/tg/ - Traditional Games » Thread #77849988

[357 / 30 / 54]

575KiB, 844x1000, DINNER INTERRUPTED-full.jpg

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace

/5eg/ Dungeons and Dragons Fifth Edition General:

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 00:08:11 2021 No.77849988 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>77850052 >>77850059 >>77850149

Hangry Edition

>UA: Gothic Lineages
https://media.wizards.com/2021/dnd/downloads/UA2021_GothicLineages.pdf

>5e Trove
https://thetrove.is/Books/Dungeons%20%26%20Dragons%20%5Bmulti%5D/5th%20Edition%20%285e%29/

>5etools
https://5e.tools/

>Stable releases
https://get.5e.tools/

>Resources:
http://pastebin.com/X1TFNxck

>Previous thread: >>77843092

>Party approaches a giant roasting female over fire.
What do?

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace daggerfall mage.jpg, 191KiB, 400x600

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:09:51 No.77850029 Report

Quoted By: >>77850054 >>77850062 >>77850070 >>77850118 >>77850141 >>77850153 >>77850207 >>77850295 >>77850385

classes for this feel?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:10:53 No.77850052 Report

Quoted By:

>>77849988
Fuck giant
Marry fire
Kill girl

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:10:55 No.77850054 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850029
The Elder Scrolls.
Spellblade.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:11:06 No.77850059 Report

Quoted By: >>77850101

>>77849988
Previous character:
>psychic message her and ask her what she'll give me to get her out of this
Or
>ask if I can try some, just a little

Current character:
>Shit's about to get chivalrous as fuck here.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:11:19 No.77850062 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850029
There isn't one. Everyone wishes there was but really there isn't.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Tyrone.png, 591KiB, 500x638

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:11:26 No.77850066 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:11:36 No.77850070 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850029
Paladin, the only /5eg/ approved gish

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 95CCF4CB-220F-46DB-9A06-B62C28C2 (...).jpg, 118KiB, 550x733

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:12:07 No.77850086 Report

Quoted By: >>77850218 >>77850267 >>77850292 >>77850358 >>77850459 >>77850750 >>77850809

God damn how do I make combat? CR is fucking pointless as I’ve put them in bad spots with CR1/4 and they wiped the floor with CR 8. I’m not trying to kill the party but make them use everything in their arsenal to win. If the artificer still has spell slots, the Druid hasn’t even used the bag of tricks I gave him and the barbarian still has rages left then I feel like I made it boring

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1520379443665.jpg, 1MiB, 1280x3048

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:12:51 No.77850101 Report

Quoted By: >>77850286

>>77850059

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace elemental tempest.png, 425KiB, 564x769

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:13:51 No.77850118 Report

Quoted By: >>77852898

>>77850029
4E Swordmage.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:15:00 No.77850141 Report

Quoted By: >>77850183

>>77850029
>light armor
>a sword
>magicky shit
It's literally a bladesinger

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:15:22 No.77850149 Report

Quoted By:

>>77849988
We have a charmed Ogre. I think that scent of roastimg meat would trigger something in his tiny brain and moron would go berserk and try to bite off giant's kneecaps.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:15:25 No.77850151 Report

Quoted By: >>77850187

>trying to drag an argument from the old into the new
Why is there always one autistic freak who does this?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:15:28 No.77850153 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850029
Literally Blood Hunter

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace nirimer_comm_7.jpg, 1MiB, 1358x1920

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:16:17 No.77850178 Report

Here's your sorcerer, bro

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:16:28 No.77850183 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850141
You and I both know that person wants to be a proper spellsword rather than a normal pure wizard but with AC tricks.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:16:36 No.77850187 Report

Quoted By: >>77850261

>>77850151
shut the FUCK up faggot

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:17:08 No.77850199 Report

Quoted By: >>77850246

>>77850178
is that supposed to be booming blade?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:17:24 No.77850207 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850029
Eldritch Knight?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:17:53 No.77850218 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850086
Varied monsters and varied room design
Not every fight has to be balls to the wall as long as it makes them use up some resources

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Lazers.jpg, 157KiB, 1000x1116

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:18:17 No.77850233 Report

Quoted By: >>77850309 >>77850319

What are your opinions on the Firearms in the DMG? Are they all overpowered, can they all fit into a setting without too much hassle, or is there a middle ground between them?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:18:46 No.77850246 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850199
no its cooming blade retard

