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One thing has been bugging me, since one of the most common homebrews is to make 40k "alternating activation" (Bolt Action 40k, etc).

How come GW still uses strict IGOUGO anyway, after seeing so many competitors out there? I mean, they made close combat a pseudo-alternate system but everything else is still clunky as fuck.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:48:31 No.54641775 Report

Quoted By: >>54641842 >>54642970

>iron warriors get shit legion trait
>AND it's just a less useful version of the IF setup
>AND the special stratagem is just IH tactic
>AND their warlord trait is useless except for goddamn cultists
>AND their rules are crappier EC stuff

Lmao, ironlets cucked again.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:49:12 No.54641783 Report

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>>54641726
from honor

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:49:33 No.54641786 Report

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>>54641746
>genius
>failed so hard at taking the imperial palace that is cost them the heresy

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:49:38 No.54641787 Report

Quoted By: >>54641810 >>54641942

>>54641765
Fake news/10

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:49:56 No.54641791 Report

Quoted By: >>54641798 >>54641822

TFW you play Iron Warriors and your best bud plays Imperial Fists.

Cover was overrated anyway.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:50:38 No.54641795 Report

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>>54641771
Saving it for 9th edition

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:51:04 No.54641798 Report

Quoted By: >>54641838

>>54641791
>friends with a fist
I'll make sure to destroy your hellforge, you are no son of Perturabo

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:51:10 No.54641799 Report

Quoted By: >>54641824 >>54641852 >>54641853

So what's the max negative Night Lords can realistically get on a unit now? -3?

So say, do 3 casualties. Have 2 units within 6" and maybe Raptors or something. So -6 to morale, most things are leadership 7-8. So...average around 2-3 extra casualties after morale?

Eh, not great.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:51:19 No.54641800 Report

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>>54641771
Mainly I think it's about overall game speed in a system with such a high model count. And melee combat does use alternating activation now.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:52:05 No.54641810 Report

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>>54641787
You would have thought that the Iron Cage would be UM v. WE considering one's space Rome and the other is space Spartacus

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:52:10 No.54641812 Report

Quoted By: >>54641831 >>54641843 >>54641907 >>54644045 >>54644196

Are regular terminators worth it now? They're only 40 points

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:52:32 No.54641816 Report

Quoted By: >>54644115

>>54641734
Well this is fucking wrong already

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:52:50 No.54641819 Report

Quoted By: >>54641837

>>54641765
Don't forget that the Iron Warriors lacked the balls to finish the job.

>The battle should have favoured the treacherous trench-fighters, but the Imperial Fists endured. They countered every ambush and fought their way out of every trap. Rogal Dorn was a colossus who personally turned back attack after attack. Ammunition expended, Brothers fought in half-flooded trenches with combat knives, giving and expecting no quarter. Eventually it became apparent that the Iron Warriors could not finish them. For all their skill and ferocity, the Iron Warriors lacked the faith to make the ultimate sacrifice that victory demanded. While they paused, the Ultramarines intervened; Guilliman had decided that Perturabo's destruction was not worth the loss of Rogal Dorn and had brought his Chapter to drive off the Iron Warriors.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:53:10 No.54641822 Report

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>>54641791
I hope you have tall LOS blocking terrain in your collection.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:53:17 No.54641824 Report

Quoted By: >>54641853

>>54641799
Friendly reminder that conscripts are still more scared of the commissar's pistol than marines who've spent 10,000 years perfecting the art of being spooky.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:53:52 No.54641831 Report

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>>54641812
Terminators are forever shit

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:53:53 No.54641832 Report

Quoted By: >>54642001

>>54641771
>How come GW still uses strict IGOUGO anyway, after seeing so many competitors out there?

None of their competitors are doing better than them.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:54:07 No.54641836 Report

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>>54641771
>homebrews
99% of them are retarded.
>How come GW still uses strict IGOUGO anyway, after seeing so many competitors out there?
That's like saying MTG is legitimately a competitor to World Series of Poker.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:54:15 No.54641837 Report

Quoted By: >>54641859

>>54641819
>literally says they weren't finished off because Perty enjoyed Dorns suffering.
>Imperial version of this story claims it's because the IW couldn't kill a bunch of wounded bananas

Uh huh, sure.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:54:29 No.54641838 Report

Quoted By: >>54641858

>>54641798
Well since FW made it so Warpsmiths / Helwrights cannot repair Hellforged vehicles I am not sure if I even need it anymore.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:54:46 No.54641842 Report

Quoted By: >>54641912

>>54641775
Have strenght, Iron Warrior.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:54:57 No.54641843 Report

Quoted By: >>54641854 >>54641864 >>54641876 >>54641891

>>54641812
Shooting Termies are pretty good for teleport assaults. TH/SS Termies are strong in melee, but getting them there can be a bit awkward.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:55:53 No.54641852 Report

Quoted By: >>54641984 >>54642166

>>54641799
Try to fit Butcher Cannons in for another -2Ld.

And depending if Night Lords must be Markless or not you can grab an Icon of Despair for another -1.

Also depending on new powers, you might be able to build a Witchfire Sorcerer with Warp Gaze + New Power to snipe out Ld boosting characters.

Spawns also reduce by -1

>Overall I find Night Lords one of the most fun new Legion Tactics.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:55:55 No.54641853 Report

Quoted By: >>54641873

>>54641799
>>54641824

So it's a pretty useless trait :(

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:56:22 No.54641854 Report

Quoted By: >>54641926

>>54641843
>TH/SS Termies are strong in melee, but getting them there can be a bit awkward
Land Raider

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:56:58 No.54641858 Report

Quoted By: >>54641900

>>54641838
Wait, when did that happen?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:56:59 No.54641859 Report

Quoted By: >>54641890

>>54641837
>We could have totally killed them at any time
>WE JUST DIDN'T OKAY?!

Best boy Bob is impartial and knew that they were going to destroy each other.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:57:16 No.54641864 Report

Quoted By: >>54641926

>>54641843
Thats why your assault termies are from the best chapter.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:57:38 No.54641869 Report

Quoted By: >>54641897

>>54641739
You can take a Renegades Battallion which is like 180pts before adding a Basilisk but they wont be Iron Warriors

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:57:47 No.54641873 Report

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>>54641853
Don't worry, rumours suggest you can pay 1CP to give one unit the same ability that raven guard and alpha legion have always-on across the whole army.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:57:53 No.54641876 Report

Quoted By: >>54641926

>>54641843
>TH/SS Termies are strong in melee, but getting them there can be a bit awkward.
>Raven Guard Terminators sneaking up through the Shadows to start the game 9" away.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:57:58 No.54641878 Report

Quoted By: >>54641951

Is there any reason to spend $60 CAD more on a forgeworld knight instead of just getting a Crusader?

Looking at their forgeworld knights they don't even really look as good as the normal GW knights.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:58:23 No.54641882 Report

Quoted By: >>54641912 >>54641915

I'm told the Iron Warriors get 6+ FNP now.
Is this correct?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:58:58 No.54641890 Report

Quoted By: >>54642504

>>54641859
>I could have trusted my "sons" as I called them despite seeing them only as tools and been open with them about my plans and prevent them from becoming resentful as human beings are wont to do
>I JUST DIDN'T OKAY?!

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:59:01 No.54641891 Report

Quoted By: >>54641946

>>54641843
Deep striking is good, at the very least they'll tank half an army's worth of fire before dying OR actually punch something.

What about thinderfire cannons? Seem kinda fun

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:59:26 No.54641897 Report

Quoted By: >>54641927

>>54641869
Bullshit, Fuck you GW, let me have my god damn basilisks

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 15:59:39 No.54641900 Report

Quoted By: >>54641914

>>54641858
Latest FW FAQ, models with the Machina Malifica rule cannot be repaired , so basically every Hellforged vehicle afaik.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:00:03 No.54641903 Report

Quoted By: >>54641910 >>54642057

Can I make an effective army of Burna Boyz and Tankbustas? When will I get a Promethium Ork Tanker that extends Flamer ranges and auto explodes when it drops to 0 wounds

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:00:26 No.54641907 Report

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>>54641812
A thing I've been liking to do is deep strike termies into cover in rapid fire range of their front line, shoot them up, maybe lose 1-2, then teleport them back to my deployment next turn with a homing beacon. It's really fucking disruptive to suddenly have to deal with these terminators in front of them while the rest of my army moves up.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:00:36 No.54641910 Report

Quoted By: >>54642184

>>54641903
>flamers
>8th
Nah

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:00:46 No.54641912 Report

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>>54641842
Have faith word bearer >>54641882
As a strategem yes

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:00:51 No.54641914 Report

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>>54641900
Is there some rule that anything that might be neat or cool for chaos has to be ruined and made unviable so that they get steamrolled by everything? God damn

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:00:56 No.54641915 Report

Quoted By: >>54642781

>>54641882
Only if they spend a command point
>laughingIronHands.jpeg

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:01:12 No.54641919 Report

Quoted By: >>54642193

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:01:14 No.54641920 Report

Quoted By: >>54641963

>>54641717

I wanna remove a head from a model but the glue's being stubborn. Will leaving it outside for an hour or two then tossing it in the freezer overnight help remove the sonuva bitch?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:01:41 No.54641926 Report

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>>54641854
The issue is that assault vehicles no longer exist. So the Termies still have to get out at the start of movement and hoof it there themselves with 5" movement.

