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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 17:29:09 2021 No.76834939 View View Reply Original Report

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>>76830240

>TQ
New points updates have just been dropped, how fucked are you?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:31:06 No.76834978 Report

Quoted By: >>76834991

any relevant changes for CSM's?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:31:11 No.76834980 Report

Quoted By: >>76835150

>>76834939
TQ
Nothing for Tsons
So still dumpster

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:31:43 No.76834989 Report

Quoted By: >>76835264 >>76835362 >>76835526 >>76835756

Had a thought for a conversion army: A dark mechanicus army using Nid models and bits, painted in metallics. Y/N?

pic unrelated, just my first model of 2020

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:31:48 No.76834991 Report

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>>76834978
Nope. Wait a year for the codex.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:32:54 No.76835011 Report

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>>76834939
Mildly irked that Outriders have been bumped up a bit. They were appropriately costed before, but it's not a big deal. Still gotta go fast.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:34:16 No.76835042 Report

Quoted By: >>76835076 >>76835087 >>76835094 >>76835115 >>76835177 >>76835192 >>76836830 >>76836849

how the fuck are you supposed to stay up to date with this game with all these fucking updates. new rulebooks, new codex, chapter approved, faqs, online faqs, codex errata. ENOUGH

theyre plastic fucking models that cost a fortune and take forever to field while not looking like shit and unless you are enough of a fag to magnetize, the shit is permanent how the fuck do you expect aaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

NO STOP ENOUGH IVE FUCKING HAD IT AND NOW YOU ONLY SELL TERMINATORS AND HAVOKS WITH LITERALLY 1 GOOD WEAPON IN THE BOX DO YOU WANT ME TO BUY 5 FUCKING BOXES IS THAT IT GW? NO FUCK YOU FUCK THE UK FUCK YOUR QUEEN GOD DAMNIT NATION OF REDCOAT KNITWITS FUCK YOU IVE HAD ENOUGH

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:34:27 No.76835048 Report

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>>76834939
Not fucked
I will buy some Bullgryns

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:34:41 No.76835055 Report

Quoted By: >>76835301

Have they fixed the reanimator yet?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:34:43 No.76835056 Report

Quoted By: >>76835164

>>76835011
they gave them 5ppm that should have gone to erradicators desu

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:34:53 No.76835060 Report

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>>76834939 Cogboys still meh, could have done with a reduction on the Kastelans

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:35:20 No.76835066 Report

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>>76835011
>They were appropriately costed before
Uh huh

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:35:35 No.76835070 Report

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Thoughts on the following:

Rolling off for first turn - winner GOES FIRST, no more choosing

While we Stand We Fight - changed from most expensive models to most expensive units in your army

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:35:40 No.76835075 Report

Quoted By: >>76837618

>>76834939
>TQ

Rather annoyed as a guard player. Will have to make cuts from the army and hope the codex is good, whenever that drops. Same old, same old.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:35:43 No.76835076 Report

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>>76835042
oh grow up

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:36:21 No.76835087 Report

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>>76835042
The last points update was six months ago.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:36:43 No.76835094 Report

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>>76835042
>how the fuck are you supposed to stay up to date
battlescribe's existed for how long now

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:37:30 No.76835108 Report

Quoted By: >>76835165 >>76835214

>>76835094
speaking of that, how long does it usually take for points updates to get in there?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:37:41 No.76835114 Report

Quoted By: >>76835132 >>76835169 >>76835218

I wasnt here yesterday. Are we thinking this is an Ork jetpack?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:37:41 No.76835115 Report

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>>76835042
By not being retarded. You're not retarded are you anon?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:38:48 No.76835132 Report

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>>76835114
could be a tankbusta rocket hammer

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:39:35 No.76835150 Report

Quoted By: >>76835418 >>76835449 >>76835635

>>76834980
>He doesn't know

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:40:16 No.76835164 Report

Quoted By: >>76835190 >>76835974

>>76835056
Like the 5ppm which Eradicators did get?
Or are you arguing they should have been 50ppm?
Because that's crazy talk.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:40:32 No.76835165 Report

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>>76835108
Point changes are usually pretty quick, on account of being just a number replacement.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:40:39 No.76835169 Report

Quoted By: >>76835761

>>76835114
It certainly looks like it.

It's probably a character. Just to ruin everyones fun.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:41:08 No.76835177 Report

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>>76835042

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:41:27 No.76835182 Report

Quoted By: >>76835270

so if a building had a very specific distance between floors, you could deploy 9'' above the enemy models. roll a 4 to charge into melee 5'' above enemy models?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:41:33 No.76835184 Report

Quoted By: >>76835413

>>76834939

I like how bullgryns got a decent points cut, as well as tyranid warriors. Too bad flash gitz didn't.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:41:53 No.76835190 Report

Quoted By: >>76835215

>>76835164
Just take off Total Obliteration. At least Berserkers and other units have to work for their double tap.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:42:12 No.76835192 Report

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>>76835042
>unless you are enough of a fag to magnetize
filtered kiddo

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:42:59 No.76835211 Report

Quoted By: >>76835297

>>76835177
They released the entire points for free today. If you're too last to check a pdf that's on you.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:43:18 No.76835214 Report

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>>76835108
at max like 2 weeks depending on the size of the update (how much text for abilities needs changing, or how much reprogramming they need to do when a new codex drops)

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:43:22 No.76835215 Report

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>>76835190
40/45 pts for 1 melta shot, nah son. Just stop deploying like a retard, eradicators are slow as fuck.
>berserkers
>work for their double tap
Pick one

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:43:26 No.76835218 Report

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>>76835114
the rear exhaust of grot tanks ( jks its never be this cool)

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:43:30 No.76835220 Report

Quoted By: >>76835251 >>76835268 >>76835274 >>76835870

Someone messed up lol

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:43:47 No.76835224 Report

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>pay more to play now btw :^)

AAAAAAAA!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:45:09 No.76835251 Report

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>>76835220
>Hellions 17 ppm
>Reavers 10 ppm
This doesn't scan at all.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:45:32 No.76835264 Report

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>>76834989
man necrons are piss easy to paint look at this, I could paint 30 of these in an hour

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:46:02 No.76835268 Report

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>>76835220
they are going down to 1W. Where do you think CSM got their second wound from?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:46:04 No.76835270 Report

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>>76835182
Yes.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:46:08 No.76835274 Report

Quoted By: >>76835278

>>76835220
what am I looking at? GW accidentally showing point values for the upcoming DE codex?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:46:34 No.76835278 Report

Quoted By: >>76835313

>>76835274
the new points updates. I think they mixed hellions with reavers.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:47:24 No.76835297 Report

Quoted By: >>76835358 >>76835554

>>76835211
imagine how cucked you have to be to think a company releasing a rules update to play with their toys was a generous move because it was "for free."

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:47:39 No.76835301 Report

Quoted By: >>76835331 >>76835381

>>76835055
80 points rather than 110, still not worth taking

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:48:14 No.76835313 Report

Quoted By: >>76835320 >>76835333 >>76835385

>>76835278
oh god no pls have hellions at 17pts but with 2 wounds

i dont want to paint more of them

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:48:21 No.76835315 Report

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>>76834991
Grim lad

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:48:53 No.76835320 Report

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>>76835313
1 wound, 5ppm!

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:49:36 No.76835331 Report

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>>76835301
you dont think it will reanimate 80 points of warriors in a match?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:49:39 No.76835333 Report

Quoted By: >>76835523

>>76835313
I mean, do you think there's any logic to hellions being costlier than reavers?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:49:49 No.76835336 Report

Quoted By: >>76835434 >>76836848

So is the death guard points for the codex not out, the 8th ed codex or a strange mixture of both?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:50:37 No.76835347 Report

Quoted By: >>76835414

>>76835331
no, I don't

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:50:40 No.76835349 Report

Quoted By: >>76835414

>>76835331
Absolutely not

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:51:11 No.76835358 Report

Quoted By: >>76835506

>>76835297
>For Profit Company releases stuff for free
>people like this

>some random fa/tg/uy
>"hahahaha youre all cucked, imagine liking getting something for free, what a bunch of cucks ahahahha"

Genuinely imagine being this retarded

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:51:21 No.76835362 Report

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>>76834989
Do it.
I might spent the money for an indomitus necron half and just use them as bits.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:51:24 No.76835363 Report

Quoted By: >>76835457

I ordered about $75 worth of FW stuff from a random shop off aliexpress in late December. I checked today and the shop is gone, presumably GW's ninjas got to them. Should I still expect it to get shipped or nah?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:51:53 No.76835378 Report

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>>76835060
>Cogboys still meh
They're fucking great right now what are you on about? Even Kataphron Breachers didn't get nerfed.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:52:10 No.76835381 Report

Quoted By: >>76835417

>>76835301
the fact that it costs an elite slot is the worst part about it, honestly should just be an upgrade to a warrior squad