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:19:15 No.77850259 Report

Quoted By: >>77852511 >>77852545

>>77850178
>dragonborn
>tail

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:19:25 No.77850261 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850187
Found the autistic freak who tried to drag the argument across

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:19:33 No.77850267 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850086
Depleting all their resources every fight would be boring

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:19:57 No.77850272 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
ok you can join but you have to remove the belts
and the dress
and the leggings
be naked, just be naked
leave the scarf on though

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:20:39 No.77850286 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850101
I did and do specifically have him insist on good manners almost constantly. He did have kind of an outburst after someone objectively guilty and found legally guilty managed to get out of her punishment by just paying a blood price.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:21:08 No.77850292 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850086
Burning resources doesn't equal interesting combat anon

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:21:15 No.77850295 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850029
There are a million options for gishes.
- Hexblades
- Sorcadins
- AT's
- Multiclass AT's
- Hexbards
- Bardins
- Hexblade EK's
- Hexadins
- Rangers
- Paladins

And many more multiclass options.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:22:20 No.77850309 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850233
They are fine, as they have damage dice like any other and you can just limit ammo for a gun unlike with a bow or crossbow
> anyone can find sticks and stones to make arrow head but they can’t just buy bullets, especially those that are from lost civilizations
The Renaissance guns are fine to put in any setting as they aren’t strong enough to be broken but with gunner are the same as crossbows
Now the modern and future weapons can fit if you want them to but I’d say first test the water with flintlocks and muskets

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:22:44 No.77850319 Report

Quoted By: >>77850340

>>77850233
Lazy design, they're basically crossbows+

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:22:47 No.77850321 Report

Quoted By:

>session starts with a 1v1 duel of the worst player vs an enemy

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1594158091447.jpg, 157KiB, 700x745

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:22:47 No.77850322 Report

Quoted By: >>77850761

>>77850178
>exposed dragon feet
alright you're in but no multiclassing

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:23:39 No.77850340 Report

Quoted By: >>77850428

>>77850319
Tell that to reality

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:24:33 No.77850358 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850086
I don't agree with everything this guy says, but this was some really good advice imo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_zl8WWaSyI&ab_channel=MatthewColville

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:25:00 No.77850368 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
>bottom bitch twink
>holding a sword ready to fight
Not believable at all but you're free to be the party cumdump

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:26:03 No.77850385 Report

Quoted By: >>77850475

>>77850029
>still no elder scrolls ttrpg
bros....

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:26:29 No.77850391 Report

Quoted By: >>77850449

How do wizards get advantage? (Barring the owl, which can die to any enemy ranged attack or ready action)

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:27:09 No.77850400 Report

Quoted By: >>77850411 >>77850498

Rolled 16 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>77850178
I roll sleight of hand to reach under his robe

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:27:45 No.77850411 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850400
>sleight of hand
>not ripping it off of him in public and showing him off to assert dominance

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:28:41 No.77850428 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850340
But in reality they're sidegrades, not a direct improvement.
Powder gets wet, guns make lot of noise and smoke and are much slower to reaload compared to crossbows.
The DMG firearms are just crossbows with a higher damage die.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:29:43 No.77850449 Report

Quoted By: >>77850877

>>77850391
Oh I don't know have you tried looking at their spell list? There are several spells at every single level that would qualify.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:30:07 No.77850459 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850086
Its mostly have a decent number of combats per day.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:30:08 No.77850460 Report

Quoted By: >>77850478

>>77850178
It saddens me how there's basically no water themed spells in d&d

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:30:54 No.77850475 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850385
>lazy money milking studio goes out of its way to sell the same game 20 times
>can't lazily milk free money by paying a random retard to make a ttrpg
It's baffling

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:31:04 No.77850478 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850460
There are but most are Druid exclusive
Malestrom is fun to combo with other casters

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:31:33 No.77850492 Report

Quoted By: >>77850505

>>77850178
Does he enjoy having his armpits licked?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:31:55 No.77850498 Report

Quoted By: >>77850513

>>77850400
>under his robe
>his
get your eyes checked

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:32:27 No.77850505 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850492
yes

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:33:05 No.77850512 Report

Quoted By: >>77850524 >>77850536

Why is /tg/ so horny today?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:33:05 No.77850513 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850498
>he doesn't know

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:33:40 No.77850524 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850512
/tg/ is always horny

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:34:29 No.77850536 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850512
>today

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:34:49 No.77850539 Report

Quoted By: >>77850573 >>77850590 >>77850634 >>77850667 >>77850762 >>77850769

What's some good spells to bust out for damage dealing if you're mostly playing an Enchantment based Sorcerer? I feel as though I need that one big fucking bang of a spell for when shit really hits the fan and Crowd Control isn't going to be enough.