>>54641864
The re-rool is indeed nice. Although I'd probably still want shooting Termies in the teleport assult too.

>>54641876
They can do that anyway by teleporting. The RG strat is more useful on Agressors.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:01:58 No.54641927 Report

Quoted By: >>54641953

>>54641897
I remember old WDs with converted IW Basilisks.
It was a simpler time.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:02:39 No.54641933 Report

Quoted By: >>54641962 >>54641968 >>54642000 >>54642534 >>54643194

GW confirmed to fucking hate IW so much that they copy and pasted their fucking legion trait from the IF chapter tactic

Sometimes I wonder why I fucking bother with this hobby when the only things GW cares about is giving Marinefags the best and most unique shit.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:02:46 No.54641936 Report

Quoted By: >>54641977 >>54641993 >>54642002 >>54642411 >>54642773

What was the Dark Angels big secret again?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:03:11 No.54641942 Report

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>>54641787

Well of course the battle was self destructive, its not like either the IW or IF got any bonuses from cover

Shit was probably like one of those 17th century battles where both sides would just take it in turn blasting each other in the face

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:03:21 No.54641946 Report

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>>54641891
They were bad enough that GW buffed them between the index and the codex. I'm still sceptical.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:03:47 No.54641951 Report

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>>54641878
Nope, unless you're fighting a monster mash, in which case the Atropos is funny as hell.

The Styrix is *okay* as the hits like a truck and potentially gets even more shots, and the castigator can fuck up shit with his gear, but generally no.

Styrix is the only worthwhile one, though I love the look of them all. Mageara is just pathetic

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:03:52 No.54641952 Report

Quoted By: >>54641988 >>54642265 >>54643032

>Fleshmetal Exoskeleton is back with a 2+ and auto-heal per turn for DPs
Fear my erection, for it is iron.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:03:54 No.54641953 Report

Quoted By: >>54641960 >>54641999 >>54642007

>>54641927
I remember when WD wasn't basically an expensive monthly catalogue of the latest GW products.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:04:33 No.54641960 Report

Quoted By: >>54641976

>>54641953
You must be old as fuck then

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:04:37 No.54641962 Report

Quoted By: >>54642062

>>54641933
>IW and IF both autists about sieges
>But their special rule should be different to reflect that they're the same shit in different colours.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:04:39 No.54641963 Report

Quoted By: >>54642831

>>54641920
Have you tried being friends with it first?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:05:02 No.54641968 Report

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>>54641933
Hi, welcome to 40k, please refer to the receptionist and she will point you to the correct complaints department, Green Cucks, Pointy Cucks, Tranny Cucks.....

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:05:05 No.54641969 Report

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Chadmarines have really gown on me, I'm sort of tempted to pick up the loyalist half of Dark Imperium now

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:05:29 No.54641974 Report

Quoted By: >>54642039 >>54642169

I lost 7 tons in a month with this one weird trick a Catachan housewife found that the Ecclesiarchy don't want you to know.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:05:36 No.54641976 Report

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>>54641960
It didn't start to shift that way until the mid 90's. Usually the first few pages were HERE'S THE NEW STUFF ISN'T IT COOL and the preceding pages were FUCK YEAH HOBBY

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:05:40 No.54641977 Report

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>>54641936
They're super gay.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:06:19 No.54641984 Report

Quoted By: >>54642008 >>54642072

>>54641852

Thanks anon.

Who rocks Butcher Cannons? FW Dreads only?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:06:47 No.54641988 Report

Quoted By: >>54642033

>>54641952
Admittedly, that's pretty cool
Chaos Lords and Daemon Princes are great for us now.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:07:05 No.54641993 Report

Quoted By: >>54643563

>>54641936
But what's the sauce with those double dudes

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:07:29 No.54641999 Report

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>>54641953
They show conversions and such all the time since they switched back to monthly from the shitty weekly version. The recurring Blanchistsu feature for example.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:07:36 No.54642000 Report

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>>54641933
It's not hate. Hate implies caring in some way. It's pure and simple laziness/apathy

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:07:45 No.54642001 Report

Quoted By: >>54642014 >>54642028 >>54642035 >>54642038 >>54642697

>>54641832
Didn't X-Wing report better results than 40k recently, or is there more numbers/behind the scenes stuff at play there?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:07:46 No.54642002 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641936
The Rock.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:08:38 No.54642007 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641953
That's litteraly what current WD is.
Conversions, painting tips, batreps, all of it.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:08:46 No.54642008 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641984
Yes

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:08:46 No.54642010 Report

Quoted By: >>54642022 >>54642045 >>54642679

So last night I made a post debating what I should start with (WE, WB, EC, DE, or orks). Thanks for the replies. If the whole NPC thing is just a tg meme (idk, someone said it to me in the store), then I don't mind it much. I'm pretty sure I don't want to paint a hoard of orks, and I dont think I can afford FW world eaters.
The only thing keeping me from going WB over EC is that I don't know how they'll play yet, and I don't understand the concept of chaos undivided. How do they receive favor? Are some of their dudes all nurgle-ish while others are slaaneshi?
Dark eldar are also still on the table. I just don't know too much about them.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:09:04 No.54642014 Report

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>>54642001
Of course X Wing will do better, normies Fucking love star memes.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:09:08 No.54642016 Report

Quoted By: >>54642787

Can someone post that cool tutorial on painting Alpha Legion armor with thin layers above a metalic primer ? Saw it a while ago and forget to save it

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:09:40 No.54642022 Report

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>>54642010
Just wait for the CSM codex to find its way to the MEGA. Make your legion choice then.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:10:00 No.54642027 Report

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I have over 8k points of Orks, and no Trukks. Post looted counts as Trukks??

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:10:04 No.54642028 Report

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>>54642001
The reports your reffering to is only 3rd party sales in NA (which is a small part of GW sales, while 3rd part sales are the vast majority of xwing sales) and is also a couple years old now.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:10:15 No.54642033 Report

Quoted By: >>54642086 >>54642313

>>54641988
Indeed, dubsman. I play Thousand Sons mainly so seeing the bonus tzeentch power is pretty nice there.

Yesterday's power had Mark of Slaanesh on it too, I'm willing to bet the marks now just give you a power to use if they're psykers, with maybe Khorne's being an ability.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:10:23 No.54642035 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642001
Better results as in what?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:10:33 No.54642038 Report

Quoted By: >>54642845

>>54642001
X-Wing had better sales in NA from independent stores. GW does most of it's business through its own stores.
X-Wing also has Star Wars brand power in a time where Star Wars is being heavily marketed for the new movies.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:10:36 No.54642039 Report

Quoted By: >>54642050 >>54642058

>>54641974
You know, that doesn't look half bad

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:10:51 No.54642045 Report

Quoted By: >>54642143

>>54642010
It is a meme. But anyone who tells you Space Marines aren't favored on the release schedule and in the fluff overall is fucking lying to you.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:11:24 No.54642050 Report

Quoted By: >>54642076

>>54642039
You kidding? It's just baby carrier 2.0, its far too thin

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:11:48 No.54642057 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641903
That helmet on the right one is cute

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:11:50 No.54642058 Report

Quoted By: >>54642188

>>54642039
At least now it doesn't look like the chadnought skipped leg day

FUCKING CAPTCHA STOP CRASHING AND FORCING ME TO RELOAD MY SHIT

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:11:58 No.54642062 Report

Quoted By: >>54642090 >>54642112

>>54641962

Horus heresy was able to pull this off pretty well

>IF get BS 5 with bolter weapons and stubborn when in forts, get proto crusaders and special breachers for defending positions
>IW get immunity to morale from shooting, BS 5 tankhunter Havoks that give -1 to enemy cover saves and terminator squads all with missile launchers
>IF RoWs are about getting super tough infantry or launching coid boarding assaults
>IW RoWs are about using a combined arms force with lots of expendable dudes who storm positions or bombing the hell outta the other guy

These aren't perfect or necessarily play out amazingly on the TT, but they're fluffy and thematic and represent different aspects of the same subset of grinding attritional warfare

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:12:44 No.54642072 Report

Quoted By: >>54642166

>>54641984
Yup.
Looks like any Chaos Dread variant may take a Butcher Cannon weapon

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:13:16 No.54642076 Report

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>>54642050
At least it has some bloody front armour.
But yeah stick an X-NUMBERS label to it and file some edges and it's fucking Tau tech.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:13:48 No.54642086 Report

Quoted By: >>54642121 >>54642313

>>54642033
Na, vehicles have them too. It has to do something else.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:14:03 No.54642087 Report

Quoted By: >>54642100 >>54642123 >>54645625

So here's my current plan for my Iron Fists primaris successor chapter, 2000 points

Captain in gravis armor and Armor Indomitus
Power sword Lt with Burning Blade
5 stalker intercessors with GL + power sword
10 bolt rifle intercessors with GL + power sword
10 bolt rifle intercessors with GL + power sword
3 flamer aggressors
5 rapid fire hellblasters
6 assault bolter inceptors
Redemptor with macro plasma, onslaught cannon, 2 storm bolters
Repulsor with TL lascannon, lastalon, onslaught cannon, 2 storm bolters, 2 fragstorms, 2 krakstorms, icarus rocket pod, ironhail heavy stubber

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:14:25 No.54642090 Report

Quoted By: >>54642112

>>54642062
HH is fluffy as fuck but only because it has tons of USR.