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:52:31 No.76835385 Report

Quoted By: >>76835456

>>76835313
The Drukhari points are all kinds of fucked up.
Wracks are only 8ppm now? Which is somehow the same as Kabalites?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:54:13 No.76835413 Report

Quoted By: >>76835880

>>76835184
Don't worry. The Ork Codex is totally going to fix Ork Shooting. It won't just be gambling but slightly less expensive.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:54:16 No.76835414 Report

Quoted By: >>76835453 >>76835489 >>76835498 >>76835519

>>76835347
>>76835349
thats only 6 warriors now, hes worth it more than another squad of 10

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:54:30 No.76835416 Report

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Adeptus Sororitas changes:

(Nerf) Repentia +1 pt to 16pt/model
(Nerf) Retributors +2 pts to 14pt/model
(Nerf) Sororitas Rhino +2 pts to 80pts/model (including storm bolter)

(Buff) Zephyrim -2pts to 18pts/model (including power sword)

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:54:31 No.76835417 Report

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>>76835381
Its fragility is the main issue if it had another 3 wounds or 5++ it would make it somewhat ok. As i stands it will die to a harsh stare and then its buff is gone. Maybe if its buff lasted after it died it would be ok

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:54:36 No.76835418 Report

Quoted By: >>76835521

>>76835150
Psychic dread?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:55:48 No.76835434 Report

Quoted By: >>76835459

>>76835336
Some of the points got released/leaked such as changes to Plague Marines, Mortarion and a few other units. The new codex was meant to come out last month but the coof delayed it.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:56:08 No.76835439 Report

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>tfw chimeras are cheaper

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:56:17 No.76835442 Report

Quoted By: >>76835957

>Love the new Necron walkers
>Reanimator is just dogshit all round, hoped they would fix it with this but they didn't
>Doomstalker is D6 shots D6 damage, an utterly ridiculous profile that nobody wants

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:56:28 No.76835449 Report

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>>76835150

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:56:37 No.76835453 Report

Quoted By: >>76835550

>>76835414
No hes not cause hes very easy to just kill, then you dont have to worry about him reviving anything

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:56:38 No.76835456 Report

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>>76835385
Maybe they have lots of Wrack boxes they want to sell?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:56:41 No.76835457 Report

Quoted By: >>76835588

>>76835363
Yeah, it'll get shipped. Happens to me all the time. As long as you still have the order confirmation on your account you're fine.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:56:52 No.76835459 Report

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>>76835434
I meant in todays faq drop.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:58:34 No.76835489 Report

Quoted By: >>76835519 >>76835550

>>76835414
The reanimator is basically worth 2.5 points per reanimation roll. So you only need to boost the roll on 32 reanimation rolls to make your points back!
tl dr: still not worth it

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:59:10 No.76835498 Report

Quoted By: >>76835550

>>76835414
You'd have to boost the rolls of 32 Warriors for it to break even, and its an easy target. Not worth the points

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:59:14 No.76835501 Report

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 17:59:35 No.76835506 Report

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>>76835358
okay cuck, enjoy your table scraps from master

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:00:21 No.76835519 Report

Quoted By: >>76835548 >>76835580

>>76835489
>>76835414
Realistically about 60 points is where it becomes worth taking

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:00:30 No.76835521 Report

Quoted By: >>76835593 >>76835635

>>76835418
Abhor the Witch was nerfed.
It's only 3VP for a character instead of 5 now.
And only 2VP for a whole unit instead of 3.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:00:33 No.76835523 Report

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>>76835333
That would be weird. But if Hellions are only 10pts I would have to paint more of them.

I don't want to.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:00:37 No.76835526 Report

Quoted By: >>76835630

>>76834989
Could work, there's a section in the fluffy army tree in the AdMEch book about Magos Biologis or something similar, so they definitely dabble with biological engineering. Darkmech would probably use xenos technology.
The only issue I see is making it look good. e.g. a skitarius with a termagant gun might look wonky, but you could probably do something with a Genestealer and a Ruststalker/Infiltrator

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:02:02 No.76835548 Report

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>>76835519
Potentially, I would still want it to have an 5++ so it doesn't die like a little bitch.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:02:13 No.76835550 Report

Quoted By: >>76835603 >>76835605

>>76835453
>>76835489
>>76835498
as a skeleton fag who wanted to romance the dead, i always wanted him to work. but how low must he go to break even? i mean would gw even allow him to be some 40pt model? or maybe give him better survivability...

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:02:18 No.76835554 Report

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>>76835297
I'm not saying it was generous, but you're implying it was nefarious. It's just appropriate.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:03:23 No.76835580 Report

Quoted By: >>76835624

>>76835519
Realistically if it becomes 60pts and a competitive choice, its getting shot off the board immediately

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:03:47 No.76835588 Report

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>>76835457
Yeah the confirmation is still there. Cool.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:04:01 No.76835593 Report

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>>76835521
bro...

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:04:25 No.76835603 Report

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>>76835550
Quantum Shielding at the current points in my opinion

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:04:37 No.76835605 Report

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>>76835550
I think the best route would be to whack a couple more wounds and a 5++ and keep him at 80ish

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:05:52 No.76835624 Report

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>>76835580
Yeah but at least it will be cheap enough that the fire it diverted was worthwhile. As it stands that happens anyeay and it is a total waste

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:06:05 No.76835630 Report

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>>76835526
I also have a GSC army, and acolytes come with a shitton of more natural looking niddy bits to fit on human models.

I was also planning to paint them with metallics, to look more like mechanical bits.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:06:18 No.76835635 Report

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>>76835150
>>76835521
They're still bad. Just now slightly less bad.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:06:42 No.76835642 Report

Quoted By: >>76835678 >>76835717 >>76835721 >>76835795

STOP STOP THEY'RE ALREADY DEAD

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:08:20 No.76835666 Report

Quoted By: >>76835695 >>76835716 >>76835722 >>76835747 >>76835776 >>76835858

i wanted a force that would represent a small squadron dispatched to clear apartment buildings in hive cities of degenerate filth and that box is perfect. the tank and heavy weapon heavy bolter wait outside and keep the street clear while the troopers raid the building with lasguns and flamers before the commissar SS officer comes through for inspection, keeping an eye out for any leftist propaganda or various contraband. After securing prisoners if needed, they move on to the next building

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:08:56 No.76835678 Report

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>>76835642
Tau need help. But honestly fuck savior protocols and fuck drones.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:09:45 No.76835695 Report

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>>76835666
Ok
Nice digits at least

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:11:03 No.76835716 Report

Quoted By: >>76835751 >>76836027

>>76835666

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:11:04 No.76835717 Report

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>>76835642
Not until they cost the same as Tyrant Guard

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:11:11 No.76835721 Report

Quoted By: >>76835763 >>76835834 >>76836871 >>76836907

>>76835642
you honestly deserve it, i have no sympathy. you fags and your drones caused the biggest customer exodus the industry ever saw and directly lead to the primaris problem of today

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:11:12 No.76835722 Report

Quoted By: >>76835775 >>76835896

>>76835666
>Tank crawling in Urban streets
Not for long

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:12:25 No.76835747 Report

Quoted By: >>76835807

>>76835666
>he doesn't know

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:12:35 No.76835751 Report

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>>76835716
based and my new chaos cultists pilled

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:12:49 No.76835756 Report

Quoted By: >>76835839

>>76834989
How'd you get the trim to come out that well? Drybrush?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:13:10 No.76835761 Report

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>>76835169
I'll take a jumppack character any day considering current stormboyz are great and modern and don't need an update to begin with
Just hopping he is not faction locked

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:13:23 No.76835763 Report

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>>76835721
Show me on the doll where the drone touched you

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:13:43 No.76835775 Report

Quoted By: >>76835802

>>76835722
idk, hb front sponson, heavy flamer sides, and a hb squad watching the rear?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:13:44 No.76835776 Report

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>>76835666

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:14:26 No.76835795 Report

Quoted By: >>76836307

>>76835642
Drones shouldn't be a separate spammable unit. I'm ok with 2 for a unit, but the days of wrapping 20 on a riptide were fucking awful.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:15:00 No.76835802 Report

Quoted By: >>76835854

>>76835775
What happens when a street is too small

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:15:05 No.76835807 Report

Quoted By: >>76835866

>>76835747
who is dat? know what?? plz tell me...

