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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 03:21:30 2017 No.54260479 View View Reply Original Report

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>Unearthed Arcana: Greyhawk Initiative
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>Previous thread:
>>54256406

Unearthed Arcana will be focusing on subsystems for the next few months. What subsystem of the game are you most excited for Mike Mearls to work on next?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 03:24:06 No.54260517 Report

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>>54260479
Death and dying. Mostly because the current rules are boring and hitting 0 isn't punishing enough when the Paladin/cleric can just put you back at 1 for basically nothing.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 03:30:44 No.54260620 Report

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>>54260517
>Mostly because the current rules are boring and hitting 0 isn't punishing enough when the Paladin/cleric can just put you back at 1 for basically nothing.
This has been a problem as long as D&D has had 0 hit points not be instant death.

In 3.5e you die if you take just 10 points of damage past 0, but any healing above 0 puts you back at normal capacity.

In 4e you make the same death saving throws but it still had negative hit points, but you are still back to full capacity.

People are always nervous about implementing death spiral stuff from other systems into D&D, and for good reason.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 03:31:41 No.54260637 Report

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>>54260479
>3 threads currently in catalog
Fucking stop.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 03:38:00 No.54260734 Report

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>>54260620
>In 4e you make the same death saving throws but it still had negative hit points, but you are still back to full capacity.

In 4e healing is very limited though.

Your leader has 2-3 heals and that's basically it.

In 5e, you have as many heals as 1st level slots at least.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 03:53:09 No.54260976 Report

Quoted By: >>54261798

Last thread was a shitfest.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:03:22 No.54261119 Report

Quoted By: >>54262210

Playing revised kensei. Whats a better pick whip or longsword proficiency at level 3?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:03:28 No.54261121 Report

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Is an elder elemental a viable patron for a Warlock?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:04:48 No.54261141 Report

Quoted By: >>54261156 >>54261168 >>54261202 >>54261242 >>54261277 >>54261335 >>54261580 >>54264519 >>54265471 >>54265784

What would a senile old wizard name a construct he built to cook his meals for him?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:05:02 No.54261145 Report

Quoted By: >>54261196

Wee Jas is a silly name for a god.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:05:50 No.54261156 Report

Quoted By: >>54263075

>>54261141

The Iron Chef.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:06:18 No.54261165 Report

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>>54260479
I've heard him talk about design on a few podcasts. He's well spoken to the point that it's not surprising how he got where he is. I've heard he's got some major DMing chops too, as of that live stream event they did not long ago.

But I'll be damned if he doesn't look like some cliched and very unflattering example of "lead tabletop RPG designer" that you would see in some piece of media or another.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:06:22 No.54261168 Report

Quoted By: >>54266236

>>54261141
Rock

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:08:35 No.54261192 Report

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In a setting where a lot of climbing and exploration is to be expected, what are so good magic items to give the players?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:08:47 No.54261196 Report

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>>54261145
Agreed. Made the mistake of making mention of him as a potential threat. Didn't even make it a whole session before I needed a new name instead. Fucking "weedass"

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:09:18 No.54261202 Report

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>>54261141
Jesse

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:09:42 No.54261205 Report

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Mearls is going to be what kills 5e and causes another Pathfinder situation.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:10:59 No.54261221 Report

Quoted By: >>54261253 >>54261267 >>54261383 >>54264308

>Weapon breakage
Could it be...
Dark Sun?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:12:36 No.54261238 Report

Quoted By: >>54264871

>>54260479
I feel like exploration could stand to be revamped. It currently comes down to "I roll perception to search the room" and auto-ignoring difficult terrain. Surely there's a way to make Ranger-ing more meaningful without people just wanting to flat out skip those parts of the game.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:12:42 No.54261242 Report

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>>54261141
Mr. Stone Stove

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:13:27 No.54261253 Report

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>>54261221
How do bard instruments not break all the time anyway?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:14:21 No.54261267 Report

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>>54261221
>fucking the martials even more!
welp

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:14:34 No.54261268 Report

Quoted By: >>54261352 >>54261501

Whatbtype of action is putting away a weapon and then equipping another?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:15:03 No.54261277 Report

Quoted By: >>54261421

>>54261141
A different name every time he spoke to it

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:19:46 No.54261335 Report

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>>54261141
Is the construct just a cook or does it already come with a built-in stove, refrigerator, blender and other general kitchen appliances?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:20:14 No.54261344 Report

Quoted By: >>54261428 >>54261508 >>54265535

How would you guys do gestalt in 5e? I was just thinking about it and I don't think there's a way to do it without breaking things way more than gestalt usually would.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:20:57 No.54261352 Report

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>>54261268
Drawing a weapon can be done as part of an attack. Putting a weapon away (not just dropping it) is an action.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:22:41 No.54261376 Report

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>>54261121
yes

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:23:04 No.54261383 Report

Quoted By: >>54261820 >>54261852

>>54261221
Well, they're definitely going to leap into either Dark Sun or Eberron after the Mystic makes it through its development pipeline (though obviously Eberron would need the Artificer to be in a good place too).

I'm hoping for some sort of setting omnibus with three or four settings in it. A 30-40 page write-up of each setting complimented by a list of all the rule variants to use out of the DMG and/or Xanathar's Guide, and boom, you're off to the races.
It'd probably presented by Elminster, a well known reality hopper and a natural bridge from FR. If not him, then tie it to Planescape.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:23:24 No.54261388 Report

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>>54261335
Just a cook. He's a Warforged.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:25:14 No.54261411 Report

Quoted By: >>54261421 >>54261442 >>54261483

>>54261388
Nah, he's a Kitchenforged.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:25:57 No.54261421 Report

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>>54261411
>>54261277
heheheh

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:26:28 No.54261428 Report

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>>54261344
Perhaps a free level in another class, every so often.
Ultimately depends on what exactly you want to accomplish.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:27:07 No.54261437 Report

Quoted By: >>54261553 >>54261561 >>54265711

Why wait for Mearls? I made this so we won't have to!

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:27:21 No.54261442 Report

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>>54261411
Nah he's me, Bender!

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:30:21 No.54261483 Report

Quoted By: >>54261514 >>54261582

>>54261411
>>54261442
That's about what I was going for.

I still don't know what class to make him.

I've narrowed it down to bard and barbarian. I think bard fits better but I don't want the +1 strength Warforged get to go to waste.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:31:42 No.54261501 Report

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>>54261268
You get one free item interaction per turn. Drawing and stowing a weapon both qualify for this. Any additional item interactions require your action.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:32:11 No.54261508 Report

Quoted By: >>54261580

>>54261344
Only apply ASIs from a single class.
Other than that, it should be simpler than ever, since BAB no longer exists.
The only issue you'd have it spell slots. The best solution is not to gestalt two spellcasters. If gestalting a full caster with a half-caster (or whatever), use whichever gives you more spell slots.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:32:52 No.54261514 Report

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>>54261483
Fighter would make the most sense, unless you want to go warlock or druid.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:32:48 No.54261515 Report

Quoted By: >>54261548

This is pretty a pretty good homebrew, but I do wish there was an official well put together Strength Monk.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:33:35 No.54261525 Report

Quoted By: >>54261568

Divination Wizard's Portent at 2nd level seems awfully OP. Is it?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:34:31 No.54261537 Report

Quoted By: >>54261590

>>54261514
I can't play fighter. I don't know why. Every time I try to make one I just lose interest halfway through making the character sheet and I never look back.

How would warlock or druid fit, in your opinion? I'm not arguing with you, I really want to know. I think a case could be made for most classes, honestly. Chef is a pretty broad thing.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:35:21 No.54261548 Report

Quoted By: >>54261593

>>54261515
Please stop posting this shit. It honestly almost makes me think you're just whoever made it.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:35:47 No.54261553 Report

Quoted By: >>54261561

>>54261437
...I'm a bad person for actually liking this right?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:36:26 No.54261561 Report

Quoted By: >>54261620 >>54263373

>>54261437
Minor corrections - Sensible THAC0 should be 20 - proficiency modifier.

>>54261553
I see no evidence for your fears.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:36:57 No.54261568 Report

Quoted By: >>54265570

>>54261525
It's certainly strong, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it overpowered. Fun and effective, feels good to use, but it doesn't break anything or make any other characters less empowered by existing.

And usually the good rolls are better off being used on friends rather than yourself, anyways.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:37:23 No.54261580 Report

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>>54261141
Every time he refers to him either make up a name, have a generator, or roll 1d20:
1: Alfred
2: Geoffrey
3: Jeeves
4: Giles
5: Higgins
6: Jarvis
7: Symthe
8: Jenkins
9: Edwin
10: Winston
11: Raymond
12: Sebastian
13: Smithers
14: George
15: Edgar
16: Barnabus
17: Roland
18: Theodore
19: Percival
20: Hobbes

>>54261508
That's not bad although it would give way too much advantage to throwing fighter on for the ASIs. I also think it may be best to take the better of anything with casting (i.e. if one half of the gestalt gives more spells at a level take that for that level and if one half is pure warlock then short rests regain spells).

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:37:43 No.54261582 Report

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>>54261483
valor bard?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:38:15 No.54261590 Report

Quoted By: >>54261625 >>54261762

>>54261537
I feel like a warforged, or warforged servant is kind of limited in what he would be able to accomplish on his own. Going from butler to barbarian feels really odd but I guess you can write anything. Warforged fighter just feels natural to me.
The cool thing about becoming a warlock is it can happen to pretty much everyone and druid feels more like a spiritual awakening than any other class.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:38:22 No.54261593 Report

Quoted By: >>54261605 >>54261617 >>54261921

>>54261548
I'm pretty sure that unless someone requests something specific, nobody ever posts anyone else's homebrew.
For example, the last time this anon posted his Pugilist, I retorted by making unarmed archetypes for other classes, which is what he should have done to begin with. And as implied, I will now shill them as well.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:39:42 No.54261605 Report

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>>54261593
kys my man

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:40:45 No.54261617 Report

Quoted By: >>54261647

>>54261593
heyyy I remember telling you that I thought you should give the brawler unarmed defense, back in the glory days

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:40:55 No.54261620 Report

Quoted By: >>54261647

>>54261561
I feel dirty... but maybe I'd put Warlock in Priest and Monk in Warrior. Something about actually having Fighty guys better at attacking then other classes feels reasonable.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:41:12 No.54261622 Report

Quoted By: >>54261650

>>54261605
Eventually.
But don't worry, I'm not going to post this twice a day like PugilistFag. In fact, if other people get mad, I'll remove it from this thread. I truly don't want to be a nuisance.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:41:31 No.54261625 Report

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>>542615821
Valor bard was something I considered but if I'm being honest I don't know a whole lot about it. I considered having the "great hero" he draws his inspiration from just be the shitty wizard who slapped him together.