GW doesn't want their core products to become bogged down with that shit, and I'm inclined to agree with them.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:15:05 No.54642100 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642087
Imperial Fists, whoops.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:15:10 No.54642103 Report

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>3++r1 Magnus
>2++ Whats'his'name
>4++ Rubrics and Tzaangors

Hot damn.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:15:35 No.54642109 Report

Quoted By: >>54642197 >>54642357

So... can Kor'sarro Khan no longer ride a bike?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:15:39 No.54642112 Report

Quoted By: >>54642147

>>54642090
>>54642062
HH is also dead as fuck now

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:16:18 No.54642121 Report

Quoted By: >>54642161 >>54642313 >>54642452

>>54642086
Oh shit really? I didn't remember. Well either way, I can't wait to find out but I gotta wait probably another few months for my own TS codex. Ho hum.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:16:27 No.54642123 Report

Quoted By: >>54642151 >>54642173

>>54642087
>Iron Fists
Banana Within, Banana WIthout.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:17:20 No.54642137 Report

Quoted By: >>54642194

>>54641734

> TFW Word Bearers Legion trait looks pretty damn useless

I had a feeling they would get shafted, but come on. Being a legion of religious demon-worshiping zealots gives them a mostly inconsequential leadership rule?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:17:37 No.54642143 Report

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>>54642045
Oh I totally figured that out from day 1. That's why I already hate them and won't use them.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:18:08 No.54642147 Report

Quoted By: >>54642200

>>54642112
Do you mean figuratively (because of 8e hype) or literally? (RIP Alan Bligh)

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:18:22 No.54642151 Report

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>>54642123
>"Hi dad, it's me, Perturabo."
>"Who?"
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:19:14 No.54642161 Report

Quoted By: >>54642274 >>54642313

>>54642121
You and me both. All is dust, brother.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:19:27 No.54642166 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642072
>>54641852

Ok, so -7 to 8ish if you do 3 casualties, hit with a Butcher Cannon and have 2 units (with a spawn) within 6".

Not terrible, then it's pretty much straight dice on how many they lose. That could be pretty devastating on expensive units.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:19:46 No.54642169 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641974

Guy who made that edit here: I might actually try that conversion when I have a little more free cash floating about.

The main thing it fixes is the over-wide stance making the legs look undersized and causing a weird double-shoulder effect with both square and round shoulders. It also makes the reference to the rogue trader dread more obvious.

I will admit it looks less like a boxy-dread, but on the other hand that might be a good thing in a way? Make it look like someone tried to reinvent a Contemptor without any notes, cobbling it together from stuff the modern imperium can make and having to settle for a less elegant look and no shield generator.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:20:01 No.54642170 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641771

Because MagicJuggler, GW is outselling those competitors like 3/1.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:20:32 No.54642173 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642123
>IW just had plain yellow patches on their armour until someone thought they were in IF chapter
NO COLOURS ANY-MORE I WANT THEM TO-Oh shit we've only got half the black paint we need.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:21:22 No.54642184 Report

Quoted By: >>54642195

>>54641910
Flamers aren't HORRIBLE. That said, basically everything else is a better option outside of trying to fight overwatch.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:22:08 No.54642188 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642058
Use legacy captcha, don't ask, just do it.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:22:29 No.54642193 Report

Quoted By: >>54642219

>>54641919
Damn I just got really nostalgic looking at that pic. Don't quite know why.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:22:32 No.54642194 Report

Quoted By: >>54642201

>>54642137
I can see where they were going with it, paring rerolls with dark apostles standing near cultists. The problem I keep experiencing is cultists tend to die in numbers so high that no leadership score is going to keep them on the board.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:22:40 No.54642195 Report

Quoted By: >>54642228

>>54642184
Between the shit range, the random nature and the cost. You are better of spamming Storm Bolters than trying to make flamers work in anyone that can't move 10"+ on their own.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:23:04 No.54642197 Report

Quoted By: >>54642262

>>54642109

There's a points cost for it and everything.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:23:29 No.54642200 Report

Quoted By: >>54642319

>>54642147
Yes, but mostly the former. Which sucks, I actually quite liked it. But now that it's stuck in crappy 7th rules, there's no reason to play it.
Has FW realized they made a grave mistake and back tracked on the whole not switching to 8th thing yet?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:23:32 No.54642201 Report

Quoted By: >>54642243

>>54642194
I guess you could use the IW warlord trait?

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:25:17 No.54642219 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642193
It's what I'm here for, I'm glad I could help someone.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:26:11 No.54642228 Report

Quoted By: >>54642502

>>54642195
>Can't move 10" on their own
LaughingFlamersofTzeentch.png

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:26:18 No.54642229 Report

Quoted By:

>Plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma

Are we sure the Primarch who returned wasn't actually the lion?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:26:45 No.54642233 Report

Quoted By: >>54642252 >>54642261 >>54642345

>MoT units get +1 inv' or a straight up 5++

Not bad at all, especially if marks stay a free bonus (which I doubt but hey, let's dream).
Also, 3++ Tzeentch Leviathan ? Yes please.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:28:01 No.54642243 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642201
I'll hold off on that until I see some strategems for Word Bearers. I expect that with a lack luster legion trait they will get some baller strategems and war gear that lend themselves to keeping cultists on the board.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:29:05 No.54642252 Report

Quoted By: >>54642268

>>54642233
wtf i love tzeentch now

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:30:10 No.54642261 Report

Quoted By: >>54642278

>>54642233
It's a psyker power

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:30:23 No.54642262 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642197
Page number? Didn't see it in the new codex.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:30:30 No.54642265 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641952
Now you'll get a 6+ armor from anything that matters to match your 6+ fnp strategem, gratz

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:30:48 No.54642268 Report

Quoted By: >>54642275 >>54642299

>>54642252
>tfw traitors can't have double grav bombard

suffering.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:31:53 No.54642274 Report

Quoted By: >>54642313

>>54642161
Our time will come and it will be magical

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:31:59 No.54642275 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642268
We can now. See the latest FW FAQ.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:32:05 No.54642276 Report

Quoted By: >>54642340

What should I paint the main body of my Cyclopses? My Guard are Grey/Blue but I don't think a normal grey would work well.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:32:13 No.54642278 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642261
Yhea I know, but given that you play TS at least half of your shit is a psyker anyway.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:34:04 No.54642299 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642268
We can tho.
it was fixed in FAQ

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:35:39 No.54642313 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642274
>>54642161
>>54642121
>>54642086
>>54642033

Having MoT just makes you a legal target for the psychic power, just like the Slaanesh one.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:35:54 No.54642319 Report

Quoted By: >>54642501

>>54642200
I dunno. I think they were caught off-guard by 8th. Considering how much they botched the Imperial Armor updates (Tau Manta had a gun it cannot fire), I don't blame them for wanting to play it safe with their flagship product.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:36:44 No.54642331 Report

Quoted By: >>54642356

Laugh at the Ironlets.

Laugh.

Also will CSM get objective secured?

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:37:15 No.54642340 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642276
Make it a sombre grey then

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:37:20 No.54642342 Report

Quoted By:

Does the hive tyrant kit come with monstrous rending claws, I can't see them in any of the photos, and why is there only one bonesword foot

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:37:24 No.54642345 Report

Quoted By: >>54642365

>>54642233
Chaos Levi has a 5++ vs Ranged for some reason and costs more, 4++ and heals in melee though

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:37:31 No.54642346 Report

Quoted By: >>54642490

>>54641734
FUCKING REDDITSPACING AGAIN

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:38:17 No.54642356 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642331
According to Spikeybits yes

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:38:18 No.54642357 Report

Quoted By: >>54642402

>>54642109
Use the index entry.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:38:18 No.54642358 Report

Quoted By:

So is the Alpha Legion trait good

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:38:45 No.54642365 Report

Quoted By: >>54642386 >>54642388

>>54642345
>and costs more
Perhaps because it heals for every slain unit??