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:15:29 No.76835818 Report

Quoted By: >>76835837 >>76835840 >>76835842 >>76835887 >>76835949 >>76836074 >>76837414

How much did GW nerf GSC and Nids now?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:16:19 No.76835833 Report

Quoted By: >>76835922

>immolators and exorcists significantly upped in points
For what purpose?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:16:24 No.76835834 Report

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>>76835721
>directly lead to the primaris problem of today
Source: My gapping butthole

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:16:28 No.76835837 Report

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>>76835818
Nids didn't see much change. Very minor nerf

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:16:29 No.76835839 Report

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>>76835756
the white? Just used the side of a brush with a little bit of paint left.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:16:35 No.76835840 Report

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>>76835818
Nids are about the same. Warriors going down to 17pts is pretty good. Cba reading about gsc

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:16:39 No.76835842 Report

Quoted By: >>76835871

>>76835818
I don't know anon, why don't you read the FAQs and tell us?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:17:11 No.76835854 Report

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>>76835802

they call in ordinance

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:17:30 No.76835858 Report

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>>76835666

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:17:50 No.76835866 Report

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>>76835807

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:18:12 No.76835870 Report

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>>76835220
You haven't seen the new Hellions profile with 2W 4+++ and inherent -1 to hit

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:18:16 No.76835871 Report

Quoted By: >>76835928

>>76835842
Not autistic enough

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:18:56 No.76835880 Report

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>>76835413

I'd like to see mek bs bumped to 4+, burnas to d6 and I don't know which way to improve big shootas.

Maybe slight points cuts to lootas, flash gitz and nobs would be nice too.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:19:19 No.76835887 Report

Quoted By: >>76835986

>>76835818
Damn you get direct access to lick her armpits 24/7 with that

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:19:31 No.76835896 Report

Quoted By: >>76835923

>>76835722
Repressor would be better fit, or that GSC vehicle (minus GSC markings)

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:19:53 No.76835903 Report

Quoted By:

5 spear guard is now only 225pts fucking hell

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:19:54 No.76835904 Report

Quoted By: >>76836687

POST MODELS!

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:19:58 No.76835906 Report

Quoted By: >>76835930 >>76835940 >>76835965 >>76836056

I hate Angron's fucking faggot ass backstory of "bluh blugh blugh he was an empath. He was the primarch that actually cared but he had bad people put bad people nails in his head and make him angry. He actually really cared about everyone, he cried alot when he was a slave bluhbluhbluh."

This horrible writing makes him a weak faglord

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:20:35 No.76835922 Report

Quoted By: >>76836176

>>76835833
They literally haven't changed?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:20:35 No.76835923 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835896
Repressor is kill now

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:21:16 No.76835928 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835871
Illiteracy is a serious problem to suffer from, you should take steps to remedy that.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:21:22 No.76835930 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835906
Anon you made the mistake of reading stuff from the black library

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:21:48 No.76835940 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835906

That is a completely unnecessary addition to the fluff.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:22:24 No.76835949 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835818
the only change i can really see is acolyte hand flamers cost 3pts each

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:22:37 No.76835954 Report

Quoted By:

>>76834939
Merry Christmas everyone!
What a great present from GW! A lot of scoring issues were fixed and Custodes ended up net positive in changes!
No idea why they raised Warden costs, but it's a good day none the less!

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:22:43 No.76835957 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835442
I know that feeling bro. The Doomstalker is wildly inconsistent and the Reanimator is consistently dogshit. But both look awesome.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:23:03 No.76835965 Report

Quoted By: >>76835994

>>76835906
I'm sorry you're also unable to cry.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:23:39 No.76835974 Report

Quoted By: >>76835983 >>76835998 >>76835999 >>76836006

>>76835164
>Because that's crazy talk.
An assault multi-melta on a T5 3W model for 50p would be perfectly acceptable

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:24:36 No.76835983 Report

Quoted By: >>76836005

>>76835974
Multi meltas cost extra

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:24:53 No.76835986 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835887
Saying what we're all thinking anon.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:25:41 No.76835994 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835965
You see crying can be cool.

>He is crouched in the shadow of his throne - and such a thing is no small marvel for a being of his warp-gifted size and majesty.
>No. Not crouched.
>Cowering.
>I cannot process what I am seeing. The Nail's ticking is an aneurysmal pulse in my ears, as well as my mind.
>'Father?' he calls again.
>Gone is the bestial growl, the hoarse rumble of a throat no longer capable of screaming itself raw. I would say, rather, that he sounds more like himself again. His old self. His former self. The broken warrior he was, before...before his...
>I do not know the correct term. I do not care to know it. This is beyond me, beyond any of us. We no longer trouble ourselves to wonder.
>His immense, clawed fingers slip from the side of the throne as he pulls further back into the gloom, edging away from me. 'Father.. is it over?'
>He has broken his chains again. I can see them trailing on the floor. No one has ever been able to imprison Angron. Not for long. And yet, he has not tried to leave.
>I steady myself, offering a cautious half-bow. To avert my eyes would be to invite death, I am staring down an unleashed monster.
>'Sire, it is Kharn, of the Eighth Company.'

but the empath shit is some fucking bullshit

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:25:49 No.76835998 Report

Quoted By: >>76836010 >>76836013 >>76836040

>>76835974
They only get the 2 shots if the whole squad fires at the same target.
So its an Assault Multi-Melta with downside.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:25:52 No.76835999 Report

Quoted By: >>76836021

>>76835974
Melta rifles have 1 shot anon...

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:26:19 No.76836005 Report

Quoted By: >>76836025 >>76836061

>>76835983
An erradicator has effectively an assault multi-melta

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:26:26 No.76836006 Report

Quoted By: >>76836067 >>76838332

>>76835974
50 points seems reasonable considering a retribution are 32 with multi-melta
(No idea how much they cost now haven’t check the new points jet)

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:26:36 No.76836010 Report

Quoted By: >>76836061 >>76836072

>>76835998
yeah but firing at the same target is something they want to do 99% of the time.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:26:43 No.76836013 Report

Quoted By: >>76836058 >>76836061

>>76835998
Not a very big downside. Also multi meltas cant split fire anyway

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:27:21 No.76836021 Report

Quoted By: >>76836061

>>76835999
people woulnd't be complaining about 40ppm erradicators if they had one shot dipshit

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:27:46 No.76836025 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836005
Ah i see what you mean now

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:27:54 No.76836027 Report

Quoted By: >>76836052

>>76835716
This is what the scions should have been.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:28:57 No.76836040 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835998
The number of cases were they don't want to fire at the same target are so few and far between as to make it essentially non-existent.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:29:34 No.76836052 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836027
Fuck no

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:29:48 No.76836056 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835906
> Horus Heresy is meant to be an unparalled space opera
> One of the main characters is an angry guy called Angron who leads an army of red berserkers
who writes this shit

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:29:59 No.76836058 Report

Quoted By: >>76836064

>>76836013
Yeah, but the whole squad has to fire at the same target was my point.
They aren't like retributors where you can put 2 MM into one tank and the other 2 into a different target.
If Eradicators split fire at all they lose their shoot twice.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:30:15 No.76836061 Report

Quoted By: >>76836096 >>76836104

>>76836021
They absolutely would.
>>76836005
>>76836010
>>76836013
Compare it to an attack bike with a MM, on which the important stats are better. 55 ppm
Eradicators are just the current bogeyman.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:30:31 No.76836064 Report

Quoted By: >>76836084

>>76836058
Thats not a downside really

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:30:35 No.76836067 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836006
They went up 2ppm.
So 14 before any weapons now.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:30:51 No.76836072 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836010
it makes them bad a shooting at targets low on wounds

imagine finishing a titan wit

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:31:02 No.76836074 Report

Quoted By: >>76836246

>>76835818
Abberants got cheaper. Hammers went down 7ppm, picks and improvised went down 2

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:31:38 No.76836084 Report

Quoted By: >>76836099

>>76836064
Anon...

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:32:46 No.76836096 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836061
oblits are 105pts and fill a similar role.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:32:52 No.76836099 Report

Quoted By: >>76836114 >>76836183

>>76836084
They come in units of 3 its not like splitting fire is gonna be a big issue

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:33:11 No.76836104 Report

Quoted By: >>76836183

>>76836061
I'm by no means saying attack bikes don't need a nerf either. They are pretty good. Just no one uses them cuz they are so old

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:34:00 No.76836113 Report

Quoted By: >>76836478

Post your 2020 painting

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:34:10 No.76836114 Report

Quoted By: >>76836132

>>76836099
Marinetards like to pretend its this balancing drawback

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:35:46 No.76836132 Report

Quoted By: >>76836188

>>76836114
What does that even mean

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:36:15 No.76836141 Report

Quoted By: >>76836177 >>76836203 >>76837663

>nurglings gain 4 points
>guardians lost 2 points
>dire avengers lost 2 points
>wraithknight down 100 points
>skathach knight down 130
>riptide -14
>Y'Vahar -50
>R'Varna n/a
>sunshark -45

my deamons gained 20 points and my eldar lost 56 points, so it's okay. glad the wraithknight lost points, idk if that makes it payable now. there's a lot of tau point drops and i think according to this page drones didn't change

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:38:06 No.76836162 Report

Quoted By:

They really fucked all my stuff.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:39:06 No.76836176 Report

Quoted By: >>76836193 >>76836311

>>76835922
I literally have the old points book in my hand. Exorcists are 150 and immolators are 80.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:39:05 No.76836177 Report

Quoted By: >>76836319

>>76836141
Be very careful about the Tau changes, a lot of those are very inconsistent with factoring attached drones/weapons

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:39:14 No.76836181 Report

Quoted By:

>>76834939
why are stormboyz 12pts

thats a lot of for a boy on a rocket

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:39:25 No.76836183 Report

Quoted By: >>76836192 >>76836201

>>76836099
>in units of 3
3-6
There quite a lot of situations where you want to put 2 MM into one target and 1-2 MM in a second one. So yes, it's definetly a drawback.
>>76836104
It was more to illustrate that eradicators are just a bogeyman because Abikes with MMs were and are straight up superior but no one complains about them because a)every one and their mother as eradicators b) no one runs Abikes because they are ugly as sin. Honestly, 45 ppm for eradicators is probably going to end up being pretty fair overall.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:40:11 No.76836188 Report

Quoted By: >>76836204

>>76836132
That Eradicators are broken efficient and "oh but you can't split fire!" is brought up as if that balances it. It doesn't, it barely matters.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:40:49 No.76836192 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836183
Thats handy cause the one guy with a multi melta can do that on his own

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:40:59 No.76836193 Report

Quoted By: >>76836229

>>76836176
Compare with new weapon costs before you whine more since a lot of the base weapons are now 0.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:41:35 No.76836201 Report

Quoted By: >>76836270

>>76836183
When the hell would you ever want to split fire to fire a single multi melta into a single target

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:41:46 No.76836203 Report

Quoted By: >>76837663

>>76836141
Wraithknight base cost doesn't include its arm weapons. They're still ~400 points depending on loadout.

Also dire avenger power weapons became free for some reason

and fire pikes are still inexplicably +15points for +6" range meltagun

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:41:52 No.76836204 Report

Quoted By: >>76836236

>>76836188
Yeah thats what i was saying...

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:42:16 No.76836208 Report

Quoted By: >>76836240 >>76836254 >>76836257 >>76836587

Does GW even play this game?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:44:18 No.76836229 Report

Quoted By: >>76836487

>>76836193
So they're back to including shit in the base cost now?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:44:43 No.76836236 Report

Quoted By: >>76836249

>>76836204
...and I was agreeing with you...

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:44:53 No.76836240 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836208
Hahaha no. Only morons play this game.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:45:01 No.76836244 Report

Quoted By: >>76836253 >>76836310

So with the way points costs are written now, anything that isn't listed in the unit entry is free, considered baked into their base cost, right?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:45:13 No.76836246 Report

Quoted By: >>76836305 >>76836702

>>76836074
Cool. Still expensive for what they are, but good.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:45:24 No.76836249 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836236
Im stupid, i misread. Sorry mate

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:45:29 No.76836253 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836244
Yes

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:45:31 No.76836254 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836208
>trying to fix first turn issue
>some nice rebalancing of units
Sure, it's not perfect, but outside of fundamentally revamping the game from the bottom up and disregarding all it's sacred cows it never will be.
Fixing go first advantage alone will go a long way for balance in what is already one of the most balanced editions. I can't say if the new changes will actually fix it, but better they try then just ignore it

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:45:50 No.76836257 Report

Quoted By: >>76836265

>>76836208
They sure don't play Tau, considering they made such obvious errors as listing the Ion Blaster able to be taken by the Coldstar this update despite the codex explicitly saying that they can't take that weapon.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:46:29 No.76836265 Report

Quoted By: >>76836276

>>76836257
dont worry

when the codex comes out in two years they will fix that. i have been told this is ok by people in this thread.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:47:00 No.76836268 Report

Quoted By: >>76836278

Where are CSM point changes?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:47:15 No.76836270 Report

Quoted By: >>76836297 >>76836302 >>76836308 >>76836635

>>76836201
Are you retarded? Say that you have a dev squad with 4 MMs podding in. You have two juicy targets within 12 and assorted hit/wound reroll 1s.
Do you
1) shoot one of them with 8 MM shots?
2) shoot both of them with 4 MM shots each?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:47:40 No.76836276 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836265
>when the codex comes out in two years
I wouldn't get your hopes up. No one in their team actually plays Tau, so it'll be another guard player who makes the codex.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:47:46 No.76836278 Report

Quoted By: >>76836290

>>76836268
If you dowmload the errata you can read them

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:47:50 No.76836279 Report

Quoted By: >>76836303 >>76836319 >>76836325

Whats the consensus on WYSIWYG? Making some custom berzerkers and I was going to build them with a pistol and chain axe/sword while running them as dual chain zerkers. my idea is that they're too much of a bad shot to use them regularly so they just use them in melee, to account for the extra attacks

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:48:39 No.76836290 Report

Quoted By: >>76836300 >>76836320 >>76836330

>>76836278
> Updated in October
what?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:49:13 No.76836297 Report

Quoted By: >>76836374

>>76836270
they come in 3 man squads, not 4.

like what am i supposed to do with my gorkanaut? every game they will just drop down 3 guys, fire twice and then my gorkanaut is gone despite costing more than twice as much as they do.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:49:23 No.76836300 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836290
>he doesn't know

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:49:28 No.76836302 Report

Quoted By: >>76836388

>>76836270
Depends what the target is. Also you dont footslog mm devs

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:49:40 No.76836303 Report

Quoted By: >>76836325

>>76836279
Equipment WYSIWYG is not a good thing.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:49:40 No.76836304 Report

Quoted By:

Fuck you GW. I bought primaris so I could have good units, not expensive units.
Hacks.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:49:48 No.76836305 Report

Quoted By: >>76836321

>>76836246
>9 objectives on a map
the fuck?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:49:51 No.76836307 Report

Quoted By: >>76836335 >>76836405

>>76835795
the points for tau wargear is all over the place, with weapons costing different amounts depending on what you're adding them to, so it could be taking drones separately will cost more than taking them with suits, we'll have to wait and see what the app says, however, it is basically unnecessary since tau currently need every lifeline they can get.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:49:56 No.76836308 Report

Quoted By: >>76836388

>>76836270
That doesn't answer what he asked

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:50:08 No.76836310 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836244
Yes, or it can be exchanged for free.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:50:13 No.76836311 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836176
Exorcists were 150
+15 for the mandatory Heavy Bolter
+30 for the Exorcist Missile laucnher.
=195 minimum

And Immolators were 80
+15 for the Heavy Bolter
+30 for either the Twin H Bolter or Immolation Flamer.
=125 minimum

If you were paying 80 points for your Immolators you've been cheating for the entirety of 9E.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:50:28 No.76836319 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836177
no kidding there are a lot of changes, commanders gain 10 points but longstrike lost 20. who the hell uses dire avenger weapons (i did craft a beatstick for an exarch in 7th years ago but tore off for 8th).

>>76836279
how anal is your group? idk if berserks have the mental capacity to be knowing they're using the wrong weapon anyway

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:50:30 No.76836320 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836290
Munitorum field manual anon

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:50:36 No.76836321 Report

Quoted By: >>76836365

>>76836305
Anon...

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:50:53 No.76836325 Report

Quoted By: >>76836336 >>76836340 >>76836341

>>76836303
>>76836279
What's WYSIWYG mean?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:51:19 No.76836330 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836290
Muntitorum Field Manual is where the 9E points costs are.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:51:35 No.76836335 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836307
Thats now standard for wargear anon

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:51:39 No.76836336 Report

Quoted By: >>76836364

>>76836325
Whar you see is what you get. It means your model has exactly what it's equipped with modeled.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:52:12 No.76836340 Report

Quoted By: >>76836364

>>76836325
What You See Is What You Get

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:52:14 No.76836341 Report

Quoted By: >>76836364

>>76836325
what you see is what you get

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:52:47 No.76836354 Report

Quoted By:

>>76834939
>TQ
>Manlet DW
didnt pay attention, did they do anything to manlets? Anyways, im currently 81 pts below 2k, so Im fine either way I guess, still have to think about what to include

Anon Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:53:05 No.76836361 Report

Quoted By: >>76836424 >>76836523

Where would I find codex rips and PDFs?