I don't like fireball.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:34:52 No.77850541 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
wait is this actually supposed to be a guy?

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace pepis.png, 329KiB, 698x942

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:35:36 No.77850557 Report

Quoted By: >>77850579 >>77850599 >>77850762 >>77851004 >>77851007

what second level spells should i take on my divination wizard? i've already taken scorching ray and mirror image. i was thinking about hold person and invisibility. are there any others i should consider taking?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:36:18 No.77850573 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850539
Synaptic Static but that's a 5th level spell so you might be waiting a bit

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:36:30 No.77850575 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
Sorry, our party only allows TWT (twinks who top)

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:36:35 No.77850579 Report

Quoted By: >>77850819

>>77850557
Web is really good.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:37:22 No.77850590 Report

Quoted By: >>77850634

>>77850539
Lightning Bolt?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:37:55 No.77850599 Report

Quoted By: >>77850689 >>77850762 >>77850819

>>77850557
>divination
>scorching ray, mirror image, hold person, invisibility
Retardation doesn't really comes as a surprise from a frogposter

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:39:30 No.77850634 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850539
>>77850590
Or Tidal Wave?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:40:53 No.77850667 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850539
since you don't like fireball you could take lightning bolt or melf's minute meteors as a third level spell. i'm not sure if shooting off a meteor counts as a spell, but if it doesn't it would free you up to cast another spell while shooting meteors as a bonus action.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:42:06 No.77850689 Report

Quoted By: >>77850800 >>77850819

>>77850599
> Taking spells that aren't a part of your school, so you can save money scribing them into your spellbook later.
He may be a Frogposter, but he might be right.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:43:00 No.77850698 Report

Quoted By: >>77850711

>>77850178
There better be a porn version of this

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:43:39 No.77850711 Report

Quoted By: >>77850738

>>77850698
That is the porn version degenerate

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:45:12 No.77850738 Report

Quoted By: >>77853468

>>77850711
doesn't look like the porn version to me

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:45:58 No.77850750 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850086
CR is indeed fucked up and 5e's big flaw is it's hard to make consistently good encounters for a day.

As always I'd suggest thinking about how there could be side objectives in combat. Not just 'kill enemy, don't get killed' but stuff like:
>Creatures or objects you don't want to get damaged during combat (exploding ming vase or a hostage, say)
>Traps, doors and various objects to interact with for both allies and enemies
>Soft limitations (in a pub brawl, you'd definitely lose respect for pulling out a greataxe or dropping a fireball. The fight isn't necessarily just about killing the opponents but just perhaps 'pacifying' them. Another example is just "don't make too much noise", but again, it's not as if the players are executed for disobeying these implied rules)
>Optional objectives, stated obviously or not, such as to steal a spellcaster's shit before they teleport away or to kill an enemy in a way specifically mentioned to preserve it
and there are really endless suggestions like that.

So how does that help? Not at all! That just makes it even harder to prepare for combats. So let me give you an actual answer: Get good at eyeballing it and remember, action economy is king. A single CR 14 enemy couldn't beat a party of low-ish levels whereas a bunch of low CRs could down a guy and kill him before anyone else even gets a turn. Put more weight on multiples of enemies.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:46:22 No.77850758 Report

Quoted By: >>77850800 >>77850801

Lightning Bolt should reach 100 feet regardless of whether or not something stops its progress. It should reflect off any obstacles like a lazer off a mirror until the 100 feet limit had been reached.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:46:39 No.77850761 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850322
Haha what if you fucked him in the ass while he curled his feet in your face

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:46:41 No.77850762 Report

Quoted By: >>77850839

>>77850539
Well, in tough situations you'll prefer crowd control rather than the other way around. Other than that, fireball really is your easiest burst damage option. Otherwise, flaming sphere for sustained damage, or if you really need a damage blast you could grab erupting earth.. it's worse but what can you do.

>>77850557
Web and levitate instead of hold person.