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:40:15 No.54642373 Report

Quoted By: >>54642395

Relic Contemptor with multi melta, cyclone missile launcher and chainfist, what palm of the hand weapon best supports this?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:41:17 No.54642386 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642365

And has +1 attack.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:41:21 No.54642388 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642365
Just non-overwatch kills in the Fight Phase, there's probably a better spend of 353pts if you want a melee beater

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:41:58 No.54642395 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642373
Graviton gun

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:42:10 No.54642398 Report

Quoted By:

Hmm, what if the Thousand Son's legion trait is 'each psychic power can be cast two times'.

Not sure they'd do it though, since it only works for match play.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:42:14 No.54642400 Report

Quoted By: >>54642488

How many units have you slain by crushing them beneath the treads of a Baneblade, fellow guardsmen?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:42:22 No.54642402 Report

Quoted By: >>54642433 >>54642526

>>54642357
Is that allowed, now that the codex is out?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:43:01 No.54642411 Report

Quoted By: >>54642428

>>54641936
They actually have the best Primarch, the others just had way better PR teams.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:44:26 No.54642428 Report

Quoted By: >>54642478

>>54642411
Not canon.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:44:51 No.54642433 Report

Quoted By: >>54642469

>>54642402
Yep, same with dreadnoughts using autocannons

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:46:37 No.54642452 Report

Quoted By: >>54642486

>>54642121
Sure hope it's worth it

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:48:14 No.54642469 Report

Quoted By: >>54642487 >>54642500

>>54642433

I can't believe the day finally came when taking Autocannons on a dreadnought was actually a good idea.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:48:44 No.54642478 Report

Quoted By: >>54642493 >>54642515 >>54642531

>>54642428
You can almost hear the collective fapping noises coming out from GWHQ

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:49:07 No.54642486 Report

Quoted By: >>54642523 >>54642629

>>54642452
Getting enough different psychic powers so that all Sorcerers have something to do each psychic phase would be nice.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:49:10 No.54642487 Report

Quoted By: >>54642531 >>54642570

>>54642469
Is this sarcasm?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:49:13 No.54642488 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642400
none yet in 8th. but i once crushed Mortarion with a Typhon which was sweet

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:49:39 No.54642490 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642346
Please kys and trouble this board no more

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:49:53 No.54642493 Report

Quoted By: >>54642508 >>54642513

>>54642478
>It's wank now that my Legion isn't the best!

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:50:21 No.54642500 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642469
>I can't believe the day finally came when taking Autocannons on a dreadnought was actually a good idea.

Rifledreads were pretty popular in 5e.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:50:23 No.54642501 Report

Quoted By: >>54642624 >>54643668

>>54642319
I think the main issue is that FW thought that people liked HH because it's a legitimately good ruleset, rather than is being popular because it was better than 7th. Now, when a better 40k ruleset has came along, people have dropped HH and gone back to 40k, and FW is left in the dust because they didn't understand what people actually wanted. What's real sad is seeing the people in /hhg/ who try to defend the decision to stay with 7th, or who say that 8th is only drawing people away right now "because it's new"

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:50:39 No.54642502 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642228
Indeed. Unless you can move fast by your own means, flamers are utterly useless.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:50:45 No.54642504 Report

Quoted By: >>54644203

>>54641890

How does this address with the other dude said in any way, shape or form? You aren't shitposting are you?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:50:53 No.54642508 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642493
>implying GW hasn't been fellating the Ultramarines since time immemorial

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:51:16 No.54642513 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642493
Every legion was the best at something. Ultramarines just happened to be the best at being the best at everything :^)

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:51:31 No.54642515 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642478
Yea, it's not like it hasn't been a part of the lore since 2e with the original Codex Ultramarines that stated flat out that they were the most successful legion, period, and it wasn't until the later Index Astartes that said anything different.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:52:02 No.54642523 Report

Quoted By: >>54643109

>>54642486
Oh hell yeah, I would also love Ectomancy and Telekinesis back.
I loved the idea of those two disciplines.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:52:09 No.54642526 Report

Quoted By: >>54642540 >>54642643

>>54642402
Yes, Anon. Anything not in the codex but in the Index, you use the Index.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:52:33 No.54642531 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642487
People around here have short memories, see >>54642478, for example.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:52:39 No.54642533 Report

Quoted By: >>54642561 >>54642588 >>54642599

The BRRRRT Redemptor Dreadnaut looks pretty fun.
For 202 points, you get the Heavy Onslaught cannon, the Onslaught Cannon and 2 storm bolters. 18 S5 shots per turn, at 2 Rapid 2 S4 because why not.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:52:45 No.54642534 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641933

I wonder why you bother too. Fuck off Perturabo, you won't be missed.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:53:20 No.54642540 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642526
>tfw this upsets those same people who have being crying that they bought the index for nothing now that the marine codex is released so quickly.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:55:11 No.54642561 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642533
But the gaint oversized plasma cannon is the only thing tempting me to get one. If only the redemptor dread itself wasn't so ugly ...

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:55:54 No.54642570 Report

Quoted By: >>54642596 >>54642796

>>54642487

They were fucking garbage last time around. Most improved dread weapon by a long shot: Doubled rate of fire, doubled damage, and AP4 actually does something.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:57:17 No.54642588 Report

Quoted By: >>54642686

>>54642533

Don't forget your shitty sky autocannon.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:58:05 No.54642596 Report

Quoted By: >>54642619

>>54642570
7th edition wasn't the only one, anon.
They were good in 4e-6e, especially in 4e when only DAs got the mortis platform.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 16:58:13 No.54642599 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642533
That's what? 6 heavy bolter marines?

Not that special. You get a fully kitted out predator for less than that.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:00:43 No.54642619 Report

Quoted By: >>54642757

>>54642596
>Good in 6th

If they weren't good in 7th they weren't good in 6th kiddo.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:01:14 No.54642624 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642501
Andy Hoare is one of the main FW writers, and it shows. He is the guy that did 3.5 Witch Hunters after all. The HH and 7e FW books were all cool even after relative power levels (Ordnance Tyrant gunlines), but because they were extremely Your Dudes. Stuff like Corsairs being multiple feuding Coteries banded under the will of a maniacal Corsair Prince, who had a character-defining obsession, which would reflect in the army (s)he commanded? That's cool stuff. That's narrative-forging, far more than "Random Warlord Traits hurr".

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:01:38 No.54642629 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642486
Getting something that lets aspiring and occult sorcerers do anything at all would be nice.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:02:19 No.54642643 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642526
Cool, thanks.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:03:32 No.54642660 Report

Quoted By: >>54642681

I've seen a huge surge in people fielding almost entirely mono-slaanesh Daemons with supplementary Noise Marines and Havocs, seriously shredding Horde armies like IG and Ork.

One trick pony or fluke?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:04:58 No.54642679 Report

Quoted By: >>54642762

>>54642010
Chaos Undivided is in theory worshipping the gods as a pantheon, drawing on all of their strengths without devoting yourself entirely to one ideal.

In the books, any WB that goes a bit too far is seen as damaged and deviating away from the word of Lorgar, which is a major no-no.

In the game, it's unlikely there's going to be anything really undivided-y, so you're better off taking marks and playing to synergies, despite it being mildly fluff breaking.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:05:02 No.54642681 Report

Quoted By: >>54642695

>>54642660
They've always been midtier as mono. They lack any sort of staying power beyond LoC, which has to run up the board real slow

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:05:12 No.54642685 Report

Quoted By: >>54642731

Do the Custodes or Sisters of Silence have the equivalent of a chapter symbol to paint o their vehicles and shit?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:05:14 No.54642686 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642588
I actively chosen to believe the Icarus Rocket Pod didn't exist. Although it is included in those points, it doesn't contribute to the BRRRT

BRRT Repulsor can dish out more shots, but it is also nearly 300 points. I guess it can move and shoot without penalty which is neat, but god damn it is a big investment for a troop transport.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:05:15 No.54642687 Report

Quoted By: >>54642734

>see EC + IW traits

So, who want to bet that Word Bearers will get something useless again? Maybe something for summoning, a dead mechanic in 8th in matched play.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:05:56 No.54642693 Report

Quoted By: >>54642735 >>54642906 >>54643037 >>54643553

Any ideas on how to convert these into plague marines? I'd like to use them as possessed.