I need a bootleg book to go with my Russian cast models

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:53:15 No.76836364 Report

Quoted By: >>76836377 >>76836525

>>76836336
>>76836340
>>76836341
Ah okay thanks.
Well that's how I have been playing my guys.
Stillmania?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:53:18 No.76836365 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836321
It was a joke anon. I know that's a snail objective.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:53:45 No.76836374 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836297
Anon...
Devs = devastators =//= eradicators.
And eradicators still come in 3-6 sized squads.
As to why your gorkanaut dies, it's because it's trash, you aren't hiding it nor blocking the strategic reserve deployment spots.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:54:19 No.76836377 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836364
stillmania is from a very old WD article, in which this stillman guy brags how he has exactly one set of models, he never changes his list, and he doesn't use anything that's especially strong.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:55:03 No.76836388 Report

Quoted By: >>76836407 >>76836707 >>76836731

>>76836302
>podding in
>dont footslog mm devs
??
>>76836308
I don't know, for when you know that 4 MM shots are enough for killing something and you don't want to waste 2 more shots? Apply your brain.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:55:58 No.76836405 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836307
Weapons cost different depending on what you put them on for all armies now anon.
A Heavy Bolter mounted on a Chimera isn't worth the same as one carried by infantry.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:56:02 No.76836407 Report

Quoted By: >>76836450

>>76836388
I read plodding, apologies

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:56:56 No.76836419 Report

Quoted By:

with spear stodes only being 45 points each now are saggiatrum dead now?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:57:09 No.76836424 Report

Quoted By: >>76836445

>>76836361
nice try, GW

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:57:17 No.76836427 Report

Quoted By:

Changes for Sisters that I've noticed

Retributors went up 2 PPM, which is fair because they're basically the best source of Imperial heavy weapons
Sisters Repentia went up 1 ppm, which is fair because they're absolutely crazy in melee
Rhinos went up 2ppm, which barely matters and mostly is there to make them a round number

Crusaders went down 4ppm, to 16, where they're probably still overcosted
Zephyrim went down 2 ppm, which is wild because they were already seeing heavy use before

Other than that things seem roughly the same

Anon Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:58:27 No.76836445 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836424
Torrents you degenerate

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 18:58:56 No.76836450 Report

Quoted By: >>76836526

>>76836407
No worries, have a fish on me.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:00:43 No.76836474 Report

Quoted By: >>76836486 >>76836526 >>76836535

Remember the people claiming that the new DG Inexorable ADvance would allow them to disembark from their vehicles after it moved? Guess GW wanted to nip that in the bud before people could actually play it that way.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:01:09 No.76836478 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836113

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:01:35 No.76836486 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836474
Lmao

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:01:36 No.76836487 Report

Quoted By: >>76836530

>>76836229
Yes. People didn't like the "alawys look up all your wargear" system and it was getting silly when they repriced so much stuff to be 0 points. So it changed last summer with 9th ed for everybody.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:01:50 No.76836490 Report

Quoted By: >>76836510

Did they lower the bullshit 10ppm for guardians?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:01:56 No.76836492 Report

Quoted By: >>76836516 >>76836528 >>76836572 >>76836600

How are sisters if I don't use repentia/zeph/Morts/PEs/Non-SoB units?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:03:21 No.76836510 Report

Quoted By: >>76836638

>>76836490
Down to 8ppm, yes.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:03:37 No.76836516 Report

Quoted By: >>76837159

>>76836492
so.. you want to spam battle sisters?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:03:57 No.76836521 Report

Quoted By: >>76836593

How did the toaster boys get changed?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:04:07 No.76836523 Report

Quoted By: >>76836573

>>76836361
Listen here undercover Games Workshop employee, tell your overseers that if you want people to buy official models, how about lowering the prices so customers don't feel like getting ripped off.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:04:14 No.76836525 Report

Quoted By: >>76836546 >>76836599

>>76836364
>Stillmania?
Something stupid no one does, from a GW writer twenty plus years ago, whom everyone thought was crazy even at the time.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:04:17 No.76836526 Report

Quoted By: >>76836570

>>76836474
Yeah that was never gonna fly
>>76836450
Thanks anon. I still dont think its a huge drawback. Most stuff youre shooting with mutli meltas is gonna want a full squad shooting in to it. Id rather drop 2 squads of mm devs in a pod than ome squad with a captain and a lieutenant

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:04:18 No.76836528 Report

Quoted By: >>76837159

>>76836492
At that point your best option is a "heavy firepower, hard as rocks" army where you build around being Order of The Valorous Heart and having a bunch of Retributors for your main firepower.

Repentia, Zephyrim, and Mortifiers are some of the better units in the book and cutting yourself off from them isn't really a good idea

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:04:23 No.76836530 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836487
>So it changed last summer with 9th ed for everybody.
well, it only just now changed for everybody.

The chapter approved book that launched with 9th ed still used the 8th edition points system.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:04:37 No.76836535 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836474
Aye, the only bad thing about this was that it didn't come out the same day that the DG was properly released. The amount of seethe would have been delicious.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:05:20 No.76836546 Report

Quoted By: >>76836581

>>76836525
I'm curious, what was stillmania? I only got into the game in 2008

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:06:16 No.76836561 Report

Quoted By: >>76836577

I have a box of Chaos Marines to assemble and will be getting the start collecting box in mail. Since the latter one is monopose, and I probably wont run more then 3-4 MSU squads, how should I assemble the box?

The start competing one comes with the following monopose ones

1 Aspiring Champion w/ plasma pistol and chainaxe.
1 chaos space marine with plasma gun.
1 chaos space marine with autocannon (this can be kitbashed with the obliterator in the box to be a reaper chaincannon instead).
4 chaos space marines with bolt pistol and chainsword.
3 chaos space marines with boltguns

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:06:37 No.76836564 Report

Quoted By:

>>76834939

Anyone got the original image of this without the shitty meme text?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:06:53 No.76836570 Report

Quoted By: >>76836630

>>76836526
>huge drawback
It's not a huge one, but still a drawback. The lack of transport options combined with M5 is erad's biggest weakness imo.
As for podding devs, you can always pod them close to the captain/LT or if you have strats for rerolls. UM come to mind here.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:07:16 No.76836572 Report

Quoted By: >>76837159

>>76836492
You can do an Order of our Martyred Lady Retributor Spam shooting list using Junith that's pretty good. Worth noting though that it's the specific list most hurt by the points changes since it used 3 10 girl Ret squads.

Anon Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:07:31 No.76836573 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836523
I gave 3 fingers on my left hand to design the supremacy armor; not my fault commander cheddar only gives you 600 freedom dollars to build your 500 pt craftsworld army

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:07:49 No.76836577 Report

Quoted By: >>76836616

>>76836561
Or better yet, magnetize your miniatures so that you can swap out weapons and heads whenever you feel like it.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:08:18 No.76836581 Report

Quoted By: >>76836637

>>76836546

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:08:41 No.76836587 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836208
hey i made that picture, good god

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:08:52 No.76836591 Report

Quoted By: >>76836617 >>76836644 >>76836649

Is it really bad if I don't magnitize my models and run them how they are modeled?
All this swapping gets annoying?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:08:57 No.76836593 Report

Quoted By: >>76836727

>>76836521
As far as I can see, not by much, if at all.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:09:31 No.76836599 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836525
>everyone thought was crazy
Correction, he was unquestionably insane.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:09:38 No.76836600 Report

Quoted By: >>76837159

>>76836492
What does that even leave?
Battle Sisters,
Celestians
Retribtors
Dominions
Seraphim
Transports
Exorcist
Eh... It could work, but you'll be really short on melee threat unless you go Bloody Rose and take a lot of Celestians, as everything else there would struggle in melee with Guardsmen.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:10:48 No.76836616 Report

Quoted By: >>76836642 >>76836651 >>76836670 >>76836689 >>76836718 >>76836739 >>76836910 >>76837227

>>76836577
Do people magnetize troops?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:10:49 No.76836617 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836591
It's perfectly fine unless you're trying to win major tournaments and need to eke out every little win percentage you can.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:11:38 No.76836630 Report

Quoted By: >>76836763

>>76836570
Yeah ultras devs are fun. Im planning a plasma heavy list with my ultras successors at the moment

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:12:12 No.76836635 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836270
2 devastators will barely kill a rhino in mm range on acarage. Whatever it is you are shooting at, if you want it dead you are not going to split fire

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:12:13 No.76836637 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836581
This genuinely reads like someone else making fun of how Stillman picks his armies.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:12:13 No.76836638 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836510
Still over costed ffs. A 10 modelsquad with the cheapest heavy weapon is still 102 pts

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:12:20 No.76836642 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836616
Very, very few people do.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:12:31 No.76836644 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836591
Magnetizing should be reserved for Vehicles, or the occasional character.
*exception being jump packs on some units like Death Company where you may want to put them in a Rhino at some point.