>>77850599
Retardation would be taking divination spells.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:47:01 No.77850769 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850539
>What are some good spells to bust out for damage dealing?
>I don't like the spell that does the actual damage dealing.
just don't bother, then.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:48:41 No.77850800 Report

Quoted By: >>77850825

>>77850758
Oh fuck this, I hated this so much in baldur's gate. I swear my own lightingbolt killed more allies than both campaigns and DLC's.

>>77850689
It's stupid how it works that way to begin with. They should have balanced it around the wizard of said school adding a spell of this school to their spellbook or tied it to arcane recovery instead.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:48:42 No.77850801 Report

Quoted By: >>77850825

>>77850758
that gets imoen killed

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:48:58 No.77850809 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850086
According to my GM and it seems to have worked well for us, the math works out to ~7 resource expending encounters during an adventuring day. I dunno if that helps.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:49:30 No.77850819 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850689
>>77850599
there's a lot of combat in our campaign at the moment, so i've thought about taking combat spells. also, there's not all that many divination 2nd level spells. i suppose detect thoughts and clairvoyance are pretty strong.

>>77850579
web seems cool since it's basically aoe hold person

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:49:46 No.77850825 Report

Quoted By: >>77850913

>>77850800
>>77850801
Yes.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:50:23 No.77850839 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850762
That's the thing, Fireball is objectively one of the better damage dealing spells.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:51:50 No.77850863 Report

Quoted By:

To be fair though if a combat is designed with non-standard objectives it's possible for the party to lose without dying, or it's possible for the party to fail a secondary objective/ignore a choice that might have gotten them respect, but live.

You don't have to have the players succeed 24/7 and you don't have to hit your players with 'a big bad appears and wipes your party and laughs at them and spares them out of pity, you couldn't win this fight'. If the players fail to defend a village then village gone. As long as the players didn't spend all their time creating that village (i.e. shafting their progress), it'll hurt but it won't make the players want to stop playing.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:53:01 No.77850877 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850449
True Strike (Takes up your concentration)
Greater Invisibility (Concentration)
Any spell that creates familiars/pets/summons/simulacrum to help you, or one that holds/traps a person
Foresight

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:54:51 No.77850913 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850825
well, she's canonically dead anyways

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace That's infuriating.png, 3KiB, 169x181

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:55:23 No.77850923 Report

Quoted By: >>77850970 >>77850976 >>77851019

>in the process of making an artificer
>feel the pull of Samurai again

I hate character creation I get so indecisive

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:58:01 No.77850970 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850923
You have only one choice now
>artificer with katana
>high tech samurai

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:58:26 No.77850976 Report

Quoted By: >>77851192

>>77850923
Samurai's one of those ones that I've really wanted to try out but don't think I'd be happy with in the long term because it does boil down to "attack, attack, attack." But a Wood Elf Samurai with the standard array taking Elven Accuracy at 4th, Sharpshooter at 6th, and +2 Dex at 8 seems like a perfectly efficient character - no point of stat allocation wasted.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:59:39 No.77851004 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850557
Level 2 wizard spells I think are good (wizard's level 2s aren't that strong but hey):
>Control:
Web
Hold Person
>Damage:
Dragon's Breath(With flyby familiar)
Cloud of Daggers(If teammates have abilites that move enemies)
>Utility/creative/fun:
Enlarge/Reduce
Suggestion
Magic Mouth
Alter Self
>Defence
Misty Step

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 00:59:46 No.77851007 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850557
magic mouth is mandatory

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:00:42 No.77851019 Report

Quoted By: >>77851125

>>77850923
Samurai is just worse battlemaster
EK is just worse battlesmith

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:02:51 No.77851061 Report

Quoted By:

Alright got a fresh recruit that could be good and he wants to play sorcerer. Big red flag for noobs to play casters but hes played neverwinter nights and some other crpgs so how bad can it be. I dont give a shit about casters so any tips must have spells feat? Hes draconic bloodline.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:05:46 No.77851116 Report

Quoted By: >>77851131 >>77851193 >>77851211 >>77851227 >>77851238 >>77851478

All new players play wizards. And they all think they can do everything like stealth, diplomacy, frontlining. And they all fucking suck. It always ends up with them casting a massive sleep hitting half the party. Why does this happen.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:06:20 No.77851125 Report

