to write home about. You CAN hurt light vehicles with this, but it doesn't mean you should.
>S6
A krak grenade. Pulps Guardsmen with Instant Death, and gives MEQ serious trouble. Performs decently against MC's, but not as great against vehicles.
>S7
An autocannon. Now we're talking. Sometimes called the 'golden number', this is enough to ID GEQs and rolls 2's vs almost everything else with a toughness score. Can give light vehicles of AV 10 and 11 a bad time; 12 and 13 are TECHNICALLY vulnerable, but you shouldn't count on it.
>S8
A krak missile. ID's MEQs and Necrons. This is the lowest strength you need to damage ANYTHING, and is really only functionally useless against heavy and super-heavy vehicles.
>S9
A battle cannon. Mulches everything with a toughness score and can beat light, medium, and (with luck) heavy vehicles into submission. Sadly only appears on expensive units and vehicles.
>S10
A demolisher cannon. The big daddy. This isas strong as you can get with sheer power; any infantry, even some MC's fear instant death from this. You'll have to drop some serious points to get this kind of power; be sure it goes to good use.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:11:54 No.43662820 Report

Quoted By: >>43662945

>>43662780
>I'm not even sure this exists. Wouldn't even wound Guardsmen reliably
Lots of poison weapons are S2

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:14:18 No.43662854 Report

Quoted By: >>43662945

>>43662780
Useful, but AP is the key stat on a weapon, in my eyes. People see "Oo Strength 10", but let's just say it has AP6 or -. It's going to be saved by armour.

AP2 is the golden number. AP3 will do well against most things. AP1 is on rare weapons and unfortunately, glances > penetration. It's easier to glance something to death than it is to penetrate and one hit it. Which is a real shame.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:18:50 No.43662945 Report

Quoted By: >>43663016

>>43662820

Ah, you got me. I was more working from the principle of weapons without special powers that affect their to-wound roll.

>>43662854
Entirely true. A plasma gun has the same strength as an autocannon, but performs far better against everything thanks to it's improved AP. I was just trying to cover strength. Should I write a table for AP?

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:19:01 No.43662949 Report

Quoted By: >>43663016 >>43663313

>>43662780
Battle cannons are S8. Earthshakers are 9

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:19:58 No.43662961 Report

Quoted By: >>43663016 >>43663021

does the standard IG codex have access to anything with Instant Death?

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:23:24 No.43663016 Report

Quoted By:

>>43662945
Yeah, do one for AP.

Also >>43662949

>>43662961
Don't think so.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:23:34 No.43663021 Report

Quoted By:

>>43662961

No, for the most part they just make do with high-strength Ordnance weapons. The Armored Battlegroup list can take Instant Death shells for Leman Russ Vanquishers, though. The same tank can also take the Ryza-pattern turret with coaxial machine gun, which can twin-link the main gun, natch.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:28:24 No.43663114 Report

Quoted By: >>43663177

>>43660387
>>Riptides
>Blastmasters for days.

Uh... What?
>2+ armor
>JSJ
>72" range gun
>5 wounds

How are 4 Ignores Cover krak missiles going to take that down? If they were even in range, what with the Riptide outranging them by half, 4 shots isn't nearly enough to make it start failing its save. It'd take most of a game for them to bring down even one.

Aside from wounding on 2s, the Blastmaster has literally nothing on Riptides. Shit, it'd do better against Wraithknight, which rarely has a cover save to begin with.

If you're a lucky motherfucker you'll pin it, but don't bet on killing it.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:31:59 No.43663177 Report

Quoted By: >>43663238

>>43663114
You can't pin monstrous creatures.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:35:33 No.43663238 Report

Quoted By:

>>43663177
Well, shit. Forgot 7th changed that, so thanks I guess. Even so, that's even less they can do, then.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:36:50 No.43663256 Report

Quoted By:

>>43660209
Fast can shoot 2 at cruising and all at combat

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:40:23 No.43663313 Report

Quoted By: >>43663352

>>43662949

DAMN! Well, I feel dumb. Anyway...

>AP6
A frag grenade, the weakest AP there is. Works against guants, and not much else. Better than nothing.
>AP5
A boltgun. Good for Guardsmen and most blob units. Get this on your blast and high-ROF weapons for superior mulching power.
>AP4
A heavy bolter. Good for Tempestus Scions and Necron Warriors. A good mid-range AP. Not excellent, and not terrible.
>AP3
A krak missile. Now we're talking. This will punch through the ceramite plates of a Space Marine. Doesn't show up often (unless you're Militarum Tempestus, in which case it's EVERYWHERE), but very nice when it does. High-RoF weapons with this, such as the Avenger Bolt Cannon and Vulcan Mega-Bolter, are some of the most-feared weapons on the table.
>AP2
A plasma gun. This is what it takes to punch through Terminator armor, and as a bonus offers additional penetrating damage against vehicles; this is the kind of AP you need to make a vehicle actually explode. As far as beating saves goes, this is the top of the range. There IS better, but against everything except vehicles, you won't need it.
>AP1
A meltagun. This is the kind of weapon that straight up doesn't care. A foot of ceramite? Nope, don't care. C'Tan reality-warping powe-NO I DON'T THINK YOU HEARD ME, I HAVE A MELTAGUN. Penetrate a vehicle with this and you have a one-in-three chance of it exploding.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:42:18 No.43663352 Report

Quoted By: >>43663392 >>43663395

>>43663313
>AP4
>A heavy bolter. Good for Tempestus Scions and Necron Warriors. A good mid-range AP. Not excellent, and not terrible.

Necron warriors are 3+ I believe.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:43:50 No.43663392 Report

Quoted By: >>43663423

>>43663352
They're 4+ since Ward update

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Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:44:07 No.43663395 Report

Quoted By: >>43663423 >>43663470

>>43663352

No, that's Immortals. Warriors are 4+.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:45:24 No.43663423 Report

Quoted By:

>>43663395
>>43663392
Dayum, my bad.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:47:59 No.43663470 Report

Quoted By: >>43663527 >>43663577

>>43663395
What the fuck with the names on everything in that image?

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:50:32 No.43663527 Report

Quoted By: >>43663577

>>43663470
Old playtest versions from back in 5e. I have no fucking clue why he has them now.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:53:18 No.43663577 Report

Quoted By: >>43663597 >>43663599 >>43663611

>>43663527
>>43663470

WHOOPS, wrong image. Well, immortals ARE 4+.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:54:23 No.43663597 Report

Quoted By: >>43663611

>>43663577
Nope they are 3+.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:54:35 No.43663599 Report

Quoted By: >>43663611

>>43663577
>Well, immortals ARE 4+.
Immortals have literally never been 4+. Even when Warriors were a 3+, back in 3e, Immortals were also 3+.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:55:28 No.43663611 Report

Quoted By: >>43663631

>>43663577
>>43663597
>>43663599

Oh good LORD I need to go to bed. I meant WARRIORS are 4+, IMMORTALS are 3+.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 02:56:44 No.43663631 Report

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>>43663611
get your rest, anon. We'll be here tomorrow.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 03:13:46 No.43663932 Report

Quoted By: >>43664008 >>43664709

What are your guys thoughts on these third party jump packs? Was thinking of buying some for my Betrayal at Calth dudes but wanted something more interesting than the standard Assault Marine ones. Apparently its like 7 pounds for 5.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 03:18:30 No.43664008 Report

Quoted By: >>43664054

>>43663932
Looks techy but cool. More sleek than the GW packs. Sauce? I'd like to see them painted.

Anonymous Mon 16 Nov 2015 03:21:10 No.43664054

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