Feels like they just need shoulderpads and a backpack really.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:06:05 No.54642695 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642681
Woops KoS, as you can tell I've switched to mono T

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:06:17 No.54642697 Report

Quoted By: >>54642724 >>54642765

>>54642001
I don't get Xwing. Where's the fun in pre-assembled, pre-painted shit?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:06:48 No.54642703 Report

Quoted By: >>54642729 >>54642738

Why do the Iron Warriors job so hard in 40k?

Failing to take the Phalanx, getting their fortress planet BTFO by the Fists, and being smacked around by the Ultras in the beginning of Dark Imperium.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:08:33 No.54642724 Report

Quoted By: >>54643313

>>54642697
StarWars
Thats about it

X-Wing has the same problem I have with warmachine. Both games feel like playing a card game with miniatures. No idea why but that is how it feels to me.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:09:06 No.54642729 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642703

They're a shit legion. You'll notice the legions that are actually competent (world Eaters, Emperor's Children etc) rarely job in the fluff.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:09:14 No.54642731 Report

Quoted By: >>54642864

>>54642685
Aquilas out the ass, for SoS you could do the Astra Telepathica symbol which is this or the I with an eye in the middle.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:09:24 No.54642734 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642687
If the reroll morale thing is legit it's honestly a big so what. Oh great I may lose even more cultists from my big 20 blobs, truly this is 10,000 years worth of training.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:09:25 No.54642735 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642693
Shoulderpads are a minor thing. Swap some hands to get the ranged weapons in there instead.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:09:41 No.54642738 Report

Quoted By: >>54642972

>>54642703
>Why do the Iron Warriors job so hard in 40k?

They're the NPC Rival to the Imperial Fist PC

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:11:13 No.54642750 Report

Quoted By: >>54642830 >>54643011 >>54643585

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:11:41 No.54642757 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642619
Yes, oh wise grandmaster, please show us your skilled mathhammer that proves that mortis platforms were not the best anti-air point for point in SM armies until a handful of rule changes made them obsolete.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:12:15 No.54642762 Report

Quoted By: >>54642899

>>54642679
To be fair, 6th edition CSM codex says on page 13 that each Word Bearer devotes themselves to a single Chaos God.

>Dedicating every new blasphemy to the Ruinous Powers, they each venerate one of the Chaotic pantheon with manic fervour.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:12:19 No.54642765 Report

Quoted By: >>54643460

>>54642697
Because it's star wars.
X-wing is also not meant for playing by actual dedicated hobbyists, it's meant for people who want to play a star wars table top game. It's why I think it's stupid to compare it to actual wargames, because it's missing such a huge part of all other wargames

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:12:46 No.54642773 Report

Quoted By: >>54643563

>>54641936
Sauce that fine slit anon

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:13:35 No.54642781 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641915
Iron may be within, but their Flesh is still weak

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:14:00 No.54642787 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642016

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:14:33 No.54642795 Report

Quoted By: >>54642824 >>54642865 >>54643584

Would I be That guy if I started a primaris marine army but paint them as Alpha legion? I would also want to use tempestus scions as cultists.

I figure that this way I can start one space Marine amry to cover loyalists and heretics.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:14:38 No.54642796 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642570
Rifledreads were a staple in 5e, and doubly so for Grey Knights. They lost their viability in 6e/7e as the game became more about Bikes and Monsters but still had niche use for popping light vehicles at range. I mean, Marines got Grav for everything else...

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:14:49 No.54642798 Report

Quoted By: >>54642867 >>54646120

>wants to buy HH Audiobooks
>goes to Black Library
>get everything I want proceed to checkout
>they dont accept Paypal in 2017
>Credit Card only
>fucking Americans expect everyone to own a credit card

are there any Black Library Mp4s in the Archives/megas somewhere?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:15:03 No.54642799 Report

Quoted By: >>54642815 >>54642825 >>54642832 >>54644778

Is leadbelcher spray shit? Not sure if i should use black or leadbelcher for gk basing

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:16:26 No.54642815 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642799
Black then the other.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:17:04 No.54642824 Report

Quoted By: >>54642838

>>54642795
I cringe unbelievably hard whenever I see Primaris traitor marines.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:17:10 No.54642825 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642799
metallic sprays in general. The nozzle clogs really easily.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:17:43 No.54642830 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642750
If I don't see a chaos conversion of this with huge fangs I'll be disappoint

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:17:45 No.54642831 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641963

j-jesus christ

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:17:48 No.54642832 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642799
Colored GW sprays are pretty good. They aren't true primers so they don't have quite as much tooth, but they give a nice thin coat with good coverage and should work well for most people. Main issue is they're really expensive.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:18:12 No.54642838 Report

Quoted By: >>54642859

>>54642824
But Primaris are Alpha Legion. The recent book didn't even try to sugar coat it.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:18:50 No.54642845 Report

Quoted By: >>54642948

>>54642038
Gw does most of its allotted business in NA through Inde retailers, close to 80% of it's brick and mortar sales (clearly this does not include it's online sales which obviously throw it all to hell)

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:20:15 No.54642859 Report

Quoted By: >>54642912 >>54643141

>>54642838
Oh I didn't know that. Could I get a quote please? I haven't read that myself and I'd love to go and tell my 40k playing friends and watch them rage.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:20:34 No.54642864 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642731
might go for that on the rhino and an aquila on the land raider. thanks

Trap Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:20:51 No.54642865 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642795
I'd say go for it, but I love alpha Legion and I think primaris would look good in AL colors

I have a few I've been tinkering with, filed off the aquilas and I was thinking of using FW heads to distinguish them a little

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:21:07 No.54642867 Report

Quoted By: >>54643055

>>54642798
>not using iTunes
>implying it's not British
>MP4 for audiobooks
>being a poorfag
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:22:49 No.54642884 Report

Quoted By: >>54643022 >>54643055

I'm not sure if I should be excited or scared for these legion previews. On one hand, it will be what decides if I go chaos or not, and will break a tie between 3 legions for me, but on the other hand, it could just ruin them for me.
Do you think word bearers and world eaters will get anything good? And is the EC ability any good? I'm kinda just starting out, so I can't quite gauge how it is

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:23:31 No.54642899 Report

Quoted By: >>54643022 >>54643245

>>54642762
Why did GW not allow WB to have cult troops in Traitor Legions then?

I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just that they've been entirely inconsistent. I'd rather the WB have an 'empowered' undivided but, no fun allowed.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:24:24 No.54642906 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642693
Perfect possessed

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:24:37 No.54642912 Report

Quoted By: >>54643141

>>54642859
There's no quote.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:24:55 No.54642920 Report

Quoted By: >>54642947 >>54642965 >>54642983

I really like primaris models it might be stockholm syndrome and might make a little force of chadmarine-only.

For a battle-forged army, which chapter seems to be the most appropriate ?
Salamanders'rules looks fine (the +1T relic is always nice). But raven guard too (overall a slow army, the -1 to hit might help).

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:26:28 No.54642947 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642920
Ultramarines are literally the best

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:26:36 No.54642948 Report

Quoted By: >>54643364 >>54643509

>>54642845
Except that's wrong, you fucking moron. 41% of all GW sales come from Games workshop and Warhammer stores, and GW doesn't release info on how they break down on each continent. Why are you lying about one of the few things GW actually provides info about?
"Sales by channel
41% (2016: 41%) of sales were made through our own stores, 38% (2016: 38%) of sales were to independent retailers and 21% (2016: 21%) were mail order."
https://19485-presscdn-0-14-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2016-17-Press-statement.pdf

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:27:20 No.54642957 Report

Quoted By: >>54642993 >>54643003 >>54643053 >>54643058 >>54643085 >>54643628

yo lesbians I have the new white dwarf

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:27:36 No.54642964 Report

Quoted By: >>54643034

How many Biovores are needed to make me look like a WAACfag? I want to field them, but don't want to make my LGS hate me.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:27:37 No.54642965 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642920
>For a battle-forged army, which chapter seems to be the most appropriate ?
Which ever you like the most

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:28:14 No.54642970 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641775
Iron Warriors trait is pretty good. I'm happy with it.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:28:24 No.54642972 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642738
>NPC
>PC
what

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:29:05 No.54642983 Report

Quoted By: >>54643003 >>54643019 >>54643054

>>54642920
>Salamanders'rules looks fine (the +1T relic is always nice)

Would that stack with Gravis Armor? And if so would the T7 be of any practical use compared to T6?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:30:23 No.54642993 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642957
Post all new releases

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:31:01 No.54643000 Report

Quoted By: >>54643007 >>54643065 >>54643095 >>54643321 >>54643490

LADS

Should I keep posting? People don't really seem interested

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:31:25 No.54643003 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642957
post the dreadknight thing plz

>>54642983
>Would that stack with Gravis Armor?
yes
>And if so would the T7 be of any practical use compared to T6?
no

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:31:40 No.54643007 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643000
Keep posting anon.
Show us the new releases please

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:31:53 No.54643011 Report

Quoted By: >>54643200

>>54642750
Needs more googly eyes.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:32:21 No.54643018 Report

Quoted By:

Post Word Bearers, fluff, rules, whatever

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:32:26 No.54643019 Report

Quoted By: >>54643051

>>54642983

Only differences is T7 would make:
S6 Wound on 5+
S7 Wound on 4+
S12 Wound on 3+

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:32:31 No.54643022 Report

Quoted By: >>54643301

>>54642884
>>54642899
WB will be shit because they have no idea what to do with them. If its not muh fast slaanesh, muh attack khorne, muh rotten toughness nurgle or muh magic tzeentch it will get shit rules.
See also: Changes to possessed. They add a wound, yet thats not why possessed are shit.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:33:07 No.54643032 Report

Quoted By: >>54643059

>>54641952
No true son of Perturabo would run a DP. Daemons are for spineless cowards. Only blood and iron are worthy of an Iron Warrior!