>>54261590
I was going to flavor the barbarian rage as going into a sort of culinary trance when he's met with an enemy. Like a sort of programming that takes hold as soon as he's faced with something he's meant to cook.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:43:21 No.54261647 Report

Quoted By: >>54261788 >>54263596

>>54261620
As specified in the FAQ, classes that didn't exist in 2e aren't going to fare well in a system designed to emulate it.
That said, it's a fucking homebrew. Do whatever you want - your ruling is as valid as mine.

>>54261617
Of course I remember, anon! Good times.
I'm still trying to think of a better Bear Warrior capstone, though, if you've got any thoughts on that.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:43:40 No.54261650 Report

Quoted By: >>54261705

>>54261622
It's no big deal. What are they going to do, complain?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:45:34 No.54261666 Report

Quoted By: >>54261688 >>54261696 >>54261705

Party just beat the biggest crime lord of a major city. He slowly rose to power after stealing a dwarven magical sword and impressing underlings and enemies with his 'combat prowess'
The PCs now have this sword.
Is this too strong for a level 7?

Master Rapier
Every weapon that meets it in combat rings in subservience to it.
+1 to atk and dmg rolls
Once per long rest, you can use your reaction to cast Blade Ward but the spell's duration lasts for a number of rounds equal to your proficiency modifier

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:47:20 No.54261688 Report

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>>54261666
Nope. That's fine for a low-mid level magical weapon.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:47:50 No.54261696 Report

Quoted By: >>54261705 >>54261723

>>54261666
The only real problem is
>dwarven sword
>rapier

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:48:23 No.54261705 Report

Quoted By: >>54261723

>>54261650
Yes, but see, I have low self-esteem and I don't like bothering people.

>>54261666
>>54261696
This tbhfam

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:49:56 No.54261723 Report

Quoted By: >>54261762

>>54261705
>>54261696
Fuck that's true. Longsword it is then

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:53:28 No.54261762 Report

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>>54261723
For added dwarven flavor, call it a broadsword (but use longsword stats).

>>54261590
>Warforged druid
>Spiritual awakening
Pic related????

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:53:48 No.54261769 Report

Quoted By: >>54261808 >>54265424

I kinda hate the initiative ua, only for that it doesn't account for Dexterity.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:54:59 No.54261788 Report

Quoted By: >>54261808

>>54261647
>if you've got any thoughts on that.
I've looked over the capstone, among other barb capstone, but I've not played any high level games so I'm just spit balling. Some ideas have are, make the dealing of STRmod+rage automatic, no bonus action, while keeping the second current benefit, so to keep that free BA relevant. Maybe be able to attempt to grapple as a reaction on a missed attack?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:55:50 No.54261798 Report

Quoted By: >>54262201 >>54264205 >>54265601

>>54260976
I don't understand why people see "Oh here's the 5E thread full of people that like 5E. That must be the perfect place to shit on it."

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:56:34 No.54261807 Report

Quoted By: >>54261927 >>54265755

Hey guys, how about instead of the initiative system, which is already bad, or this Mearls initiative which is worse, how about this:

When combat starts, roll a d20. If you roll your Dex score or under, you go before the monsters. If you roll over it, you go after them.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:56:34 No.54261808 Report

Quoted By: >>54261849

>>54261769
It's based on rules from the era of minute-long rounds. Using dexterity, the attribute of quick reactions, didn't make sense back then.
That said, it's questionable whether it makes sense now. Being quick is not the same as being decisive.

>>54261788
Those are good spitballs. I especially like grappling on a missed attack.
>Man attacks bear
>Sword stuck in hide, harmlessly
>Bear grabs man
Let me see what I can cook up.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:57:09 No.54261820 Report

Quoted By: >>54263596 >>54265461

>>54261383
What 3-4 settings would you like to see anon?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:59:25 No.54261849 Report

Quoted By: >>54261896

>>54261808
>I especially like grappling on a missed attack.
Thank you, got the idea from the berserker archetype, which can make a reaction attack when it takes damage

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 04:59:34 No.54261852 Report

Quoted By: >>54261878

>>54261383
I'm not a fan of the setting omnibus idea, simply because they've already shown that they can write a whole goddamn book on the Sword Coast.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:01:37 No.54261878 Report

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>>54261852
In addition, they also want to add on to existing lore. The problem with 3.5 and 4e was that they wrote like one handbook for a setting that just regurgitated the fluff from 1e and 2e.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:03:36 No.54261896 Report

Quoted By: >>54261944

>>54261849
Actually, the berserker raises a good point. Barbarians aren't about avoiding damage. I think it might make more sense to make the reaction grapple when hit than when missed.
And then for some icing, grapple as an opportunity attack.
Something like:

Bear's Frenzy

At 14th level, the spirit of the bear takes you over so completely that it produces minor physical changes in your body while you rage. When you make an unarmed attack, you can choose to deal slashing or piercing damage in place of bludgeoning damage.

Additionally, when an enemy hits you with a melee attack or leaves the reach of your unarmed attacks, you can make a grapple attempt against that enemy as a reaction.

>Firefox autocorrects "berserker" to "berserk"
>TFW backwards etymology wins out over the original term

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:05:45 No.54261921 Report

Quoted By: >>54262021

>>54261593
Any hope for a Paladin or Ranger Unarmed Archetype? I'd love to see those, you seem to have a good grasp on 5e design.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:06:20 No.54261927 Report

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>>54261807
D6 and modifier is better.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:07:31 No.54261944 Report

Quoted By: >>54262021 >>54262436

>>54261896
>Actually, the berserker raises a good point. Barbarians aren't about avoiding damage.
That's a good idea, didn't think of that, I did like the imagery of your example though, so maybe just, makes a melee attack against you be the trigger? That might raise some balance concerns though. However the average barb will only have two hands for grappling, so maybe not

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:11:26 No.54261984 Report

Quoted By: >>54262002 >>54262089 >>54262245 >>54262652

Would a STR based valor bard be at all viable or would I be gimping myself by not going DEX?

Also, what class would pair well with a stone sorcerer?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:12:34 No.54262002 Report

Quoted By: >>54262034

>>54261984
1. On a grapple build, just have 14 DEX though
2. Maybe Hexblade?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:13:30 No.54262021 Report

Quoted By: >>54262098 >>54262436 >>54263178

>>54261944
>Man attacks bear with sword
>Bear roars in anger, ignoring sword
>Bear grabs man and crushes him
Still works!

>>54261921
Aw shucks.
I was actually considering those two, but wanted to focus on the most important ones (in my opinion) first. But I absolutely wouldn't mind working on ranger and paladin as well, if I had a good fluff/mechanical niche concept for them.
For the paladin, I can see a "holy fist" archetype, based around unarmored defense and unarmed smiting. The main problem is that paladin archetypes are oath-related, and I'm not sure what the oath here would be.
For the ranger, I'm drawing a blank on both fluff and mechanical direction.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:14:51 No.54262034 Report

Quoted By: >>54262078 >>54262149

>>54262002
What about grappling makes a str-based valor bard work, exactly?

Is it just that grappling is strong in general?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:18:17 No.54262078 Report

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>>54262034
Well it would be optimal to grappling build, because you take expertise in athletics so you have good chances to grapple enemies and prone them. Since they're grappled they can't get up from bring prone without breaking the grapple, you immobilize one target and give all melee combatants adv. to hit them.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:19:19 No.54262089 Report

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>>54261984
you could do a str bard, but outside of grapple memes with athletics expertise they just benefit less from strength than they do other stats

valor and sword bards only get medium armor prof, so you're most likely going to want 14 dex anyway for the ac

valor bard does better with bows because they can grab swift quiver, while everything sword bards do is limited to 1-handers that are as good dex as str

theres nothing stopping you from doing a valor bard using a 2hander, haste, and pam/gwm, but why not just be a paladin or even stone sorc at that point?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:20:29 No.54262098 Report

Quoted By: >>54262122

>>54262021
>The main problem is that paladin archetypes are oath-related, and I'm not sure what the oath here would be.
I'd also imagine that any oath based off of unarmed fighting for paladins would be oozing monk flavor as well, with asceticism and all that

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:22:37 No.54262122 Report

Quoted By: >>54262184

>>54262098
Yeah. Honestly, with how the paladin is currently set up, it would make more sense to make a monk archetype with paladin abilities than the other way round.
Like, ki smiting or something.
Hmm...
Then again, maybe something like "Oath of Perfection" could work, but it's a bit goofy.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:25:41 No.54262149 Report

Quoted By: >>54262191

>>54262034
Grappling is strong, but you need to meet a few conditions to use it effectively:

- You should be STR-focused.
- You should have Expertise in Athletics.
- You should have a source of STR check Advantage.
- You should have Extra Attack.

Valor Bard is the only single-class that meets all those conditions. Now, Barbarian dipping Rogue or vice versa can do it better (as Rage advantage is reliant on Concentration + it provides damage resistance, Cunning Action aids mobility, and Sneak Attack improves 1h damage), but Valor Bard is functional.

That said, if you want to actually be effective in combat outside of that tactic, Valor Bard doesn't really offer much by itself... DEX-based works, as you can poach Swift Quiver with your 10th level Magical Secrets (con: not until 10th level), as does a Paladin multiclass where you only dip two levels for the Fighting Style + Divine Smite, but I reckon that's about it for any primarily-Bard build.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:26:01 No.54262155 Report

Quoted By: >>54262227 >>54264626

>currently thinking up other characters I want to make for the hell of it while my necromancer doctor is on standby during the pause in weekly sessions.

>Want to make a dwarf possessed by a fey mood, collabing with whatever dm is stick with him to make some elemental item of a sort, decide to go with fighter and go to eldritch knight because he would assume making something attuned to the elements would require a bit of magic.

> Also think it would be interesting if he still runs in to creative blockages because of an unquiet mind from constant fucking vision dreams, so start looking for a class that might be interesting to multi in to if it ever gets there for him to learn to keep himself level. End up going with monk and WOT4E because it ends up fitting rather well with what I'm trying to do with him.

>Mfw It takes me a moment to realize I've made a build desperately trying to be a caster in a matrial body AND is more than likely utterly shit

>Still want to do it anyway because it would make for a fun character and story to play out

Tell me /tg/, when are the times you chose the unoptimal dumbass option because you wanted to do story stuff.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:28:14 No.54262184 Report

Quoted By: >>54262265

>>54262122
>it would make more sense to make a monk archetype with paladin abilities
sounds like a much better idea, than a paladin with monk abilities
>"Oath of Perfection"
I was thinking maybe Oath of Humility

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:28:41 No.54262191 Report

Quoted By: >>54262674

>>54262149
Hmm, that makes sense. Thanks for the info.