Magnetizing anything else is a waste of time/money.
Magnets aren't cheap.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:12:57 No.76836649 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836591
Infantry: not worth the effort and no one will care as long as you say what they're using before the game
Vehicles: Yeah, worth magnetising

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:12:56 No.76836651 Report

Quoted By: >>76836681 >>76836718

>>76836616
Maybe if the magnets are small enough, and the hobbyist have surgery like precision, it's possible but very risky to do so.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:14:23 No.76836668 Report

Quoted By: >>76836722

It will take an endtimes-ing of 40k to get exodites and squats, you know it to be true

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:14:25 No.76836669 Report

Quoted By: >>76836679 >>76836683 >>76836699 >>76836704 >>76836713 >>76836728

I'm coming from MESBG and I was wondering which faction/army is the most melee-centric/capable and which is the worst in terms of melee units? I assume Orks are the best in melee, right? I understand this game has guns and vehicles and all that, but I still just love rushing in and smashing face

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:14:37 No.76836670 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836616
Couldn't be fucked desu

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:15:20 No.76836679 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836669
Tau are 100% worst in melee.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:15:24 No.76836681 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836651
I just give everything a plasma gun that can take one, can't go wrong with plasma

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:15:28 No.76836683 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836669
Wod eaters chaos space marines are the most melre focused probably.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:15:43 No.76836687 Report

Quoted By: >>76836714 >>76836743

>>76835904

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:15:47 No.76836689 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836616
>magnetizing troops
I already have a hard enough time with things bigger then infantry

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:16:26 No.76836699 Report

Quoted By: >>76836847

>>76836669
Blood Angels are very melee oriented, don't know if they are 100% the best though

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:16:40 No.76836702 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836246
Thicken your paints

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:16:43 No.76836704 Report

Quoted By: >>76836847

>>76836669
There are lots of melee heavy armies, and we're currently in an edition that rewards melee, so, plenty of options.

Tau is the absolute worst in melee. Best is a lot harder to determine.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:17:01 No.76836707 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836388
>for when you know that 4 MM shots are enough for killing something
at what confidence percentile? A lot of times its worth making sure something is dead

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:17:44 No.76836713 Report

Quoted By: >>76836730 >>76836847

>>76836669
Orks are good in melee but the best in melee are the three melee Space marine factions. Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and White Scars. Worst is Tau by a huge margin. The missions of the current edition favor and rewards melee armies, so you're in luck.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:17:44 No.76836714 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836687
At least someone did haha, nice vehicle squads there. Very clean painting.
Ill post some of mine to keep the ball rolling

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:18:07 No.76836718 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836616
Special, heavy and melee (on squad leaders) weapons yes. Why paint 2 tacticals if I can paint 1 + 1 extra weapon.
>>76836651
2x1 mm magnets aren't small, and you don't need surgery like precision. Just don't be a tard.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:18:20 No.76836722 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836668
They don't need to end times 40k, least of all to release those armies.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:18:41 No.76836727 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836593
I think peltasts went down by a point

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:18:42 No.76836728 Report

Quoted By: >>76836847

>>76836669
worst melee: tau
Best melee:
really depends on how you want to go. Lots of army are melee focused.
>slaanesh daemons
>khorne daemons
>world eaters CSM
>Blood Angels SM
>Black Templars SM
>Genestealer Cults
>Novokh Necrons
>Orks
>Tyranids
>Sisters of Battle

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:18:58 No.76836730 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836713
I should probably throw Black Templar in there now too. But they take a lot more finesse to play.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:18:57 No.76836731 Report

Quoted By: >>76836815

>>76836388
Apply yours. He asked when you would want to put 1 MM shot into something else

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:19:40 No.76836739 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836616
I did once
Never again

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:19:56 No.76836742 Report

Quoted By: >>76836766

Raptors are at 15 points per model with the Q&A today. 150 for 10 with an icon of wrath. This seems like a really good rate, am I retarded?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:19:59 No.76836743 Report

Quoted By: >>76836756 >>76836784 >>76836791

>>76836687
>Stubber the same barrel thickness as autocannons

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:20:39 No.76836756 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836743
Much bigger shells on the autocannon

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:21:03 No.76836763 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836630
>plasma heavy list with my ultras
Nice.
>drilled barrels
Extra nice. I really enjoy my UM too, especially melee centric lists. Thank you relic standard.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:21:31 No.76836766 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836742
160 sorry.

In Night Lords, if you were taking 2x10 raptors and 1x10 warp talons, this gives you 100 points back.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:21:58 No.76836777 Report

Quoted By:

I think Zephyrim are the biggest winners today. 180 points for 31 attacks with S4 AP-4, D1, on a unit that can drop in and make a 100% guaranteed 9" charge very consistently, is just bonkers.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:22:17 No.76836784 Report

Quoted By: >>76836857 >>76836870

>>76836743

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:22:56 No.76836791 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836743
It's either that or they break with light handling.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:24:41 No.76836815 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836731
Not my fault he's unable to read and that I charitably interpreted that he asked about 1 (one) MM shooting something just like any other reasonable person with a passing knowledge of how the shooting rules work.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:25:35 No.76836822 Report

Quoted By:

>>76834939
>how fucked are you?
Tau. Slightly more than I was before, which isn't saying much relatively speaking.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:26:36 No.76836830 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835042
>I need to read once every six months what is this bullshit
relax

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:28:02 No.76836847 Report

Quoted By: >>76836890 >>76836897 >>76836913 >>76836935

>>76836699
>>76836704
>>76836713
>>76836728
So I've been on the site I order MESBG minis off of (LGS is closed no bully and they stopped with the 10-20% discounts) and I've seen the £100 Indomitus box that includes two armies that >>76836728
Listed. I assume it would be a good investment if I were to buy this Indomitus box as it gives me two armies that I can build/tweak to be more melee focused? I'd rather not go big with a giant box to get started but if it's a really good investment/deal -as I find most big boxes are - then I should probably get it, assuming that the look of marines and the necrons are ones I like.

Also, I've done a bit more reading and searching and let's say I chose a marine army like the Templars or White Scars, I can just paint them however I like or is it sort of the "rule" that White Scars are white and Black Templars are black, etc. Only reason I ask that is because with LOTR, at least what I've experienced, the models tend to be painted how they look in Jackson's LOTR movies. I don't want to field an army of let's say White Scars and sorry out because I painted them maybe A darker colour or whatever

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:28:29 No.76836848 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835336
Technically, you're now playing with 8th ed + WOTS rules but 9th ed point costs.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:28:36 No.76836849 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835042
kek based

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:29:07 No.76836857 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836784
>Paint the same thiccness as both the stubber and the autocannon.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:29:31 No.76836860 Report

Quoted By: >>76836882

>>76835501
Battle sisters also went up +2 didn't they?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:30:14 No.76836869 Report

Quoted By: >>76836898

>>76834939
Wtf i love judiciars now

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:30:31 No.76836870 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836784
Fuck me, this is physically painful to look at.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:30:32 No.76836871 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835721
>you fags and your drones caused the biggest customer exodus the industry ever saw and directly lead to the primaris problem of today
That's retarded.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:30:40 No.76836873 Report

Quoted By: >>76836931 >>76836938 >>76837584

Am I way off on what exactly the technovirus is capable of? I'm sure it's at least exaggerated but does the tech literally become infested with daemons or does it just get all fucky

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:31:19 No.76836882 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836860
Nope, they have been 11 ppm since the start of 9E.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:31:29 No.76836885 Report

Quoted By: >>76836911 >>76836918 >>76836922 >>76836930 >>76836959 >>76836990 >>76837002 >>76837006 >>76838689

Congrats anon! You’ve been granted the power by GW’s shareholders and board of executives to decide on one model/unit to return from the grave. What oop or otherwise abandoned model/unit will you revive?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:31:35 No.76836890 Report

Quoted By: >>76837035

>>76836847
The Marine half of Indomitus is already pretty melee focused, and you could find a Necron player to buy that half off you.

>let's say I chose a marine army like the Templars or White Scars, I can just paint them however I like
Yeah, you can do that. Space Marines are organized into Chapters, and the background is specifically designed so you can create your own Chapter. When you do that, you can run it with whatever rules you feel are most appropriate. There's even an option in the book for picking rules for your chapter from a large list, if you don't think the rules of any of the major chapters fit.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:31:53 No.76836897 Report

Quoted By: >>76837035

>>76836847
Indomitus box is an incredibly good value.