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:33:13 No.54643034 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642964
In a 2k point game I'd say >8-9, they dirt cheap artillery that miss half the time and do a max 3 wounds a shot 1/36th of the time

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:33:15 No.54643037 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642693
tobe honest? Backpacks and boltguns/pistols and you're good.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:34:25 No.54643051 Report

Quoted By: >>54643113

>>54643019
Given plasma tends to be S7 or thereabouts, seems kind of worth it.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:34:47 No.54643053 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642957
>wild new marine strategem appears
they going to post random strategems in WD now?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:34:48 No.54643054 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642983
well since plasma is really popular right now, 7+ is 1/6 of normalshot hits ignored which would normally wound

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:34:50 No.54643055 Report

Quoted By: >>54643088

>>54642867
Black Library is actually based in the US and people outside the States aren't all retarded and own a credit card if they do not need one

>>54642884
The EC ability is good but not as good as people hype it up to be, atleast it isnt useless like the IW one.

What is Poweful is their Shoot-Twice Stratagem on Big Units but its pretty predictable and only used like 1-2 times

But Shooty Armies wouldnt bother charging you anyway, Tyrannids have similar rules on certain Units. It is decent against full on Assault Armies like World-Eaters though as you can chill back and shoot them down with your better shooting and by the time they arrive crippled you get to hit first and finish them off.

I still believe that World-Eaters are the better melee Army in comparison to EC, especially if they get the retarded Traitor-legion trait back where they could almost guarantee a First turn charge. But the rules preview atleast makes me Happy having a EC Army instead of being the drooler legion compared to TS DG and WE

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:35:07 No.54643058 Report

Quoted By: >>54643085

>>54642957
Cool I wonder how the Chaos Boons stratagem will work

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:35:08 No.54643059 Report

Quoted By: >>54643086 >>54643094 >>54643220

>>54643032
>Perturbo, the deamon, hates deamons, is perturbed.

Checks out.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:35:33 No.54643065 Report

Quoted By: >>54643103 >>54643490

>>54643000
Combined with the laspistol tease, isn't this basically confirmed now?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:37:15 No.54643085 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642957
now that I think of it does that mean all GK characters only have an aura of 6
>>54643058
probably the same shit as Chapter Master

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:37:21 No.54643086 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643059

Mortarion, the immaterial demon, hates the warp and warpcraft

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:37:29 No.54643088 Report

Quoted By: >>54643182

>>54643055
I wouldn't say 'ignores cover' is useless anon. I know covers not as strong as it was last edition, but that's the main draw of my Noise Marines and it's sure to make GEQ armies sweat.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:37:48 No.54643094 Report

Quoted By: >>54643121 >>54643162

>>54643059
>Mortarian, the daemon prince, hates magic, is literally made of magic

I wonder if Horus ever realised he fucked up when he noticed the only primarchs who'd followed him into treason were massive idiots and insane psychotics.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:37:49 No.54643095 Report

Quoted By: >>54643140

>>54643000
Fag this has already been posted, do you really have the new white dwarf or are you posting from Reddit
Post the whole page at a time of new releases

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:38:02 No.54643102 Report

Quoted By: >>54643122 >>54643130 >>54643136 >>54643156 >>54643159 >>54643235 >>54643260

Why the fuck does this exist

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:38:03 No.54643103 Report

Quoted By: >>54643147

>>54643065
Yes.
NECROMUNDA IS BACK BABY, TIME FOR HOUSE CAWDOR TO PUGE SOME HERETICS!
I really really really hope we get a new redeemer comic with it, and of course arbites.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:38:36 No.54643109 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642523
>wanting the cancer that was invisibility back

no, fuck off.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:38:51 No.54643113 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643051
Yes that's what I thought too.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:39:22 No.54643121 Report

Quoted By: >>54643150 >>54643162

>>54643094
I think there's a part in one of the books where Horus goes full George Bluth, puts his head in his hands and goes "I've got the worst fucking Primarchs"

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:39:30 No.54643122 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643102
POST NEW RELEASES FIRST BUT IN THIS FORMAT FAG

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:40:02 No.54643130 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643102
DO NOT WANT

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:40:17 No.54643136 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643102
because fuck yeah

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:40:31 No.54643140 Report

Quoted By: >>54643180 >>54643191 >>54643217 >>54643243 >>54643256 >>54643280

>>54643095
I fucking try you dick

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:40:33 No.54643141 Report

Quoted By: >>54643170

>>54642859
>>54642912
You sure?

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:41:03 No.54643147 Report

Quoted By: >>54643265 >>54643326

>>54643103

I really hope they include rules for using Necromunda units in 40k. They'd add some wonderful flavour to the Imperium.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:41:24 No.54643150 Report

Quoted By: >>54643285

>>54643121
Not quite the same, but in Path of Heaven Horus asks Morty to go chase down the White Scars because he's the only one he can rely on to get it done. Or so he thought.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:41:34 No.54643156 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643102
Hey! You should TOTALLY buy a second Grand Master Voldus, Warden of the Librarius. Don't worry. You can buy Grand Master Voldus, Warden of the Librarius as a stand alone character.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:41:45 No.54643159 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643102
MMMMMM YES, YOUR RAGE MAKES ME STRONGER

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:42:12 No.54643162 Report

Quoted By: >>54643218 >>54643339

>>54643094
>>54643121

>“Strange is it not, that so many I wish beside me stand against me, while at my back are only the flawed and damaged. I am a master of broken monsters… I cannot control them or their sons, and they know it… They all know that this war is no longer something that can be guided, only ridden out. But they never understood me, not truly, and they understand less with each passing second. They doubt. They think that I have lost my way. I can see it in their hearts — the pettiness, the pride, the seeds of ruin driving them on, feeding the tempest. With such creatures must I remake the future!”

From Warmaster

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:42:23 No.54643170 Report

Quoted By: >>54643189

>>54643141
>Marine doesn't have fucked up proportions
>Must be Primaris

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:42:47 No.54643180 Report

Quoted By: >>54643228

>>54643140
Now go to the first page of new releases and go from there

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:42:49 No.54643182 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643088
True, I mostly have to play against TS/tzeentch Daemon Armies, 'Nids (units too big for every model to be in cover) and Tank-Guard so I havent really felt the whole Cover thing yet

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:43:29 No.54643189 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643170
Read it.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:43:37 No.54643191 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643140

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:43:46 No.54643194 Report

Quoted By: >>54643276

>>54641933
What did you expect, brother? We're always the disposable bad guys that get killed when GWs doesn't want the Black Legion to look even more inept. Who do we even have for characters? Shon'tu got set up as a huge BBEG only to get iced by some no name terminator. It's the Cult Legions that bring in the big bucks. People want bird wizards, sex machines, insane gladiators, and cancer marines. People think our battle cry is "The flesh is weak" half the time.

Bitter guys without any of the cool flashy bits of Chaos probably aren't a big seller.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:44:01 No.54643200 Report

Quoted By: >>54643263

>>54643011

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:44:15 No.54643206 Report

Quoted By: >>54643227 >>54643255

Who's this guy again?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:44:43 No.54643217 Report

Quoted By: >>54643242 >>54643254 >>54643294

>>54643140
>All that dry skin
christ man, go moisturize, the hell is wrong with you.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:44:45 No.54643218 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643162
I like how Horus, even in the darkest depths of the heresy, still wished he had Sanguinius along side him.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:44:49 No.54643220 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643059
I still believe they're going to retcon that.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:45:05 No.54643227 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643206
It's Pikachu.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:45:20 No.54643228 Report

Quoted By: >>54643275

>>54643180

STOP ASKING FOR RELEASES YOU TWAT WE'VE HAD THEM FOR DAYS

*Cough*

Scans guy, if you could post the Redemptor design article that would be fantastic, I'd love to see exactly what their thought process was for fucking up so catastrophically.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:45:49 No.54643235 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643102
Because idiots wouldn't stop with the Chadmarine memes.