I'm not even really stuck on bard necessarily. I'm just playing a race with a STR modifier and I'd hate to see it go to waste, but I really don't have any fun playing things like barbarian or fighter. I get bored easily and I hate having to commit my entire build to being half as useful as a wizard or a sorcerer that isn't even optimizing.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:29:23 No.54262201 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261798
Today I will remind them.
your game sucks

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:29:51 No.54262210 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261119
Longsword because d10 >>> d4

Get whip later once your martial arts is at least a d6

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:30:59 No.54262227 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262155
I'm playing an Aasimar Barbarian because I want to do shit with reconciling the wild spirituality of the Barbarian Tribe and the Celestial Heritage.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:32:28 No.54262245 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261984
Are you taking 14 dex for medium armor at least? If you don't want to do that, the Heavily Armored feat is an option. Extra useful if your strength score is an odd number.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:33:39 No.54262265 Report

Quoted By: >>54262308

>>54262184
>Oath of Humility
Ooh, that sounds a lot less douchey. A sort of noble oath of poverty/respect towards others.
I'll see if I can think of some decent class features.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:33:57 No.54262273 Report

Quoted By: >>54262325

What class kill fiend fast?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:36:04 No.54262308 Report

Quoted By: >>54262334 >>54262354 >>54262372

>>54262265
Except there's already a UA Paladin archetype that's about humility or something. They don't wear armor and they only use simple weapons. Can't remember the name of it...

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:37:06 No.54262325 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262273
Baladen :-D:-D

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:37:43 No.54262334 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262308
Oath of Redemption

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:38:15 No.54262346 Report

Quoted By: >>54262451

>we're going to be focusing more on subsystems, less on new options
Oh boy, the thing they can't get right because 5e's design goal is to be so simple everyone's brains turn into mush.
I'd rather get more archetypes thought up in five minutes, at least those are hit and miss.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:38:53 No.54262354 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262308
"Commoner"

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:39:51 No.54262372 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262308
Ah well. Everything I was coming up with was more monk-like anyway.
Maybe I'll just make the smitin' monk archetype instead.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:41:03 No.54262389 Report

Quoted By: >>54262435

Which build is more of a meme, warlock/paladin with shillelagh or sorcerer/paladin spamming divine smite?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:44:09 No.54262435 Report

Quoted By: >>54262531

>>54262389
sorcerer/paladin because it's actually good

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:44:08 No.54262436 Report

Quoted By: >>54262467

>>54262021
>>54261944

Does anybody know why when I "get PDF" on homebrewery it comes out black and white instead of having the 5e background? Is it because I'm using Microsoft print-to-PDF, or am I missing a setting?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:45:01 No.54262451 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262346
better be careful or else someone's gonna call you a buildfag

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:45:52 No.54262466 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261267
Dark Sun fucks casters pretty well too

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:45:54 No.54262467 Report

Quoted By: >>54262726

>>54262436
>Microsoft print-to-PDF
Did you check the options? There's a checkbox for background graphics.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:47:51 No.54262494 Report

Quoted By:

How this spell list look? Is for a halfcaster focused on utility with divine, divination and enchantment as main schools, with option of fire or radiant damage and a little of healing.
What should I take out or put in? The theme is a medium and/or priest.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:49:09 No.54262511 Report

Quoted By: >>54262579

Is this a fair estimate of how long it would take from A to B, considering parts of it are by foot, some with a boat and some with a wagon, as well as difficult terrain?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:50:31 No.54262531 Report

Quoted By: >>54262560

>>54262435
Does bard/paladin work too? Or is there something special about sorcerer?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:52:59 No.54262560 Report

Quoted By: >>54262599

>>54262531
bard/paladin is also good

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:54:02 No.54262579 Report

Quoted By: >>54262624

>>54262511
Do people actually care about realistic travel times? I'm not saying you shouldn't, but at least our party just want's to get there and not bother with small details.
As long as it's consistent there's no problem.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:55:08 No.54262599 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262560
Bardaladin?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:55:16 No.54262602 Report

Quoted By:

What are some character ideas you think would be fun but you haven't had the chance to play them yet?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:56:45 No.54262624 Report

Quoted By: >>54265677

>>54262579
I'm using the official rules and tried to be consistent in when and where to use a vehicle, and when to walk.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 05:58:33 No.54262652 Report

Quoted By: >>54262733

>>54261984
Hexblade for sure.
But another fun combo is to take a level or 3 (depends on the build) of Bard. You get a couple extra cantrips, and a ton new useful spells.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:00:02 No.54262668 Report

Quoted By: >>54262690 >>54262692 >>54262741

Let's see.

Tabaxi Fighter 2/Barbarian 5/Monk 10/Moon Druid 2/Alchemist Artificer 1. Take the Mobile feat. Have a spellcasting friend that knows Haste.

30 (tabaxi base speed)
+10 from Barbarian (Fast Movement)
+20 from Monk (Unarmored Movement)
+10 (cast Longstrider on yourself from your Druid levels)
+20 (drink a Swift Step Draught from Artificer)
+10 (Mobile)
+30 (boon of speed)
+30 (wild shape into a warhorse, wild shape explicitly lets you use features you gain from your class and race)
(Our land speed is currently sitting at 160)
+160 (dash as a bonus action using Step of the Wind from monk)
+480 (dash as an action three times using your normal action, Action Surge, and Haste from a friend)

That leaves us with 800, which we are going to double three times (once from being a tabaxi, once from Haste, and once from our Boots of Speed), leaving us with 6400. This is about 727 miles per hour, which is about 40 mph short of breaking the sound barrier.

IS THERE ANYWAY TO GET FASTER THAN THIS?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:00:14 No.54262674 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262191
Well, what race are you using, and what is it that you wish to do with it? Gish?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:01:44 No.54262690 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262668
Yes, it is.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:02:02 No.54262692 Report

Quoted By: >>54262704

>>54262668
You can't wear the Boots of Speed as a horse, can you?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:02:59 No.54262704 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262692
horseshoes of speed?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:03:36 No.54262708 Report

Quoted By: >>54262726 >>54262732 >>54262749 >>54265868

I'm new to DnD, is this an overpowered class? Any standout reason a DM would choose not to allow it? I'm 99% sure it's a homebrew thing.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:05:11 No.54262726 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262467
For some reason, the only options I see are for paper size and orientation (including when I press "advanced").

>>54262708
>overpowered
Not particularly
>reason a DM would choose not to allow it
It's literally a joke archetype and the DM may dislike the flavor it brings with it

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:05:49 No.54262732 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262708
Only 99%? It says that it's homebrew in the credits box...

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:05:49 No.54262733 Report

Quoted By: >>54262761 >>54262793

>>54262652
Is hexblade str based or dex based?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:06:43 No.54262741 Report

Quoted By: >>54262756

>>54262668
Now grapple an enemy and drag him back and forth through Spike Growth for several thousand magical piercing damage

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:07:19 No.54262749 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262708
It's not really overpowered, at least not until level 18 and effectively getting Unlimited HP Works from Aura of Solidarity. Even then, I wouldn't put it that much above other paladins, which are a very strong class. The issue is with flavor

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:07:32 No.54262756 Report

Quoted By: >>54262774

>>54262741
But he has no burrowing speed?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:07:45 No.54262761 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262733
It's whatever you want it to be, baby.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:08:47 No.54262774 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262756
Oh, it's you again.

How's the family?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:10:15 No.54262793 Report

Quoted By: >>54262851

>>54262733
Hexblade's CHA based.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:16:55 No.54262851 Report

Quoted By: >>54262873 >>54262874

>>54262793
Lame. My character has the charisma of a dead animal.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:18:08 No.54262863 Report

Quoted By: >>54266035

How should a wizard go about permanently capturing demon lords as prizes? Failing that, how should a wizard go about permanently killing them?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:18:20 No.54262867 Report

Quoted By: >>54262890 >>54262896 >>54262927 >>54263017

What should the stats for scythe arms be?

Ideally I'd like to add interesting effects to all of them like the "break shit with fists" without getting to effects on par with magic items, so stuff that can be replicated by mundane items, but the Pike arm is already probably too strong with Reach.

Maybe the scythes can give a climb speed of 10 feet on surfaces it can bite into with the "hand" part?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:19:46 No.54262873 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262851
Hexblades are designed to use charisma, but most of their stuff is not dependent on it. You'll mostly lose the +cha to dmg bonuses and shit, you could still use your weapon with either str or dex.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:19:47 No.54262874 Report

Quoted By: >>54262951

>>54262851
Are you talking about your sorcerer or bard? Either way that makes no sense since CHA is the main stat for both those classes

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:21:10 No.54262890 Report

Quoted By: >>54262987

>>54262867
Scythes are not weapons. Advantage on farming checks.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:21:34 No.54262896 Report

Quoted By: >>54262922 >>54262987

>>54262867
1d8 slashing damage, cleaves into one extra enemy within 5ft dealing slashing damage equal to str mod

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:23:54 No.54262922 Report

Quoted By: >>54262931 >>54262937

>>54262896
Anyone who thinks "cleaving" after attacking an enemy has literally never used a weapon.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:24:28 No.54262927 Report

Quoted By: >>54262987 >>54263017 >>54265730 >>54265746

>>54262867
>basically a big fucking gauntlet
>two-handed

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:24:44 No.54262931 Report

Quoted By: >>54262946

>>54262922
Please tell us about all those people you've killed with swords, anon

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:25:10 No.54262937 Report

Quoted By: >>54262946

>>54262922

anyone who thinks cleaving doesn't belong in d&d, doesn't belong in d&d

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:26:36 No.54262946 Report

Quoted By: >>54262967

>>54262931
I mean, anon has a point. There's really no such thing as a pure sideways attack that carries all the way through an enemy in a wide enough arc to hit someone else, unless you're literally doing a whirlwind dance with a claymore, which is a retarded combat technique.

>>54262937
"Belongs in D&D" since 2000, sure.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:27:44 No.54262951 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262874
Oh. Oops. I wasn't clear enough and everyone misunderstood me. Now I feel dumb.

When I said ”pairs well with" I didn't mean multiclassing. I meant in the same group as... Like a sidekick or a teammate.

My bad.

Man I feel dumb.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:28:46 No.54262967 Report

Quoted By: >>54262990

>>54262946
2000 was 17 years ago.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:30:33 No.54262987 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262890
Mantis arms is a better name really but I might as well go all out with the edgy names. "Counts as Woodcutting Tools" for cutting through trees and such could fit though.

>>54262896
STR burning blade mite b cool.

>>54262927
Mechanically speaking. Otherwise it's literally a flat-out better Maul instead of just normal Maul with some out of combat fluff.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:30:51 No.54262990 Report

Quoted By: >>54263032

>>54262967
And D&D has been around since 1974, so cleaving has existed for less than half of it. And it's a purely optional rule in 5e, too.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:33:13 No.54263017 Report

Quoted By: >>54263064

>>54262867
"Dagger" weapon deals twice the damage of a regular dagger.
And I agree with >>54262927. None of these should be "two-handed" when you have one on each hand.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:33:14 No.54263018 Report

Quoted By: >>54263104

If I'm a Paladin/Ranger can I put smite in Conjure Barrage/Volley?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:33:46 No.54263032 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262990
I'm pretty sure Fighting men could destroy multiple lesser enemies with one attack for quite a while now.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:36:01 No.54263057 Report

Quoted By: >>54263067 >>54263129

From a pure optimization standpoint which is better, fighter or barbarian?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:36:33 No.54263064 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263017
Yeah Dagger was given to me by the DM. And them being on both arms is just for fluff, functionally they're meant to be the same as normal ones, so no off-hand attacks or grappling and attacking with them.