You can paint your armies however you like. Those are just the 'canon' colours.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:31:56 No.76836898 Report

Quoted By: >>76836944

>>76836869
That's how his ability always worked anon?
How were you playing it?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:31:56 No.76836899 Report

Quoted By: >>76836983

My god, first time buying minatures and it’s actually super small and I have xbox hueg hands

Are primaris muhhreens much bigger

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:32:34 No.76836907 Report

Quoted By:

>>76835721
The edition where shield drone spam became a thing was the largest influx of new 40k players.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:32:44 No.76836910 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836616
I do it on deathwatch

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:32:47 No.76836911 Report

Quoted By: >>76836976

>>76836885
Looted vehicles for orks and not actually release a kit for it. Watch lazy fucks squeal when they have to even somewhat convert something

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:33:02 No.76836913 Report

Quoted By: >>76837035

>>76836847
The marine army is really melee focused, it has just one dedicated ranged unit. The necrons are pretty ranged heavy, but a melee necron can be built pretty easily on Indomitus as the scarabs/warriors are a spine in any Necron army.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:33:18 No.76836917 Report

Quoted By:

>>76834939
>New points updates have just been dropped, how fucked are you?
Goddamn it. All of my army plans are at clean 1,000 points. Now I need to go and fucking rework everything.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:33:20 No.76836918 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836885
I'd give Necrons pariahs back. Don't even play Necrons, but they're fluffy.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:33:36 No.76836922 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836885
The Greater Knarloc

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:34:13 No.76836930 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836885
Necron Pariahs, 9th edition is the necron edition.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:34:15 No.76836931 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836873
I think it's a fun idea. Lore isn't too specific, but have actual daemons manifest as the virus sounds on point for chaos anyways

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:34:21 No.76836935 Report

Quoted By: >>76837035

>>76836847
Generally, it's like this.
If you paint something as say White scars, with the correct shoulder heraldry and whatnot, you only play them as white scars.
If you paint something in X colour with non-known chapter heraldry, play them as whatever the fuck you want. And if you do this, never use them as successors unless you want to pick and match tactics since you lose out on special characters and relics.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:34:20 No.76836937 Report

Quoted By: >>76836957 >>76838793

New info on lost Primaries when? I want humanitarian Space Marines :(
Or I'll just make my own legion

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:34:28 No.76836938 Report

Quoted By: >>76837165

>>76836873
RUINED

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:34:54 No.76836944 Report

Quoted By: >>76836972

>>76836898
Thought the strat overruled the rule since it was alway "select a unit eligible to fight" and the judiciar's rule didn't prevent a unit to fight

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:35:53 No.76836957 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836937
Literally never. One of the rare times GW made a good lore choice.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:36:05 No.76836959 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836885
The Juggernaut Lord, with full options for 40k and AOS.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:36:47 No.76836972 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836944
The judicar's ability has been "make a unit not eligible" since at least the codex release.
This was just a clarifiction for brainlets.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:36:52 No.76836976 Report

Quoted By: >>76837002 >>76837066

>>76836911
LVs already got brought back more or less in CA2018 if memory serves. They’ve gotten official rules, but I don’t think you’re allowed to use them in tournaments (because GW are cowards)

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:37:31 No.76836982 Report

Quoted By: >>76836989 >>76837012 >>76837017 >>76837029 >>76837034 >>76837045 >>76837066 >>76837138

Bruhs, do they even proof read their FAQ's?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:37:38 No.76836983 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836899
nope.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:37:55 No.76836989 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836982
Fuck no

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:37:55 No.76836990 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836885
MKIX armour.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:38:41 No.76837002 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836885
Mounted lords/sorcs for chaos. Way too cool and somewhat signature for chaos

>>76836976
Open play only though since it only has a power level

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:38:58 No.76837006 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836885
Necron pariahs or the old Drukhari archon, which is objectively better than the current one.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:39:45 No.76837012 Report

Quoted By: >>76837377

>>76836982
>Heavy Transport with no transport space

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:40:10 No.76837017 Report

Quoted By: >>76837038 >>76837039 >>76837303 >>76837389

>>76836982
That's not even their worst mistake. Chaos sorcerers can now take every weapon a lord can

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:40:46 No.76837029 Report

Quoted By: >>76837082

>>76836982
they moved most of the points cost from the weapon to the tank itself, don't ask me why

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:41:11 No.76837034 Report

Quoted By: >>76837063

>>76836982
Not sure what you're referring to? This just means that the Eradicator nova and Exec plasma cannon are 0 pts.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:41:15 No.76837035 Report

Quoted By: >>76837060 >>76837083

>>76836935
>>76836890
Thanks a lot for this I like the idea of finally having an army painted how I want. Not Saying Uruk-hai don't look sweet af, but I'm going to paint how I'd like to now and if it's just a shoulder heraldry I need to discern what I'm playing then that's sweet to know. Thanks anons

>>76836897
>>76836913
Indomitus looks like a really sweet box and I doubt the contents in it will diminish in value soon, so I might just keep both sides and see how they fare. I will say though, I like the idea of being the bad guys/evil guys so Chaos is calling to me

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:41:30 No.76837038 Report

Quoted By: >>76837303

>>76837017
This is the opposite of a problem

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:41:44 No.76837039 Report

Quoted By: >>76837085 >>76837303

>>76837017
>Chaos sorcerers can now take every weapon a lord can
BASED. Can't wait to smite with my mind and a thunder hammer now.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:42:20 No.76837045 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836982
Nope. And GW hates horde armies anyway.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:43:59 No.76837060 Report

Quoted By: >>76837091 >>76837107 >>76837128 >>76837150 >>76837304

>>76837035
>playing as the bad or evil guys
anon, the 41st millenium is grim darkness. There are no good guys except the harlequins. The Imperium is a rotting shell of beaurocracy who value equipment more than the citizenry, and they worship a rotting corpse. The T'au use brainwashing and sending their alien allies out as decoys and guinea pigs. The eldar are dying fuckwits too arrogant to admit they fucked everything forever.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:44:02 No.76837063 Report

Quoted By: >>76837078 >>76837095 >>76837138

>>76837034
But the Punisher and Exterminator cost 20 and 15 points? Nah, m8. They obviously meant it to be 15 points but forgot the "1".

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:44:22 No.76837066 Report

Quoted By:

>>76836976
Yeah. it's open play which nobody ever used. Though now that seems largely gone in favor of crusade/matched being the main avenues of content. There's a decent chance they'll eventually come back.

>>76836982
It's more a function of the weird new points setup than a mistake per se.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:45:50 No.76837078 Report

Quoted By: >>76837123

>>76837063
>burger education system

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:46:02 No.76837082 Report

Quoted By: >>76837117

>>76837029
Then why do you pay so many extra points for the Punisher and Exterminator?
Also what's the Plasma Cannon refering to? The Executioner Plasma Cannon, or Plasma Cannon Sponsons? Or are you now allowed to take a Plasma Cannon as a hull mount?

I have so many questions.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:46:11 No.76837083 Report

Quoted By: >>76837128

>>76837035
If you aren't 100% committed to either Space Marines or Necrons, don't bother with Indomitus. Find the army range you like the best and buy it.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:46:19 No.76837085 Report

Quoted By: >>76837108 >>76837110

>>76837039
>thunder hammer
what? I thought only one specific lord had one of those.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:46:40 No.76837091 Report

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>>76837060
>eldar
Aeldari(tm)

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:46:46 No.76837093 Report

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What a stupid change to abhore the witch. It "fixed" it for armies against which it wasn't used anyway. while against 1ksons or GK, it still avarges at over 10 VP and stacks with other kill objectives. I guess thank you GW, for not rising the point costs of our stuff.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:46:56 No.76837095 Report

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>>76837063
It's way more likely that the punisher and exterminator is supposed to go to 0 pts.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:48:09 No.76837107 Report

Quoted By: >>76837115 >>76837127 >>76839045

>>76837060
To be fair, everyone is shit, but some people are far more shit. Nids, chaos, dark eldar, etc are far more pure evil and always will be, full stop, no mitigation.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:48:17 No.76837108 Report

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>>76837085
It's a generic option now that that model is a generic lord.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:48:28 No.76837110 Report

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>>76837085
Nah it's been on the chaos lord weapon table since that model came out. Any model with access to that table can use it, so lords, exalted champions and chosen. They use that model as the generic lord on their store now so they have to let you use it.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:48:50 No.76837115 Report

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>>76837107
>Nids
what's evil about following your instincts and just wanting food?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:48:58 No.76837117 Report

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>>76837082
Are you retarded? You still put together the unit with the wargear from the normal codex entry. Does it say Plasma Cannon or does it say Eradicator Plasma Cannon in that list? What could those words possibly mean???!1!

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:49:30 No.76837123 Report

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>>76837078
Do you think the Punisher is worth 15 points more than a Demolisher?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:49:38 No.76837127 Report

Quoted By: >>76837141 >>76837152

>>76837107
Why settle for the lesser evil?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:49:37 No.76837128 Report

Quoted By: >>76837169

>>76837083
I don't know enough about either to say I can commit to them yet. Especially the Space marines half as it goes far deeper than just blue space marines seeing as there's loads of different chapters/subfractions?