NOW WHO'S SMALL, TALLFAGS!

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:46:10 No.54643242 Report

Quoted By: >>54643284

>>54643217
>Go Moisturize

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:46:13 No.54643243 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643140
Can you post the picture of the grey knights showing off the entire brotherhood or something. Someone said there was a chaplain in the bottom right of the picture. Cheers

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:46:16 No.54643245 Report

Quoted By: >>54643315

>>54642899
I think because being entirely devoted to a single God doesn't necessarily make you fit the mould of what the cult units in the codex are.

Being a huge, favoured, devout Nurgle devotee doesn't make you a Plague Marine, for example. I recall reading somewhere that becoming a Plague Marine is a secret mainly kept within the Black Legion and the Death Guard.

Same with Khorne, you can be devout and axe crazy, but being a Berzerker requires specific surgeries etc.

That's how I see it, really. They have marines devoted to each God (Why they could take marks of Chaos) but don't take those final steps to cross in to true Cult marine status.

In the Word Bearers novels, Dark Disciple and Dark Creed, there's a marine who's very clearly on the path of Khorne, and his Apostle is totally cool with it as long as he doesn't go full Khorne and lose sight of the big picture.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:46:33 No.54643254 Report

Quoted By: >>54643318 >>54643328 >>54643345 >>54644705

>>54643217
I CAME ON HERE TO POST THE NEW WHITE DWARF FOR YOU GUYS NOT GET FUCKING BULLIED

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:46:33 No.54643255 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643206

A man with such balls of steel that he was confronted by the Warmaster, powered by the Chaos pantheon, and shrugged, lit a cigar and didn't take a backwards step. He is the Saint Pius of our time.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:46:33 No.54643256 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643140
>taking photos with a phone then uploading it to your computer
>this is real

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:46:41 No.54643260 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643102
I don't even...

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:46:42 No.54643261 Report

Quoted By: >>54643271

so can mixed armies (not detatchments) use chapter tactics?

like if I have a knight with my iron hands, can the space marines still use their tactics?

I know stratagems are army locked, but are tactics and warlord traits?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:46:53 No.54643263 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643200
Beautiful.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:46:55 No.54643265 Report

Quoted By: >>54643293 >>54643296

>>54643147
There will be no necromunda rules or units. There will be a necromunda VIDEO GAME that will be released next month.

http://necromunda-underhivewars.com/

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:47:15 No.54643271 Report

Quoted By: >>54643311

>>54643261
No.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:47:36 No.54643275 Report

Quoted By: >>54643440

>>54643228
NO YOU FUCKING SHITLORD WE HAVE SEEN SOME PRIMARIS BUT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER STUFF YOU COLOSSAL FAGGOT

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:47:38 No.54643276 Report

Quoted By: >>54643303 >>54645855

>>54643194

>playing Iron Hands

Roll for Perception

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:47:52 No.54643280 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643140
Clip your fing-, fuck. Wash your disgus-, no. Nice sheets.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:47:57 No.54643284 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643242
>Not looking after your skin
>Not looking after your body in general
>having dick cheese on your hands
What are you, gay, is that why you have so much dick on your hands?

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:48:00 No.54643285 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643150
To be fair, the White Scars remain the only legion to leave the Alpha Legion standing with open mouths going "I did not see that coming..."

Morty was an idiot though. The Scars stopped running and stayed next to a single planet and his only thought was 'Finally I can crush them' not 'Why have they stopped?'.

The Scars. Stopped moving.

That should really raise alarms in anyone's head as to what is going on.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:48:35 No.54643293 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643265
As long it is about the same quality or better than the Mordheim one I'm ok

If I can't play Arbites it will be trash automatically.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:48:47 No.54643294 Report

Quoted By: >>54643328

>>54643217
are you a woman
how do you notice stuff like that

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:48:53 No.54643296 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643265

Huh, mite b cool but recent 40k games haven't left me with a lot of faith. That could have a lot of potential though.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:49:08 No.54643301 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643022
That's a shame then. I really love the WB colour scheme. Guess I'll just either go DE or start AOS instead

Trap Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:49:27 No.54643303 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643276
I see what you did there

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:50:18 No.54643311 Report

Quoted By: >>54643329

>>54643271
no they can't use them or no they aren't locked?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:50:21 No.54643313 Report

Quoted By:

>>54642724
Warmahordes invented a game term called Skornergy. It's where the game designers try to bludgeon you over the head with "this is synergy, hurr" where X unit gives bonus to Y unit, but the combos actually don't work in-game due to actual game mechanics.

As an example: Unit A gets speed bonus from being near unit B, and unit B gets bonus actions as friendly living units die. However, A is not living so B gets nothing, while both are slow melee-only units, so chasing the buff-combos ironically is a noob trap.

Certain formations in 7th had the same problem. The Demolition Claw in partocular was hilariously better if you ran the Rockgrinders empty, and gave the Acolytes their own transports.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:50:29 No.54643315 Report

Quoted By: >>54643386

>>54643245
I can see your point. I must admit I haven't read DA in a while, but I thought the Khone aligned marines were seen as 'distasteful' but useful. I don't think you're ever going to become a Dark Apostle by devoting yourself to one god and hoping for the best, great scene where Marduk unleashes daemonettes aside.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:50:44 No.54643318 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643254
>coming to 4chan
>dont want to be bullied
welp theres your problem

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:50:57 No.54643321 Report

Quoted By: >>54643334 >>54643349

>>54643000
Please post the Word Bearers trait. I need to see it confirmed so I can weep.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:51:06 No.54643326 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643147
>being able to run all arbites army and being able to do "GAZE INTO THE FIST OF DREDD" against a night lords chaos lord
Do want, do want.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:51:15 No.54643328 Report

Quoted By: >>54643359 >>54643406

>>54643294
I just look after myself so i dont have dry and cracked hands, like someone who never has to shake hands with another human being

>>54643254
Then go get some E45 man, its ez pz

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:51:15 No.54643329 Report

Quoted By: >>54643367

>>54643311
Yes.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:52:22 No.54643334 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643321
You can't read it. You need a magnifying glass in real life and even then it's hard.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:52:23 No.54643335 Report

Quoted By:

Same guy from last thread who was asking questions about making a bike riding Chapter from last thread.

So I've taken the idea I had for one Chapter and split the fluff into two that would make them more coherent and less sporadic. The first is the bikers which I'm sticking a pin in for now just because I'm not looking to put that big of a hole in my wallet.

My other idea kind of focuses more on my idea for humanitarian marines. From a game play perspective, I want these guys to be the guys you send in when you need an objective held, if they're defending they are a boulder and everyone else is the poor motherfucker trying to move them. If they're attacking, I want them to get to where they need to be, drop them, and then watch as the enemy scrambles to upheave them. I guess Anti-siege would be the best way to describe it.

Obviously mechanically it won't work so perfectly, but I'm wondering what should I expect to work well for something like that. I'm imagining Dreadnoughts and other tougher units, with a lot of anti-infantry and vehicle destroyers, so maybe Thunder-fire Canons, Whirlwinds, Devastators and things like that. Would something like this be feasible on the table-top either from a tactics of a points perspective? I'm not looking for the best, just something that won't get shit slapped consistently.

As far as fluff goes I see them as either a standing force in a region of space where they basically drew their line in the proverbial sand and told anything that dared to cross it 'good fucking luck', or they go from place to place where threats like the Orks or the Tyrannids are threatening Imperial worlds and act as the dam to protect everyone behind them. I'm on the fence on where they come from, I like the idea of a Loyalist Successor to a Traitor Legion trying to repent, but I'm worried it seems too snowflakey.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:52:38 No.54643339 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643162

Traitors btfo
Everyone wants the Sangy or Lion

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:52:41 No.54643340 Report

Quoted By: >>54643356 >>54643400 >>54643568

I know discussion about a 40k movie has probably been done to death by now, but if there was one, assuming you want to pull interest to 40 from a general audience, do you think it should just be actiony, Space Marines doing Space Marine stuff with the basic trappings of a plot or a more down to Earth, kind of Saving Private Ryan style Imperial Guard focus? Or maybe a drama-thriller involving the inquisition?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:53:14 No.54643345 Report

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>>54643254
COME ON YOU FAGGIT POST WITH YOUR PHONE RATHER THAN UPLOADIBG IT BY THE USB CABLE THATS LARGER THAN YOUR DICK

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:53:27 No.54643349 Report

Quoted By: >>54643363

>>54643321
There is no traits and such shown on the White Dwarf. There's no new releases either, unless you fucking want info on the new codexes, in which there is nothing you haven't already seen. I'm just trying to post the most interesting stuff in this white dwarf but people aren't satisfied enough

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:53:44 No.54643356 Report

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>>54643340
interest to 40k*

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:53:53 No.54643359 Report

Quoted By: >>54643369 >>54643451

>>54643328
Look at you with your soft woman hands.