I've been given a decent bit of leeway for making these but even still I'd rather not make anything stronger than "Normal weapon+Ribbon".

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:36:35 No.54263066 Report

Quoted By: >>54263107 >>54265824

I hate THAC0 but the idea of classes getting different attack bonuses seems interesting.

Would having it divided into the following groups be alright?

Warrior (highest): Fighter, Paladin, Ranger, Barbarian and Monk

Priest and Rogues (medium): Rogue, Cleric, Bard, Artificer and Warlock.

Mages (lowest): Wizard, Sorcerer and Druid

I planned to have it basically -1 for Mages and +1 for Warriors.

Any one know any other ideas for variant rules to use for an OotA game coming up.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:36:38 No.54263067 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263057
Yes

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:37:15 No.54263075 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261156
Amazing.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:37:45 No.54263083 Report

Quoted By:

>2000 was 47 years ago

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:40:11 No.54263104 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263018
Divine Smite: Starting at 2nd level, when you hit a creature with a MELEE WEAPON ATTACK...

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:40:50 No.54263107 Report

Quoted By: >>54263138

>>54263066
But Warlocks and Rogues are direct damage classes, anon.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:42:48 No.54263127 Report

Quoted By: >>54263260

Can someone explain to me how feats work in 5e like I am a retard?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:43:04 No.54263129 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263057
The only truly optimized martials use GWM/Shapshooter feats.

Fighter takes the cake on any Sharpshooter build, by a long shot (pun intended)

For GWM builds, Barb tends to be superior to fighter until level 11, where Fighter's extra attacks give it the edge in damage.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:43:35 No.54263138 Report

Quoted By: >>54263415

>>54263107
Yeah but Warlocks can use saving throw cantrips and Rogues have a way of securing ADV frequently.

The other option was to just make it for weapon attacks.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:46:00 No.54263162 Report

Quoted By: >>54263271 >>54263297

If a player stands up from prone and takes the dash action should their total movement be equal their usual speed (twice their speed halved) or one and a half their usual speed (half movement, then their usual speed).

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:48:15 No.54263178 Report

Quoted By: >>54263216

>>54262021
I could see unarmed ranger drawing from "spirit path" concept they used when they first tried to revise the ranger in UA- have the ranger channel the energy of different beasts into martial art forms to rip and tear into his foes

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:52:50 No.54263216 Report

Quoted By: >>54267003

>>54263178
That sorta sounds like more of a druid thing. Or even another monk archetype.
Rangers are mystical outdoorsman, not nature wizards. Any archetype has to relate to the hunter/tracker/pathfinder image to some extent.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:58:10 No.54263260 Report

Quoted By: >>54263297

>>54263127
Check with your DM if feats are allowed since, by the book, they're optional. That aside, the main way to get feats is when your class grants you an Ability Score Increase (ASI). Instead of taking the +2 or the +1/+1, you can take a feat instead.

However, like the first point, talk with your DM: a reasonable one might allow you to train for it (RP sessions, straight downtime devotion, etc.).

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 06:59:17 No.54263271 Report

Quoted By: >>54263297 >>54263640

>>54263162
First one.

Dash doubles your movement after deductions.

So halved then doubled would give them normal movement.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:02:50 No.54263297 Report

Quoted By: >>54263333 >>54263335 >>54263640

>>54263260
>A reasonable DM might give you a feat for free
Let's say a "nice" DM, because free PAM is anything but reasonable.

>>54263162
>>54263271
Standing up from prone costs "an amount of movement equal to half your speed." It does not reduce your speed.
By taking the dash action, you get to increase your movement for the turn by an amount equal to your speed.
In the case of 30 speed, you gain another 30 for a total of 60, and then use 15 to stand up. 45 left to go, baby.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:06:42 No.54263328 Report

Quoted By: >>54263377 >>54263442 >>54265896

>player wants to pick variant human cause free feat
>sure that's fine, no problem
>but you can't take any of the "obvious" feats like PAM, GWM, CBE, SS, etc...
What do you pick when the DM doesn't let you take the mechanically "superior" feats? And more importantly, is this a dick move?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:07:28 No.54263331 Report

Quoted By:

anyone have the maps made by Elven Tower ? would be great to have when running SKT module.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:07:57 No.54263333 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263297
>for free
I never said for free, though.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:08:14 No.54263335 Report

Quoted By: >>54263351 >>54263640

>>54263297
>He thinks he can cheat by breaking up dash and movement

Its all one pool with various modifiers.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:11:17 No.54263351 Report

Quoted By: >>54263367 >>54263640

>>54263335
Dash: "you gain extra movement for the current turn. This increase equals your speed."
Standing up: "costs an amount of movement equal to half your speed."
Speed =/= movement. Dash doesn't alter your speed. Standing up doesn't care about your movement left.
Go sarcastically greentext wrong interpretations somewhere else.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:13:08 No.54263367 Report

Quoted By: >>54263413 >>54263502 >>54263640

>>54263351
>Standing up doesn't care about your movement left
>Yet it costs half your movement and can't be performed if you don't have any movement left

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:14:22 No.54263373 Report

Quoted By: >>54263428

>>54261561
Anon, I love you. When can we expect the variable EXP PDF?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:14:49 No.54263377 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263328
>What do you pick when the DM doesn't let you take the mechanically "superior" feats?

Tough. Mobile. Skilled. Linguist.

>is this a dick move?

I haven't gotten any complaints but then again... I don't allow variant humans in my game and give a free feat to everyone, but I ban stuff like PAM, GWM, SS, etc. until the player's first ASI.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:17:32 No.54263400 Report

Quoted By: >>54263412

>people banning Spell Sniper but not War Caster

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:19:16 No.54263412 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263400

>he assumes War Caster isn't banned just because it wasn't listed despite posters adding "et cetera" at the end of their lists to imply more is banned than just what was listed

wew lad

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:19:17 No.54263413 Report

Quoted By: >>54263434 >>54263640

>>54263367
>it costs half your movement
Here's where you're wrong, kiddo. It costs "half your speed," not "half your movement."

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:19:39 No.54263415 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263138
>Yeah but Warlocks can use saving throw cantrips

They get Poison Spray and Chill Touch.

It's like you're purposely ignoring that they have 2 invocations and a unique spell that synergize with a cantrip that only Warlocks get.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:21:25 No.54263428 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263373
To be completely honest, never. I'm not interested in that sort of granularity of class balance. Plus, there's no way to make such a document that won't trigger 99% of everyone who sees it because they think sorcerers should level up twice as fast as wizards or whatever.
And that's before considering archetype balance...
I'm glad you enjoyed my work, though!

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:22:18 No.54263434 Report

Quoted By: >>54263460 >>54263640

>>54263413
No it doesn't you silly boob. It's an amount of movement equal to half your speed.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:24:04 No.54263440 Report

Quoted By: >>54263459

what kind of instrument would a halfling bard use? would they normal human instruments like a lute and drum, or something more weird like panpipes?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:24:26 No.54263442 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263328
Warcaster or Resilient.

It's fine. If you ban GWM and SS the game for martials changes entirely in terms of builds, and it's not a bad thing.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:26:29 No.54263454 Report

Quoted By:

Am I gimping myself if I use Armor of Shadows instead of medium armor as a Hexblade? If so, how hard? I would prefer to be unarmored for character reasons but this campaign is kinda brutal (I'm replacing a dead character) and I want to be in reasonably top shape.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:27:00 No.54263459 Report

Quoted By: >>54265811

>>54263440
Jew harp.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:27:02 No.54263460 Report

Quoted By: >>54263480 >>54263640

>>54263434
So, to recap.
I have 30 speed, and am prone.
I stand up. This costs "an amount of movement equal to half [my] speed," meaning 15.
I have 15 left.
I use dash. This gives "extra movement... the increase equals your speed, after applying any modifiers."
Since there AREN'T ANY MODIFIERS on my speed, I gain 30.
I now have 45 left.
I really don't see how this is difficult for you.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:28:06 No.54263470 Report

Quoted By: >>54263495 >>54263503

>when you Conjure Barrage with a thrown sword

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:29:38 No.54263480 Report

Quoted By: >>54263502

>>54263460
Sorry, I'm someone else nosing in on your conversation because I wanted to correct that guy. I'm on the same page as you.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:29:38 No.54263483 Report

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>>54260637

I expect you're telling the 40kfags the same thing in all 20something threads they put up.

You are intellectually consistent, aren't you?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:30:54 No.54263495 Report

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>>54263470

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:31:56 No.54263502 Report

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>>54263480
Gotcha. You should have really replied to >>54263367, then.
Thanks for the pic related.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:31:58 No.54263503 Report

Quoted By: >>54263527 >>54263579

>>54263470
Which sword has the thrown property? It's not in the PHB.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:33:10 No.54263506 Report

Quoted By: >>54263530 >>54263549 >>54263556 >>54263632

So i see that they finally put out psionic a while back. I was out of contact for a while and i missed it. Did it stop the bitching or was there a shitshow over it?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:36:16 No.54263521 Report

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Does anyone have the cthulhu homebrew classes? One of my players wants to check it out.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:37:16 No.54263527 Report

Quoted By: >>54263558

>>54263503
Is it a weapon with the Thrown quality or a weapon that is thrown?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:37:54 No.54263530 Report

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>>54263506
Bitching about how good/bad/over-powered/under-powered/nonsensical/do-all it was, yeah.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:41:31 No.54263549 Report

Quoted By: >>54263655

>>54263506
There was a shitshow. General consensus is that it's extremely overpowered at low levels, then falls behind full-casters mid game and late game (like most everything that's not a full-caster does).

There are still a couple fanboy weeaboos that defend it as a valid and balanced class because they want to play anime characters, but they're easy enough to ignore.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:42:47 No.54263556 Report

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>>54263506
The basic mechanics are probably fine, but the specifics are extremely raw and don't seem particularly well-tested. The class also has way too many archetypes who accomplish wildly different things, instead of having some sort of actual mechanical identity.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:43:12 No.54263558 Report

Quoted By: >>54263570 >>54265831

>>54263527
Is a two-handed weapon a weapon with the two-handed property or a weapon I'm holding in two hands?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:44:55 No.54263570 Report

Quoted By: >>54263640

>>54263558
Depends, how's it written? Does it say "one two-handed weapon" or "one weapon held in two hands"?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:45:58 No.54263579 Report

Quoted By: >>54263623

>>54263503
What do you hate fun?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:48:32 No.54263596 Report

Quoted By: >>54263659

>>54261647
Monk was a class in 2e, they brought it back in The Scarlet Brotherhood. Uses Cleric THAC0. There were also some kits that do monk-ly stuff, I believe.