>>76837060
That's good to know that there's a lot more evil than just Chaos. It makes my decision harder but I'll have loads of fun reading everything I can find out about the different armies now then. I appreciate all the help anon(s)

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:50:17 No.76837138 Report

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>>76836982
>>76837063
>They obviously meant it to be 15 points but forgot the "1".
No. Battle Cannons and Demolisher Cannons have been the same cost (20 points under the old system) for six months. This is not an unintended mistake.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:50:47 No.76837141 Report

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>>76837127
To destroy the greater evil

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:51:15 No.76837150 Report

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>>76837060
Ah yes, the evil paradox: If everyone is evil, then no one is evil. What is correct is everyone fights for survival, and fighting for survival is not evil.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:51:27 No.76837152 Report

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>>76837127
Because even evil has standards, and your fashion sense is terrible.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:51:57 No.76837159 Report

Quoted By: >>76837205 >>76837210

>>76836516
Yes? Actually using sister's of battle and not retard mechs and strippers.
>>76836528.
>Repentia, Zephyrim, and Mortifiers are some of the better units in the book and cutting yourself off from them isn't really a good idea
I don't like the way they look. Nupentia are fucking vomit on bases with Nikes, and while I have my old metal ones, I frankly never liked them either. I just don't like the unit as a concept I guess. Never have. Same thing with the PEs/Morts. I don't like the unit, so I don't want to have to buy a bunch of expensive garbage multiple times because the rules are good. Seraphim are my favorite unit in the game and a always have been. Zerphs. Idk. I guess they're ok. Their fluff is kinda retarded, though, and the extra shit on the helmet and junk pack ruins the model.
>>76836572
>using Junith
Yikes. Snowflake donutsteel characters are gay. Seriously, named characters are stupid and I hate using them.
>>76836600
I was hoping to use Argent Shroud, but I forgot this 40k where playing what you want or what you think is cool usually means it's bad. Everything you listed has been the quintessential core of the army, and the fact that it seems to be luke warm is rather depressing.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:52:24 No.76837165 Report

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>>76836938
They can easily be removed, what would you suggest instead? Just leave it as a melted look? I genuinely just don't get what this technovirus is supposed to actually do so I'm fine either way, I like both looks

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:52:36 No.76837169 Report

Quoted By: >>76837332 >>76837337

>>76837128
40k is a universe of shades of grey. CSM could be argued as fighting for freedom and unity in chaos(depending on the faction). Daemons are pure manifestations of congealed emotion. Orks are single-mindedly dedicated to A GOOD SCRAP WAAAAGH! Tyranids are largely driven by hunger. They're intelligent, but their intelligence drives them to eat and eat. Necrons seek to return to their living bodies and unite their shattered empire.

except the drukhari. They're 100% pure evil.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:52:55 No.76837174 Report

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>>76837123
No. But it is exactly consistent with the old points values of 20 and 35.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:54:58 No.76837205 Report

Quoted By: >>76837236 >>76837245 >>76837517

>>76837159
You can clip the extra stuff on the jump pack off and give your Zephyrim regular helmets.

Anyway, if you want to get the most out of Seraphim, they're best in Bloody Rose. You might consider an Outrider of them, with three units of 5 Seraphim each, with hand flamers, to maximize on that AP-1 for pistols. Inferno pistols aren't worth it on them - you're better off running multi melta retributors for tank hunting.

Basically: If you're trying to compete, Bloody Rose and Valorous Heart are the only Sisters worth running. In casual games, any order works, run what you like.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:55:26 No.76837210 Report

Quoted By: >>76837517

>>76837159
Argent Shroud kinda sucks. But sisters are good so your army may end up okayish even with your pile of restrictions. But at this point you might as well just use whatever the fuck you want.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:56:35 No.76837227 Report

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>>76836616
Sergeants and maybe some one-arm weapon dudes if they have nice options.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:57:28 No.76837236 Report

Quoted By: >>76837245 >>76837286

>>76837205
2 orders being good is nice. Some armies don't even have one order/chapter/something in their books. Or plain don't have a rule set to represent one of those.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 19:58:25 No.76837245 Report

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>>76837205
>>76837236
OoOML is good took after the weapons buffs. But you need to be fielding Junith.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:00:32 No.76837272 Report

Quoted By: >>76837300 >>76837302 >>76837312 >>76837459

So, my brother claims that the FAQ broke his guard, but he wont tell me why. Can anyone of you help me understand why he is mad?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:01:08 No.76837286 Report

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>>76837236
I actually run a mixed Bloody Rose/Valorous Heart force when I have to take on the local tournament players. The mix of heavy weapons from VH and melee power from BR is really nice, and VH models are almost impossible to shift without using anti tank firepower. They ignore AP-1 and -2 and have a 6+ FNP.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:02:08 No.76837300 Report

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>>76837272
shit got more expensive. that can fuck up entire lists and wargear choices.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:02:10 No.76837302 Report

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>>76837272
Guard is the army of "I would rather be playing a historical right now" so guard players are always mad by default.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:02:13 No.76837303 Report

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>>76837017
>>76837038
>>76837039
Forgot to include that he sorcerers don't have force weapons listed on it anymore. But yah, a sorc with a hammer or claws and buffs is hilarious

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:02:20 No.76837304 Report

Quoted By: >>76837328 >>76837363 >>76837375 >>76837404 >>76837458 >>76837499

>>76837060
>The T'au use brainwashing and sending their alien allies out as decoys and guinea pigs.

Wrong. The T'au don't use cannon fodder anything. T'au commanders that do are put on trial and face severe punishments.

The T'au have the moral high ground in 40K.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:02:44 No.76837312 Report

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>>76837272
Infantry squads rose 5 points because GW heard that "Grots shouldn't be the same points cost as Guard!!!!" and they responded the way you'd expect.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:03:51 No.76837328 Report

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>>76837304
>The T'au have the moral high ground in 40K.
Imagine unironically believing this.
Not even someone who cares that much about lore, but if you don't pick up on the obvious issues Tau have, you're need help, friendo.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:04:13 No.76837332 Report

Quoted By: >>76837439 >>76838124

>>76837169
Isn't the deal with the dark elder that their souls are constantly being leeched away by Slaanesh so they have to go all Monsters inc just to survive

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:04:35 No.76837337 Report

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>>76837169
I've got lots of reading and model viewing to do then. I think I'll wait on the Indomitus box for now despite it being a great deal as I might go a complete different direction army wise. I like the idea of Chaos, Tyranids, and Daemons but I know they're the fantasy daemons and I never liked the look of them. Can I ask about Chaos since I've seen this website groups some together.....Can I build an army with 2 or more different chaos factions/groups? For instance, Chaos space marines with some of the Thousand Sons beside them? Would there be any point or benefit to that gameplay wise?

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:06:08 No.76837363 Report

Quoted By: >>76837433 >>76837442

>>76837304
>t. brainwashed G'uela.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:06:53 No.76837375 Report

Quoted By: >>76837433 >>76837472 >>76837796

>>76837304
>Tau are good guys
why do people believe this meme

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:07:11 No.76837377 Report

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>>76837012
>that was then given the same transport space as the Crassus despite being significantly larger, more expensive, and formerly carrying more

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:08:03 No.76837387 Report

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>>76837337
You CAN mix Chaos together, but in the current edition, your units are grouped into "Detachments" under a single theme. You can't mix, say, Thousand Sons and Death Guard in the same detachment, but you can take multiple detachments. The issue is that detachments beyond your first cost Command Points, which you use to activate abilities during the game. Some armies, especially ones that have been updated to the new edition, have bonuses that require your entire force to be drawn from just army, as if you got bonuses for taking a pure Rohan force with no allies from Gondor.

Essentially, you can mix and match, but it comes at a cost.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:08:13 No.76837389 Report

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>>76837017
That is a good thing

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:09:06 No.76837400 Report

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It seems like the trucks are the biggest change for Genestealer Cults. The Goliath Truck got 10 points cheaper, and the Goliath Rockgrinder went down 20.

Mechanized GSC might be the way to go, but I'm going to hold off on buying things till the codex hits.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:09:07 No.76837401 Report

Quoted By: >>76837435 >>76837451 >>76837519 >>76837540

>>76837300
nice, that means i now have more chances beating him.
>>76837302
He actually once tried historics, but his view of history was so strange that people stopped playing historicals with him,
>>76837312
Werent they 50 points in total before? Does that make them 55 points now? That would be really strange to have 5,5 point models...

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:09:11 No.76837404 Report

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>>76837304
Getting real tired of these water caste.

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:09:38 No.76837411 Report

Quoted By: >>76837516

>>76837337
Thousand Sons ARE chaos space marines

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:09:49 No.76837414 Report

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>>76835818
Nids weren't nerfed most other things power crept past them.
Blame the primaris

Anonymous Thu 07 Jan 2021 20:10:43 No.76837425 Report

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>>76837337
Chaos is the superfaction like Imperium is. Currently the armies of chaos are: Daemons, Chaos Space Marines, Deathguard, Thousand Sons, and Renegades & Heretics. R&H is all but dead though. You can bring multiple detachments and have TS with regular CSM with no issues. The cult marines are usable by CSM as a unit choice as well. Currently CSM, TS, and DG all kind of suck, but that can could change as soon as any of them get a new codex.

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