Who gives a fuck if someone has dry hands?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:54:16 No.54643363 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643349
PROOFS

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:54:27 No.54643364 Report

Quoted By: >>54643371 >>54643388 >>54643401

>>54642948
Because perhaps i work in the industry and are given the numbers. stop acting like a child and name calling.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:54:30 No.54643367 Report

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>>54643329
I hate you so fucking much

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:54:53 No.54643369 Report

Quoted By: >>54643392 >>54643409

>>54643359
t. basement dwelling NEET who sees only his mum

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:55:03 No.54643371 Report

Quoted By: >>54643413

>>54643364
Give proofs or fuck off.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:55:44 No.54643386 Report

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>>54643315
I imagine a lot of Apostles become aligned, but just never make it far. I see Apostles firmly undivided, honouring whichever God behoves them during each situation and thereby serving as an example to the more single God inclined marines of his Host that just as he courts the Four, pays them their due respect and leads them to victory, so to does the host as a whole.

The Apostle is one man serving the four, but the individual marines of the host serve one, but together they serve them all. There's something respectful in that, being Undivided is difficult, especially when you have to go from God to God, kind of allowing your Marines to follow their own inclinations.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:55:48 No.54643388 Report

Quoted By: >>54643413

>>54643364
>my uncle works for Nintendo that's why you never see him

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:55:59 No.54643392 Report

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>>54643369

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:56:32 No.54643400 Report

Quoted By: >>54643512

>>54643340
Just use Salvation's Reach as the plot. Got your muhreens killing everything, guard dying + heroism, politics and gothic grandeur.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:56:33 No.54643401 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643364
>my uncle works at nintendo and he says your wrong
Fuck off fag

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:56:47 No.54643406 Report

Quoted By: >>54643438 >>54643456 >>54643485

>>54643328

>t. silky handed cubicle dweller who never had a real day of work

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:56:56 No.54643409 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643369
GIIIIIRLYMAAAAN

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:57:15 No.54643413 Report

Quoted By: >>54643464

>>54643371
>>54643388
Not that guy.
But you guys are faggots lol

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:58:52 No.54643438 Report

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>>54643406
What are you still doing here? The pyramids didn't build themselves.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:58:53 No.54643440 Report

Quoted By: >>54643482

>>54643275

WE KNOW ALL THE OTHER SHIT TOO DIPSHIT ITS NOT OUR FAULT YOU DON'T SUPLEMENT /40KG/ WITH A DECENT NEWS TRACKER

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 17:59:40 No.54643451 Report

Quoted By: >>54643520

>>54643359
Women, you calloused troglodyte. Try doing anything to them with that chitinous probe you call a finger and see how hard she has to lie to you that it's pleasurable.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:00:02 No.54643456 Report

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>>54643406
more like
>t. bioscience researcher who has done plenty of conservation volunteering in his life
i just like not being a smelly neet

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:00:17 No.54643460 Report

Quoted By: >>54643488 >>54643515 >>54643524

>>54642765
>tip of the hat my good sir
Fuck off you stupid nigger if you think 40k is better, back in 3.5/4th yes but now? GW got rid of all rules without models BUT I AM LE SUPREME HOBBYIST AND AND AND all pointless now, use the correct GW model or the dumb faggots here will chew you out. Also the models are vastly better than the overdesigned and still generic shit GW has been shitting out lately

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:00:49 No.54643464 Report

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>>54643413
I scanned the September and October whitedwarf so shut your whore mouth, this guy is just an attention seeker and isn't boosting the community but dragging it down

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:01:52 No.54643482 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643440
YOU CANNOT PROVE A NEGATIVE ASSWIPE

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:02:09 No.54643485 Report

Quoted By: >>54643535

>>54643406
>I-its not real work if you arent picking up heavy shit then setting it back down somewhere else

Your entire industry is going to be replaced by robots one day you Cro-Magnon. Granted, mine will be too, but yours is going first.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:02:12 No.54643488 Report

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>>54643460
>being this buttmad because somebody called your shitty star wars game bad
Top kek, starfags are so sensitive

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:02:15 No.54643490 Report

Quoted By: >>54643515 >>54643589

>>54643065
>>54643000
This is probably the Necromunda bideo game that's being worked on

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:03:07 No.54643509 Report

Quoted By: >>54643550

>>54642948
Stupid nigger your numbers prove you wrong, they only do 3% more sales in house. Not a big difference.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:03:10 No.54643512 Report

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>>54643400
Next book in Ghosts series when

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:03:16 No.54643515 Report

Quoted By: >>54643589

>>54643460
>implying this isn't the rebirth of GW
Wew
>>54643490
Which should tie in with a necromunda game for Christmas

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:03:42 No.54643519 Report

Quoted By: >>54643551 >>54643578 >>54643725 >>54643769

>TFW you don't play any of the 32 flavors of Space Marines or Chaos Space Marines and you know your codex isn't coming out until they all get their books.

Anyone else get a little peeved when they saw the initial release schedule was ALL marines?

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:03:47 No.54643520 Report

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>>54643451
>YFW

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:04:00 No.54643524 Report

Quoted By: >>54643644

>>54643460
>use the correct GW model or the dumb faggots here will chew you out.
Nigger what? We get custom models and conversions all the time, like the IW warpsmith that was posted just yesterday.
>Also the models are vastly better than the overdesigned and still generic shit GW has been shitting out lately
>mfw

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:04:50 No.54643535 Report

Quoted By: >>54643558 >>54643570 >>54643596

>>54643485
Actually it is easier to replace office jobs than lifting shit up jobs.
Desktop jobs are almost entirely done with a computer.

Who gets the robot master race axe before? Only time will tell, but office jobs are the ones most likely to get the axe first.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:05:40 No.54643550 Report

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>>54643509
>guy claims inde retailers make up most of sales
>post undeniable proof that that's wrong
>hurr durr no you're retarded, that proves YOU wrong!
Are you ok anon?

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:05:42 No.54643551 Report

Quoted By: >>54643561

>>54643519
>npcfags this mad
You couldn't even protect yourself from a splinterfleet so shut up

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:05:58 No.54643553 Report

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>>54642693
dayum dat dude with the audio rig in his belly

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:06:20 No.54643558 Report

Quoted By: >>54643571 >>54643596

>>54643535
>Who gets the robot master race axe before

So far it looks like driving jobs.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:06:36 No.54643561 Report

Quoted By: >>54643591

>>54643551
We all know Chaos re the real NPCs.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:06:43 No.54643563 Report

Quoted By:

>>54641993
>>54642773
her name is striderscribe and this is her Tharja cosplay

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:07:06 No.54643568 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643340
Make Eisenhorn a movie

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:07:08 No.54643570 Report

Quoted By: >>54643631

>>54643535
>easier to replace office jobs
No they aren't because the parameters are constantly changing, which robotics recquire guess what EXTRA CODING to do, and who makes that coding course

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:07:15 No.54643571 Report

Quoted By: >>54643762

>>54643558
Honestly I'd prefer if it were, it would probably stop a lot of deaths, especially with the big rigs.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:07:33 No.54643578 Report

Quoted By:

>>54643519
Be thankful you weren't first.

All the kits were hoarded for Chadmarines and Death Guard.

If you're released later you have a better chance of getting new stuff.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:07:47 No.54643584 Report

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>>54642795
Alpha Legion Primaris Marines is the /tg/ special. Very very cringy, but if you like it go for it.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:07:47 No.54643585 Report

Quoted By: >>54643618

>>54642750
this pic gave me ideas

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Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:07:48 No.54643586 Report

Quoted By: >>54643910 >>54643942

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:08:18 No.54643589 Report

Quoted By: >>54643617

>>54643490

>>54643515
Necrumunda plastics can double as IG troops. I like.

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:08:24 No.54643591 Report

Quoted By: >>54643609

>>54643561
>saves blood angels and all successor chapters from exterminators
PST nothing personal

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:08:30 No.54643593 Report

Quoted By: >>54643643

Alright lads so I had a hard look at the legion tactics and it is true to what the others have posted. Yes, Word Bearers only get to re-roll morale tests

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:08:34 No.54643596 Report

Quoted By: >>54643615

>>54643535
>>54643558
Retail is the first to go

Anonymous Tue 01 Aug 2017 18:09:38 No.54643609 Report

Quoted By: >>54643617

>>54643591
And yet needs Xenos to have any chance t winning the campaign.

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