>>54261820
Not him, but Spelljammer, Mystara, Birthright, and Ravenloft.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:51:18 No.54263612 Report

Quoted By:

>>54260479
>http://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UAGreyhawkInitiative.pdf
>Delsenora, Rupert, and Rath
>Haunted Halls of Eveningstar
Nice.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:53:36 No.54263623 Report

Quoted By: >>54263710

>>54263579
It's likely not meant to work RAI. But fine, here's some fun for you: Technically there's nothing in the spell saying that the thrown weapon (i.e., weapon with the thrown property) used as the material component has to be the same weapon (any weapon) you throw into the air to perform the spell. RAW if you hold a dagger in your left hand as the material component, you can throw any weapon at all from your right hand and create a volley of it.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:54:37 No.54263632 Report

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>>54263506
Don't listen to anyone bitching about Mantle of Command, they didn't read the PHB.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:55:54 No.54263640 Report

Quoted By: >>54263659 >>54263679

>>54263460
>>54263434
>>54263413
>>54263367
>>54263351
>>54263335
>>54263297
>>54263271
Regular speed plus half makes more sense to me as well but apparently Dash shouldn't be seen as a distinct action. As long as you got up from prone you're at half speed.

>>54263570
If you want to be exactly by the book it's any weapon with the two-handed property. Any reasonable DM should count versatile as two handed however. Which explicitly is only counted as two handed for *melee* attacks however. Read the summary. Nice try though.

There is in theory nothing stopping you from using a two handed weapon the thrown property, but that's immaterial as there isn't any

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:57:51 No.54263655 Report

Quoted By: >>54263678

>>54263549
>like most everything that's not a full-caster does
With interestingly, Monk and Warlock being the notable exceptions.

Which is odd people call them weak when at high levels I'd much rather have an invincible Monk of stunning then bill the guy with a pike who hits hard #4.

>inb4 someone says no one plays high levels
Then why do you bitch about casters being better then martials?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:58:28 No.54263659 Report

Quoted By: >>54263751

>>54263596
I didn't come across The Scarlet Brotherhood, but good to know. I suppose that's where Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale got the rules from?
I do remember the priest kit. We played with it once. It was pretty awful. Good times...

>>54263640
What do you mean by "distinct action"?
Both getting up from prone and using dash clearly manipulate your movement left, based on your speed, without affecting your speed itself.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 07:59:47 No.54263668 Report

Quoted By: >>54263685

What's the best way to handle a short and aggressive siege in terms of mechanics?

Essentially I built a lot of the campaign in advance (skeleton framework for building as we go). I put in a small sidequest where players would deal with an orc settlement that keeps raiding everyone, but then one of the leading players made a half-orc whose main thing is that he wants to help orcs become free and independent, so now they're defending the orcs. It's good fun.

But now the humans are going to launch an attack on the orcs to wipe them out, and the party will be involved in preparations and then defending during the siege itself. There are only about 50 orcs and the humans will have to come up a narrow cliff pass a few at a time, so it's just about plausible that I could use normal combat rules, but it could take a while and get a bit slow.

Is the Mass Combat UA worth looking at or is there a better way to do this?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:01:53 No.54263678 Report

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>>54263655
Casters have way more options for interacting with and affecting a story than amrtials do by like... level 6. At level 6, the fighter can hit things with swords one extra time. The wizard can fucking FLY. Tell me who just got more agency in how they deal with obstacles in the campaign.

Psionics just keep up with full-casters a bit better than the typical martial. Till about level 10 or so. That's all.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:01:58 No.54263679 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263640
>Any reasonable DM should count versatile as two handed however.
Cool, my monk just lost the ability to use a quarterstaff with Martial Arts.

Also, we're not even talking about two-handed weapons or the two-handed property. It was a rhetorical question meant to answer a question about the thrown property.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:02:24 No.54263685 Report

Quoted By: >>54263725

>>54263668
>siege
>short
I think you mean "assault," not "siege." A siege is a prolonged campaign that involves sitting around and cutting off supply lines.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:03:31 No.54263691 Report

Quoted By: >>54263711 >>54263715

Hey /5eg/ do your gish characters use shields? Or do they have a free hand? If they do have a free hand why?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:04:10 No.54263699 Report

Quoted By: >>54263730 >>54263742 >>54263832 >>54264132

>>54260479
>Fallen Aasimar comes from a noble family that was destroyed by something and he is the sole survivor.
>Is taken in by a hag who abuses him until he runs away at 16
>Takes to drinking, sex, lying, stealing, and killing when he has to to get by.
>Runs into a goliath fighting a few barbarians
>Sits by to watch the fight, he'll kill the weakened winner and loot them all.
>Goliath wins, runs up shakes the Goliath's hand.
>Thunderwave, stab him while he's down until he's dead.
>Loot bandit, find alchohol yes.
>Go to loot giant, clerics show up
>Run into town, giant is brought back to life
>Giant starts fighting peasants as he squashed five looking for the Aasimar
>18 Charisma, convince the giant I'm a friend, stab two peasants to prove it.
>"Yeah that checks out"
>This is the start of the story of how I became the greatest hero of all time.

Thoughts?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:04:54 No.54263710 Report

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>>54263623
Also technically using a component pouch means you don't need to even be carrying weapons on you to use it.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:05:01 No.54263711 Report

Quoted By: >>54263765

>>54263691
Warcaster kinda eliminates the need to have a free hand. Although I've run Great Weapon Eldritch Knights and Paladins a few times because Great Weapons blow everything else out of the water once you get their Feats online.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:05:39 No.54263715 Report

Quoted By: >>54263746 >>54263765

>>54263691
Sword college bard here, I get bonuses for having said free hand. And it's more aesthetic. If it was real life I'd be wearing medium plate, a shield, a nice streamline helmet and the longest weapon I had at my reach.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:07:00 No.54263725 Report

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>>54263685
Sure, assault. Whichever involves heavy weaponry, breaking through walls, all that jazz.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:07:22 No.54263730 Report

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>>54263699
>fallen anything
>sole survivor of anything
>killing to get by
>killing for absolutely no reason
>murdering some more
>"hero"
You know exactly what our thoughts are.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:08:54 No.54263742 Report

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>>54263699

>Killing a party member
>Sole Survivor
>Kills innocents
>Mad charisma
>How I became the BBEG

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:09:27 No.54263746 Report

Quoted By: >>54263763

>>54263715
If this was real life, you wouldn't be wearing plate with a shield.
That said, one hand free is the most aesthetic look there is, and I'm really bummed that there are so few options in D&D (any edition) that really make it viable, particularly for a martial character.
4e rogue was pretty cool in that regard.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:09:48 No.54263751 Report

Quoted By: >>54263794 >>54263835

>>54263659
>I suppose that's where Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale got the rules from?
Not quite, the TSB monk has some thief abilities as well. On closer inspection, it looks like they forgot to say what group the monk's saving throws and THAC0 fall under. I'd guess Priest, their prime req. is Wisdom and they use the XP and HD progression of clerics.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:10:50 No.54263763 Report

Quoted By: >>54263794

>>54263746
Yeah, peasant funds will do that to you. I'd have a spear and I'd scream loudly in fear and anger at anything that came at me.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:10:55 No.54263765 Report

Quoted By: >>54263775 >>54263792

>>54263711
This is what I'm thinking.
>>54263715
Now for you, I understand due to you lacking shield proficiency, but if you had it would you use it? It would not affect your Duelist feature due to it not being a weapon.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:12:45 No.54263775 Report

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>>54263765
Dude if I learn how to use a shield you bet your ass I will.
But... I'm also nearly maxed on charisma and I'm playing a very anime-vibed speaks a lot character. I dunno asthetic might help the rule of cool for me.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:14:38 No.54263792 Report

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>>54263765
Yeah, if you run with a two-handed weapon, you technically have a free hand, you can just take one hand off the weapon hilt to cast, same as a wizard using a two-handed staff.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:14:53 No.54263794 Report

Quoted By: >>54263835 >>54263838

>>54263763
>peasant funds
No, I mean plate armor is literally the reason people stopped using shields. It made more sense to have two hands on your weapon, because you didn't need as much protection and you could do fancy shit with a two-handed sword grip.

>>54263751
>forgot to say what group
Haha. Well, my group's approach worked well enough anyway (we literally just wrote down the features from Baldur's Gate 2).

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:19:17 No.54263832 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263699
I believe in you kid

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:19:39 No.54263835 Report

Quoted By: >>54264000 >>54264005

>>54263751
>>54263794
Actually, looking at my writeup of the Baldur's Gate class, it does have thief abilities.
Priest class, human only, dex and wisdom primary.
Find Traps/Move Silently/Hide in Shadows.
No armor, same weapon availability as thieves.
AC starts at 9, goes down by 1 every two levels. Gets lots of attacks per turn eventually. Can hit creatures as though fists are +1/+2/+3 depending on level.
Stunning Blow, Quivering Palm. Magic resistance.
Is that similar to what you're looking at?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:20:20 No.54263838 Report

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>>54263794
You're right, I guess I was more so going for the whole "MAXIMUM protection" thing, but get me a longsword and plate armor and I'd be safer

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:20:28 No.54263839 Report

Quoted By: >>54263861

What proficiency/feat/skill would you, as a DM, give to a PC that keeps track of a journal, writes down details of every city and other environment and publishes books about the lore?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:23:56 No.54263861 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263839
Observant or Keen Mind.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:30:18 No.54263897 Report

Quoted By: >>54263928 >>54263930

Could anyone here clear something up for a new player?
I'm planning to play a phoenix sorcerer in my first campaign soon and I'm slightly unsure as to how the mantle of flame +charisma modifier on fire damage works.
>Whenever you roll fire damage on your turn, the roll gains a bonus to equal to your Charisma modifier.
Now by my understanding of that if I were to cast a fireball it'd only apply that bonus damage once per affected creature despite rolling 8d6 because all 8 dice rolls are done as one single roll yeah?
Wheras if I were to cast scorching ray it'd apply on each individual beam because they're all separate instances of damage being rolled separately correct?
That's the conclusion me and my group came to at least. The unclear point is if one of those rays crit, is the extra crit damage counted as a separate roll and would it also benefit from the +cha modifier damage so the attack would essentially double dip, or is the crit damage roll counted as being contained in the initial damage roll?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:33:28 No.54263928 Report

Quoted By: >>54263981

>>54263897
I think crit damage is part of the regular roll. The example in the PHB involves critting with a dagger and rolling 2d4 instead of 1d4.
It's also notable that ability modifier doesn't get doubled on a crit, which signals about the RAI of Mantle of Flame (to me, at least).

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:33:32 No.54263930 Report

Quoted By: >>54263981

>>54263897
Scorching Ray would add the damage on every beam because of the way it's worded. Look at level 6 Dragon Sorcerer's ability, it would only apply to 1 ray because of the way it's done.

Static modifiers to attack rolls are NEVER doubled by a crit. Only all dice are doubled full stop, end of story.

Both good questions though, have fun playing anon!

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:35:33 No.54263940 Report

Quoted By: >>54263947 >>54263950 >>54263954

How do multiclass into fighter?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:37:11 No.54263947 Report

Quoted By: >>54263960

>>54263940
Could you be more specific?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:37:30 No.54263950 Report

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>>54263940
You are better off multiclassing out of it. You get CON as a good save (important for casters), heavy armor and action surge; all things that are really good on a caster.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:37:46 No.54263954 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263940
Instead of adding another level of your class, add a first level of fighter.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:38:36 No.54263960 Report

Quoted By: >>54263989 >>54264020

>>54263947
Like, hypothetically I want to go from a caster class in which I have learned how to use a blade I'd like to multi-class into a finesse fighter.

What archetype would be best for that?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:41:42 No.54263981 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263928
>>54263930
Thanks guys, I was kind of hoping crits would double dip on it since using a once per long rest ability and having some truly spectacular crits would be fun but I can see why it doesn't work like that. I'm hype as fuck to play this game. I've DMd once to moderate success but the game fell apart due to real life stuff. I'm slightly worried about being the face but we're all inexperienced in this group so it'll be a fun learning experience for us all

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:42:27 No.54263989 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263960
You could just skip the whole process and play a bladesinger or eldritch knight, but there's really nothing more complicated to it than that. If you're multiclassing bladesinger probably isn't the best archetype for wizard since a lot of features would be redundant though

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:42:48 No.54263991 Report

Quoted By: >>54264009

Is the When Armies Clash/Battlesystem UA good? I'd like to run a game with slightly more tactical mass combat

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:43:21 No.54264000 Report

Quoted By: >>54264005 >>54264059

>>54263835
I was looking at the BG wiki and they didn't mention that stuff. TSB monks also get Climb Walls and Hear Noise (I don't think those are actually in BG/ID), move bonuses, and whatnot. They're also LE-only, due to the Scarlet Brotherhood being who they are. Here, have a PDF. TSB also brought the Assassin class back, for what that's worth. Nowhere near as much detail as the 1e one, but it's trivial to forward-port 1e stuff to 2e.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:44:24 No.54264005 Report

Quoted By: >>54264059

>>54264000
>>54263835
Actually, though I said they forgot to say what group, it's pretty strongly implied by the (priest class) bit after the name of the class.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:44:52 No.54264009 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263991
So that you don't have to look for it

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:46:55 No.54264020 Report

Quoted By: >>54264031

>>54263960
Can you rephrase that in a way that makes sense?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:47:44 No.54264024 Report

Quoted By: >>54264086 >>54264473

Guys, running a large scale battle full of adventurers at the end of the week. Give me a bunch of ideas of gimmicky builds to have as background NPCs during the siege, level 5 tops
Magic items shenanigans are fine

Just need inspiration for crazy shit going on in the background of a full on battle... full of murderhobos

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:48:29 No.54264031 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264020
Him am magic-man. Magic-man am learn sharp stick. Magic-man want learn how to be speedy fight-man.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:49:32 No.54264040 Report

Quoted By: >>54264088

Is PAM paladin of vengeance 15/eldritch Knight fighter 5 a good combo?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:51:18 No.54264046 Report

Quoted By:

Anyone here who's actually tried the Greyhawk initiative? Seems like it would make the game feel less turn based and a bit more realistic I guess. How's it in practice? Does it slow down the game or fuck with any other class abilities such as stuff saying "creature that hasn't taken a turn yet"?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:51:20 No.54264047 Report

Quoted By: >>54264051 >>54264065 >>54264081

So with Warcaster, can you cast while using a 2handed weapon?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:51:47 No.54264051 Report

Quoted By: >>54264056

>>54264047
Yes.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:52:24 No.54264056 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264051
Sweet, Eldritch Knight with a glaive, here I come.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:53:14 No.54264059 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264000
Thanks, anon! They're comparable, but not identical, probably because they're both inspired by the same source. But it's been years since I actually flipped through the 1e PHB.

>>54264005
Pretty strongly implied indeed.

Anyway, it's long past my bed time. Good night!

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:53:31 No.54264065 Report

Quoted By: >>54264088

>>54264047
You don't need Warcaster for that. You can do it without because you can hold a Two-Handed weapon with one hand, you need Two-Hands to attack with it though.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:56:30 No.54264081 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264047
You can literally just let go of the weapon with one hand to cast, then put that hand back on your weapon to attack with it. You don't need Warcaster.

That being said, Warcaster is still super useful for advantage on checks to maintain concentration, especially if you're gonna be in melee alot.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:57:29 No.54264086 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264024
variant human fighter with GWM and PAM equipped with a glaive.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 08:57:33 No.54264088 Report

Quoted By: >>54264123

>>54264065
You can even cast with sword & board, it just means you gotta juggle with your free interaction to sheathe/unsheathe at the start of your turn.

>>54264040
No. Paladin already gives you Extra Attack and has better spell progression, so no reason to go EK 5, and in fact EK barely does anything as an archetype for a Paladin. Are you that desperate to get Shield?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:03:19 No.54264123 Report

Quoted By: >>54264191

>>54264088
Action surge and another extra attack

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:05:00 No.54264130 Report

Quoted By: >>54264217

>Stone Sorceror 17/ Hexblade 3
>Charisma for attack and damage
>Booming Blade + Greenflame Blade Boost
>Constitution for AC
>Increased HP
What would you change about this?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:05:12 No.54264132 Report

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>>54263699
It's shit and edgy, are you 14?

>Aasimar

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:08:19 No.54264152 Report

Quoted By: >>54264172 >>54264192 >>54264277 >>54264335 >>54264545

>>54260479
Starting a new campaign soon. OotA.

My baseline is allowing all WotC stuff, with multiclassing, as my starting point.

"No Multiclassing" is out. If something needs a blanket multiclass ban, it needs a blanket ban in the campaign, period.

My group is fairly reasonable and won't cheese things hard, if I tell them to skip a particular combo, they will do so.

>What classes/feats should I blacklist entirely, either because it's shit, or because it's OP?

>What particular combos should I keep an eye out for and disallow?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:11:45 No.54264172 Report

Quoted By: >>54264440

>>54264152
>What classes/feats should I blacklist entirely, either because it's shit, or because it's OP?
Loremaster Wizard. Tone down Mystic a few notches.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:14:25 No.54264191 Report

Quoted By: >>54264228

>>54264123
You only need 2 levels for Action Surge.

Extra Attack doesn't stack.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:14:36 No.54264192 Report

Quoted By: >>54264440

>>54264152
Just run everything raw from the books. The games perfectly balanced. Only thing I'd disallow is unearthed arcana crap.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:16:43 No.54264205 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261798
Not much point shitting on 5e in a 40k thread.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:18:17 No.54264217 Report

Quoted By: >>54264252

>>54264130
Hexblade 5 for smites if I wanted to gish harder.
Hexblade 2 if all i wanted was Eldritch Blast + Agonizing Blast (which is generally going to be better than wacking with the SCAG cantrips).

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:20:19 No.54264228 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264191
Oh. Thanks I didn't know that

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:24:34 No.54264252 Report

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>>54264217
5 Levels will also give me 3rd level Warlock slots for more buff spells, and I still keep stone's edge. Good call anon!

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:26:30 No.54264265 Report

Quoted By: >>54264330

Time to gamble.

Brand new campain tomorrow. High fantasy. It is illegal to be dragonborn so naturally the group has two already.

Im trying to do something totally unexpected. So without any clues, tg, pick my class and "stick"

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:27:23 No.54264277 Report

Quoted By: >>54264327 >>54264338 >>54264440 >>54265173

>>54264152
>Classes
Loremaster Wizard
Theurge Wizard
Every version of Mystic
Moon Druids

>Feats
Lucky
Elven Accuracy (UA feat)

>Combos
Warlock + Darkness + Devils Sight
Abjuration Wizard + Svf... some kind of Rock Gnome race (infinite ward charging)
Abjuration Wizard + Warlock + Armor of Shadows (infinite ward charging)

>Other
Monster races
Races with natural Flight (sword coast adventures tieflings)

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:32:03 No.54264308 Report

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>>54261221
I'd like to see more reward systems fleshed out than just XP personally, XP just makes you tougher and stronger in combat so rewarding it for exploration/RP is not something I want. Inspiration is ok to reward RP, but there's currently nothing to reward exploration, puzzles and so on without just resorting to XP. Also weapon breakage sounds like cancer.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:35:23 No.54264327 Report

Quoted By: >>54264350 >>54264418 >>54264440 >>54264453

>>54264277
>Moon Druids
Only if playing at level 2-4, come level 5 they're not as bullshit. I'd also say warlock darkness combo is intended and isn't too good since it's a team game, svirfneblin feat is barely better than increasing int IIRC and is a nice synergy but nothing insane, charging the ward infinitely isn't that big a deal unless you have tons of combats every day.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:35:44 No.54264330 Report

Quoted By: >>54264444

>>54264265

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:36:33 No.54264335 Report

Quoted By: >>54264440

>>54264152
Mystics are extremely broken at the lower levels and will over-shadow any non-mystic characters in the party. Lore Wizard and Theurge are both extremely over-powered mid-level and late level.

Most of the other UA stuff should be OK with proper tweaking.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:37:01 No.54264338 Report

Quoted By: >>54264418

>>54264277
Everything anon said except Moon Druids

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:39:19 No.54264350 Report

Quoted By: >>54264384 >>54264418

>>54264327
Moon druids aren't bullshit so much as their entire character concept revolves around playing templates of other creatures. They're powerful in one of the most boring ways possible.

Plus every time they transform, they gain a new HP bar out of nowhere. THAT part is a little bullshit, but easily tweaked so that it takes a percentage of the new creature's HP from the druid's base HP to transform in the first place.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:44:01 No.54264384 Report

Quoted By: >>54264398 >>54264418

>>54264350
I can agree they're too reliant on other creatures but I can't imagine how you'd do the concept of transforming into animals without doing that.

>Plus every time they transform, they gain a new HP bar out of nowhere. THAT part is a little bullshit, but easily tweaked so that it takes a percentage of the new creature's HP from the druid's base HP to transform in the first place.
That's an interesting tweak though I don't know if hp is the way to do it. It would just disincentivize the higher hp forms while the higher AC ones, or ones that focus on control/damage more than tanking up, are better in comparison. I played a moon druid from level 7-10 and took almost no damage in my normal form so idk if it's much of a nerf either, unless of course you're brought low enough that the damage would knock you unconscious.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:46:24 No.54264398 Report

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>>54264384
If anything I'd say the reason moon druids are kind of boring is because there are so few viable forms. The ankylosaurus is way better than the +4 to hit, grapple without restrain, poison damage, giant scorpion. Lower level at least using a flying form and such may be worth it at times, but when you choose between a huge CR3 dinosaur and a CR1 giant eagle, it's too bad to ever use in combat basically. More possible forms from splats without power creep would be great.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:49:01 No.54264418 Report

Quoted By: >>54264459

>>54264350
>>54264384
>>54264338
>>54264327

Shapeshifting in general is extremely powerful at low levels. And leads to situations where a druid will be better at stealth than a Rogue with expertise just because the druid can wildshape into a flea or something. Granted this applies to all druids, not just moon druids.

Somewhat fixable by disallowing Tiny creatures and telling the druid their animal forms have magical markings that make them stand out from "normal" instances of that animal, but neither of these fixes the other huge problem that they're basically relying on templates of stuff that's NOT their character in order to do anything.

Druids won't break your game, but they'll do alot of stuff that slows the game down or makes people roll their eyes. "I can transform into any animal I want" plays more like something from a Mutants and Masterminds game than DnD.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:51:06 No.54264440 Report

Quoted By: >>54264452 >>54264484 >>54264649

>>54264192
Without unearthed arcana there will be no game. The group really complained about the shortage of options in the PHB, and I don't want to run pathfinder.

>>54264335
I will keep that in mind for the ban list. Thanks.

>>54264327
Oota runs 1-15.

>>54264277
What makes mystic so op at low levels? Avatar mystic looked good, and the game lacks a normal warlord class.

>>54264335
What tweaking, specifically, are you advising?

>>54264172
>>54264192
>>54264277
>>54264335
What about things to ban for being shit?
>PHB ranger.
>artificer
>w4e monk
What else?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:51:21 No.54264444 Report

Quoted By: >>54264454

>>54264330
Yes.

Choose my class and race, fag.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:52:24 No.54264452 Report

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>>54264440
>>artificer
>>w4e monk
Bladelock. Next up is like berserker, champion and sorcerer, I wouldn't ban those though there's little reason to play any of them.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:52:37 No.54264453 Report

Quoted By: >>54264464 >>54264469 >>54265954

>>54264327
DnD being a team game is exactly why Warlock + Devils Sight + Darkness is cancer.

Sure, YOU can see in the darkness... but you've just fucked over your entire team at the same time. Even races with Dark Vision can't see in MAGICAL darkness.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:52:40 No.54264454 Report

Quoted By: >>54264558

>>54264444
Stick?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:53:37 No.54264459 Report

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>>54264418
>"I can transform into any animal I want"
There is a variant in which you can only transform into a limited set of creatures. By raw you have to have seen the animal but that's a very loosey goosey restriction.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:54:12 No.54264464 Report

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>>54264453
So it would be good in a more competitive, Drow intrigue type campaign?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:54:40 No.54264469 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264453
Right, I can agree it's unfun, I thought you were claiming it was as OP as loremaster and shit.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:55:08 No.54264473 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264024
Make a bunch of gishes and have them get absolutely destroyed by ordinary soldiers.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:56:46 No.54264484 Report

Quoted By: >>54264510 >>54264525

>>54264440
>What makes mystic so op at low levels?
They're basically a "build a class" type of character class. Mystics can do pretty much anything in the game better than a character who would specialize in those things. Theres a nomad talent thats strictly better than the knowledge cleric's Channel divinity because it grants 2 proficiencies instead of 1, for an indefinite duration. The Mystic Charm Person doesn't alert the target if it fails. Mystic disciplines don't have any verbal, somatic, or material components meaning a conscious mystic can't be disabled or even reacted to like any other caster can, and the fact that mystics disciplines are specifically NOT spells means they can't be counter-spelled or dispelled.

Mystics are basically the "make an anime character" class. The only thing that brings them down late game is that they don't have access to the higher-level wizard spells that REALLY break the game.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 09:58:44 No.54264495 Report

Quoted By: >>54264517

What's the most metal bard you can think of?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:00:31 No.54264510 Report

Quoted By: >>54264524

>>54264484
Don't forget how nobody spellchecked the document and Psionic Darkness has infinite duration, their claw attack has no action specified and is basically a free action RAW, and about half their skills apply secondary effects even if the opponent PASSES a save. Holy fuck, what a clusterfuck. It's obvious Mystic was only released to appease whiny Dark Sun fanboys who wouldn't shut the fuck about their psychic-pokemon class basically got shafted to third-party garbage material nobody ever used (for good reason).

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:01:07 No.54264517 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264495
skalds, but they only exist in pathfinder currently.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:01:14 No.54264519 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261141
Owen

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:01:51 No.54264524 Report

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>>54264510
>KA-posting

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:01:53 No.54264525 Report

Quoted By: >>54264536

>>54264484
So it would need a series of nerfs in many areas before it was reasonable.

>>54260479
You know, I could have gone for a new initiative system, but not the 2e one. Give me owod initiative.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:03:07 No.54264536 Report

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>>54264525
You'd pretty much have have an easier time rewriting the entire document from scratch to be honest. All 20+ pages of it if you're using the latest version.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:03:42 No.54264545 Report

Quoted By: >>54264642

>>54264152
There's a ton of shit to sort through.

Honestly, if you don't have a good feel for it, just ban all UA except for Revised Ranger. Maybe let in the races if your table likes being multiethnic, nothing really bad there except Yuan-Ti.

From the PHB, get rid of Great Weapon Master, Sharpshooter and Grappler. The former two are so strong they're a no-brainer that hurts martial diversity, and the latter is a trap.

Way of the Four Elements Monk is awful. Borderline unusable.
Berserker Barbarian is likewise borderline unusable. Either tweak exhaustion rules (all gone with a single long rest) or get rid of it.
Beastmaster Ranger is the absolute worst thing, but you should be using the UA Revised Ranger.

That's about it.

There are a few combos that will seem really strong at a glance, due to the way many classes are frontloaded in terms of features, but they have their cons so ultimately it's nothing extraordinary.

Like for example, Sorcerer with 2 levels of Warlock gets Eldritch Blast+Agonizing Blast, which with Quickening metamagic can cast twice per round. This is positively amazing damage, but it doesn't get to shine until level 8 at the earliest - and if the sorlock wants to commit all their resources to dealing damage, I say let them.

Or mentioned by someone else, Abjuration Wizard with Armor of Shadows. It sets them back two levels by taking a class that has no other synergies, so if the *freaking wizard* wants to delay the source of their power in order to have more HP between fights, sure, whatever. That's two more levels you have before worrying about them accidentally derailing the campaign with 6th+ level spells.

Really, besides higher level wizards, nobody has the potential to break the game. All you have to worry about, then, is a player trivializing one another in terms of role/performance, and if you get rid of SS and GWM then that won't happen beyond players themselves being really obtuse in how they play their classes.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:05:03 No.54264558 Report

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>>54264454
He means shtick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtick

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:17:00 No.54264626 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262155
My Dm wanted us to run a short module (8-10 sessions) so I convinced him to let me make a "one shot" character. We home brewed a Dryad race and mucked with the Acorn of far travel, so I could adventure. The dump part comes when she became a Barbarian who refuses to use equipment. Because of backstory shit (she's over 500 years old, she refuses to change how she does things, think grandpa with an old radio he won't switch out) I'm now playing an character that doesn't pick up gold or jewels and won't use anything made by "flesh creatures". But the Dm did just give her a goblin follower so that's nice.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:17:42 No.54264632 Report

Quoted By: >>54264663 >>54264664 >>54265982

Whats the consensus on the initiative system?
IMO kinda cool but slow as FUCK and hard on the DM

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:19:22 No.54264642 Report

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>>54264545
Yuan-ti is in Volo's so that's not UA but they should still be banned. SS and GWM are required for weapon type balance, if anything nerf PAM so that polearms aren't everyone's best weapon choice. I don't like the -5/+10 but banning the feats wholesale is even worse. If you want to ban weak feats, about half of them are too weak to ever take so you'd want to ban more than grappler.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:20:13 No.54264649 Report

Quoted By: >>54266182

>>54264440
>complained about the shortage of options in the PHB,

How I hate players. They need a gazillion different overpowered options and a hundred different furry halfbreed races to feel like special snowflakes instead of you know, roleplaying a character.

I think my next game is going to be human only with the only classes being rogue, fighter, wizard and cleric and no feats either and I bet it would be a better game as a result where players actually roleplay.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:22:01 No.54264663 Report

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>>54264632
It's awful. Initiative is supposed to measure reactions, how fast you can get your wits about you and act, and the core system does this even if it's far from "realistic" and very simplistic - but it's streamlined and fast, which is what they were going for. The new one complicates it without adding anything close to realism for the simulation crowd, fucks up the balance of the game (bye monks), *and* slows combat down even further. There's no type of player that will like it, even those that like planning because you're deciding what you'll do on your turn 6 seconds before it happens and it's dumb as pointed out in the UA examples themselves.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:22:12 No.54264664 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264632
Unnecessary hassle.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:23:01 No.54264669 Report

Quoted By: >>54264680 >>54264744

Does anybody have a pdf copy of the spellbook cards?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:24:09 No.54264677 Report

Quoted By: >>54266001

People said this was shit. We wait a month for new test material. He puts it out anyway. People still say it's shit.

Why is the fluff guy allowed near the rules.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:24:28 No.54264680 Report

Quoted By: >>54264712 >>54264792

>>54264669
You can make your own
http://beta.hardcodex.ru/

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:28:57 No.54264712 Report

Quoted By: >>54264737

>>54264680
Thanks. I'm planning on printing these out. Any recommendation on what kind of paper I should use? Card stock? Regular A4 glued to old MtG commons?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:31:36 No.54264737 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264712
I printed them on regular paper and just laminated them before cutting.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:32:40 No.54264744 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264669
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6hy8k2b5bwn5z9t/AADPvSTOHpe6UHsAKc3LQWnSa?dl=0

These are pretty good.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:40:12 No.54264792 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264680
These are really cool.
Thanks for sharing.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:43:48 No.54264816 Report

Quoted By: >>54264900 >>54264907

How do you roleplay someone with high wisdom, but low intelligence?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:50:52 No.54264871 Report

Quoted By: >>54264978

>>54261238

Adjust the DC for Perception depending on how broadly they examine the room.

Trying to find a hidden key by searching the whole room? DC 20

Trying to find a hidden key by searching a specific half of the room? DC 15

Trying to find a hidden key by searching a desk? DC 10

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:55:21 No.54264900 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264816
He never read a book in his life, and he's not planning to, but he's full of folsky wisdom. An enlightened redneck!

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:55:53 No.54264907 Report

Quoted By:

>>54264816
Wisdom is more streetwise and common sense. Int is being book smart

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 11:05:38 No.54264978 Report

Quoted By: >>54265043

>>54264871
Unless there's some sort of time constraint in-game or via something like random encounters for however long you spend doing something there's no reason all the players can't simply declare they search every inch of the room painstakingly. Even if it means saying 'sure I painstakingly search the desk, and the walls, and the chair' or just ' 'i search each individual item and object in the room and the walls and the ceilings ' etc.

I think the tricks in having them find interesting things that can be interacted with in interesting ways beyond mechanics and getting them to solve them.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 11:15:06 No.54265043 Report

Quoted By: >>54265074

>>54264978

Sure, if they say they say they take the time to look through every nook and cranny. According to the OP though, they're just saying "I search the room" and roll.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 11:20:27 No.54265074 Report

Quoted By: >>54265099

>>54265043
So you're saying you want gameplay to devolve into.

>'I search on top of the desk - roll'

>I search under the desk -roll'

>I search the first drawer of the desk -roll'

>'I search the second drawer of the desk -roll'

>'I search under the carpet - roll'

>'i search the carpet by lifting it up and shaking it -roll'

>'i continue to search the carpet by cutting into five foot squares and searching inside-roll'

>'i search the first five foot square of cut up carpet -roll'

>'i search the left wall -roll'

>'i search the right wall -roll'

>'i search this first five foot of ceiling -roll'

>I search this second five foot of ceiling - roll'

Etc....

Because that sounds awfully dull and like it would take a very long time to resolve for every room in a given area but exactly what you're encouraging.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 11:26:11 No.54265099 Report

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>>54265074

>Taking things to illogical extremes to try and prove a point.

C'mon, nobody wants that, obviously. Have your (You) and be quiet.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 11:38:10 No.54265173 Report

Quoted By: >>54265231

>>54264277
Can't you just infinitely cast alarm as a ritual and get your ward up for free?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 11:44:37 No.54265219 Report

Quoted By:

>Wanted to make an Immortal Mystic Grappler
>No idea how to start
>Apparently Mystics are OP anyway

oh

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 11:46:35 No.54265231 Report

Quoted By: >>54265571

>>54265173
At that point you might as well just take a short rest, since rituals are 10 minutes pr cast and you'd be doing this repeatedly.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:07:59 No.54265361 Report

Quoted By: >>54265365 >>54266020

Can /5eg/ say something good about adventurers league?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:08:48 No.54265365 Report

Quoted By:

>>54265361
Adventurers League doesn't allow Mystics.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:15:42 No.54265424 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261769
What about class features what interact with initiative?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:20:05 No.54265461 Report

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>>54261820

Not them, but using Planescape and Spelljammer mechanics to introduce realm-hopping and then stocking it with Eberron, Dark Sun, Feywild/Shadowfell, and Jakandor sounds like it could be the greatest DnD supplement of all time *and* get a few of their red-headed step children out of the way on their unlikely quest to re-release all the existing settings.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:20:43 No.54265465 Report

Quoted By: >>54265482

>>54260479
>http://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UAGreyhawkInitiative.pdf
Somehow they topped Trap Making as a shitty UA. Didn't think it was possible.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:21:45 No.54265471 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261141
Cuisinart

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:22:52 No.54265482 Report

Quoted By: >>54265505 >>54265506 >>54265630

>>54265465
They already did that with Mystic V3.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:25:00 No.54265505 Report

Quoted By:

>>54265482
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:25:00 No.54265506 Report

Quoted By: >>54265630

>>54265482
They already did it with the overpowered campaign destroying UA ranger.

I just ban all UA content. Problem solved.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:27:49 No.54265535 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261344

Disregard multiclass restrictions, start at level 2 and use milestone leveling but only to even numbers, keeping the levels evenly split between the two classes each time, but using the XP budget of a character 1 level lower to compensate for lack of synergy. So at lvl 6 a rogue/sorc would be Rogue 3/Sorcerer 3 but count as a Lvl 5 for encounter design. Otherwise keep everything the same.

Should put you in the ballpark and capture a lot of the "feel" of gestalt without completely abandoning 5e mechanics. Not kidding about dropping the difficulty a level though, if anything you might have to drop it farther because 5e is absolutely merciless to almost all even-split multiclass builds.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:30:35 No.54265570 Report

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>>54261568

Wizards are under-appreciated as a support class in 5e . A generous team-player of a wizard can almost double the effectiveness of a group, easy.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:30:35 No.54265571 Report

Quoted By: >>54265606

>>54265231
Can't cast it while traveling? Like walking from place to place?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:32:55 No.54265601 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261798

Trolls taking advantage of the fact that we're being loosely moderated at the moment, nothing more.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:33:09 No.54265606 Report

Quoted By:

>>54265571
I'd assume part of the ritual is actually inscribing the area you want to ward or something.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:35:16 No.54265630 Report

Quoted By: >>54265665 >>54265682 >>54265692

>>54265506
>>54265482
>I have my own ideas about balance and testing but we can only ever play 100% according to the rules as written and any deviation is heresy
I bet you still do item interactions wrong and forget to tell the two-weapon Rogue that he can't draw both weapons at the start of combat until he pays his feat tax.

How hard is it to not be a fag and just tone down the UA stuff you feel is too strong? The only thing anyone should be banning outright is Lore Wizard.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:39:34 No.54265665 Report

Quoted By:

>>54265630
It sounds simple when you put it like that, but being on the receiving end is a bitch. If I go into a campaign wanting to play a wizard, for example, and the DM tells me I only learn 1 spell per level and have to pick 3 oppositions, I'm gonna be pretty pissed that his idea of "balance" basically gutted my character. I;d rather he had told me the class was just banned.

Then again 9/10 mystic defenders are just weeaboo garbage that wana play anime characters, and I probably just took the bait by replying to one.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:40:34 No.54265677 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262624

You'll drive yourself nuts trying to calculate it all out. Measure with a piece of string, compare to the map scale, and then assume a "normal" pace for the whole trip, since that builds in the assumption that the rough going is about equal to the easy going.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:41:22 No.54265682 Report

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>>54265630
>forget to tell the two-weapon Rogue that he can't draw both weapons
Both the rogue and me conveniently forgot this right at the start and now it's too late to change it.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:42:41 No.54265692 Report

Quoted By: >>54265712

>>54265630
A game is not a good game if you have to ignore a majority of the rules for it to be good. Mystic is a class where you have to ignore or change a majority of it for it to be good.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:45:45 No.54265711 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261437
Anon, you are awesome!

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:45:47 No.54265712 Report

Quoted By: >>54265779

>>54265692
It's really not. I've played a Mystic (V2) and been in groups with multiple V3s. They're fine, but neither I nor my friends are faggots who'd do nothing but abuse Mind Vault / Nomadic Mind and nova with Animate Weapon + Lethal Strike + Knock Back for the two turns your PP holds out for that. Will they be toned down in a future version? Yes. Do you need to "ignore or change a majority of it"? Fucking no, you hyperbolic cock gargler.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:47:10 No.54265730 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262927

I could see fluffing it as "thing is so stupid big and unwieldy that all your other hand can help you do is keep your balance."

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:48:54 No.54265746 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262927
A chainsaw is something you can hold in one hand. You can't do much other than hold it, though.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:49:16 No.54265755 Report

Quoted By: >>54266112

>>54261807
What do you hope to fix by this?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:50:28 No.54265766 Report

Quoted By:

>>54260479
>It's fucking nothing the UA

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:51:33 No.54265779 Report

Quoted By:

>>54265712

I wanna play a Mystic and not be an overpowered faggot.

What should I avoid?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:51:41 No.54265784 Report

Quoted By:

>>54261141
AUTOMATED WIFE

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:55:17 No.54265811 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263459

Underrated instrument, honestly, but hard to solo on.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:56:58 No.54265824 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263066
That is reflected in weapon proficiency and extra attacks. Priest and rogues and mages have limited access to good weapons and usually not as good str/dex for weapon attacks.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 12:57:45 No.54265831 Report

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>>54263558

Both, because Versatile weapons are a thing. The mechanic should specify which it means. An argument could even be made that any weapon can be wielded two-handed, but only Versatile weapons get the damage die boost from it.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:03:14 No.54265868 Report

Quoted By:

>>54262708
It's shit.
Play the Free Market Capitalist Paladin instead.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:06:41 No.54265896 Report

Quoted By:

>>54263328
Pole arm master, Great weapon master, Crossbow expert and Sharpshooter hold one thing in common.
They boost damage output so they ruin CR at low levels.

The DM is right to do so.
At lvl 6 or higher it stops mattering so it's okay to allow them.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:11:41 No.54265954 Report

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>>54264453

I like that not everything in 5e has to be an always-right answer. It's great for zoning out isolated casters/snipers and can be very useful for splitting up large groups for divide and conquer strategies, but it can't be spammed because of the drawbacks. Sounds like it's exactly where it needs to be to me.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:14:57 No.54265982 Report

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>>54264632

Adds a bunch of dice fondling for no benefit to the game. Takes something other games have done well (rollover initiative w/ action costs) and screws it up just so Mearls can say it's "his" version. Biggest disappointment since Mass Combat and for the exact same reason.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:16:43 No.54266001 Report

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>>54264677

I can only imagine that it's so Crawford can prove to him that's he's shit at the rules so he'll quit trying to interfere in them.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:18:16 No.54266020 Report

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>>54265361

I never have to put up with their bullshit again.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:18:34 No.54266022 Report

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I managed to keep my group fairly spooked while playing Death House. Anyone got tips for keeping em spooked through the rest of Strahd.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:19:50 No.54266035 Report

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>>54262863
Imprisonment. 9th level spell.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:26:46 No.54266110 Report

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>>54266022
Fitting music plays a great part. Use the tips the campaign gave as well: Mage Hand is a skelly hand, Alarm is a terrible scream in your head, stuff like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:26:52 No.54266112 Report

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>>54265755

All side initiative variants make the same tradeoff: loss of tactical depth in exchange for an increase in play speed. They also have the same perverse-incentive trap in that the DM has to be careful not to send every enemy after the same high-value PC.

Once you get some rules-of-thumb to break yourself of that, it's pretty slick. I'd say I run 60-70% of my combats with side initiative and save rolled initiative for the really tactical stuff.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:27:53 No.54266119 Report

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new thread

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>>54266113

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:32:46 No.54266182 Report

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>>54264649
I agree with this. I hate when the party is 90% furries and crazy elves from some unknown backlands that I've never heard of, using some strange combination of acrobatic mathematics that makes their character impervious to 8 different damage types and 25 AC, while I'm the only sword and shield fighter human in the party

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 13:36:57 No.54266236 Report

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>>54261168
Underrated post

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 14:03:12 No.54266516 Report

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>>54259317
>It still takes the bulette longer to kill you if you're getting healed.
Not necessarily. It depends on some random factors, but because damage past 0 is usually wasted, an enemy that hits hard can hit over the healing amount and some or all of that healing was useless. Basically, if you heal someone for ten, but they get knocked out without dropping to ten or less, you did nothing. Same if you win the fight without them dropping to ten or less. You can try to stack more heals together to give a noticeable buffer.

It's more likely to help when the attacks deal less damage, and can save someone from getting murdered by a few weak hits when they're low on hp.
>>54260600
Bards can't inspire themselves.

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 14:45:00 No.54267003 Report

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>>54263216
have it be about surviving with nothing or maybe sustainability? Maybe to understand you quarry you must fight like them?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 15:02:22 No.54267198 Report

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>>54266020
Why not anon?

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2017 15:13:22 No.54267354 Report

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>>54267003
>Maybe to understand you quarry you must fight like them?
This is totem warrior for me. It already covers the martial shamanistic archetype fairly well IMO.

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