Quoted By: >>77852038

>>77851019
EK is superior to battlesmith on the martial side of things.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:06:33 No.77851129 Report

Quoted By: >>77851169

Is it just me, or are spells like simulacrum, true polymorph, clone, etc world and game breaking?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:06:40 No.77851131 Report

Quoted By: >>77851163

>>77851116
I blame gandolf

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:07:23 No.77851148 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
You can join but only if he makes a dexterity check with his tongue on my dick

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:07:57 No.77851163 Report

Quoted By: >>77851182 >>77851192

>>77851131
WHY DONT PEOPLE WANNA BE FUCKING LEGOLAS WHAT YEAR IS THIS

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:08:05 No.77851169 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851129
It's just you

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:08:58 No.77851182 Report

Quoted By: >>77851205

>>77851163
I wanna be gilmi

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:09:33 No.77851192 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851163
see
>>77850976

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:09:34 No.77851193 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851116
>new players play wizards
I've never seen a new player pick wizard unless they're an autistic person who really wants to learn the game. Warlocks, sorcs, and wizards are next to nonexistent among new players. Bards/rangers/monks/clerics/artificers are actually nonexistent, though. It's all paladins, fighters, barbarians, and rogues.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:09:54 No.77851205 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851182
based

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:10:19 No.77851211 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851116
My first 5e character was a Warlock. He was a blast, I miss that amoral psychopath.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:10:52 No.77851227 Report

Quoted By: >>77851267

>>77851116
My first character being a wizard, I take offense to this.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:11:26 No.77851238 Report

Quoted By: >>77851290

>>77851116
>It always ends up with them casting a massive sleep hitting half the party
What the hell you can't even do this by accident.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace Echo Knight.jpg, 273KiB, 2048x1152

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:12:20 No.77851257 Report

Quoted By: >>77852615

What are some FUN combos you can do with Echo Knight

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:12:44 No.77851267 Report

Quoted By: >>77851331

>>77851227
Did you suicide in the frontline? Did you deal massive friendly fire because MUH DPS?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:13:46 No.77851290 Report

Quoted By: >>77851312

>>77851238
He said it would be worth.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:15:00 No.77851312 Report

Quoted By: >>77851347

>>77851290
The spell literally does not affect creatures in the area that the caster doesn't want it to affect.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:15:45 No.77851331 Report

Quoted By: >>77851361

>>77851267
No, I was mostly using Tasha's hideous laughter and tried earning money to cast find familiar and buy a bronze brazier somehow. I died when the ranger pushed me down the stairs of a crypt to save the fighter- of course I took falling damage and couldn't escape afterwards. Wisps killed us all except for the ranger.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:16:46 No.77851347 Report

Quoted By: >>77851406

>>77851312
What? That's not true, you can friendly fire with Sleep.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1561866067556.gif, 220KiB, 320x238

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:17:26 No.77851361 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851331
>I died when the ranger pushed me down the stairs of a crypt to save the fighter
>Wisps killed us all except for the ranger.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:19:48 No.77851406 Report

Quoted By: >>77851426 >>77851468

>>77851347
I don't know why I'm responding to a retard but you literally can't.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:21:13 No.77851426 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851406
Wanna read the rules and try again?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:23:57 No.77851468 Report

Quoted By: >>77851494

>>77851406
It affects creatures in a 20 foot area, in ascending order of HP left. That can very much include friendlies. Sculpt Spell can prevent that obviously, but only for Evocation wizards.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1598962879973.jpg, 97KiB, 1000x750

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:24:31 No.77851478 Report

Quoted By: >>77851489

>>77851116
>first character unironically was a human fighter
>mfw people got mad at me for being too basic

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:25:02 No.77851489 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851478
Hey man, the classics are classics for a reason.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:25:22 No.77851494 Report

Quoted By: >>77851516

>>77851468
Well...no, it's not an Evocation so you can't Sculpt it anyway but even if you could there's no save, so "automatically succeeding on its save" does nothing for your ally.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:26:50 No.77851516 Report

Quoted By: >>77851539

>>77851494
Oh shit you're right. The 20 foot area & creatures in ascending HP still applies though.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:27:56 No.77851539 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851516
Yeah, he's retarded to say that it can't friendly fire, and I love that he completely shut up when he realized how wrong he was.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:31:20 No.77851591 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
he cute

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:44:18 No.77851791 Report

Quoted By: >>77851818 >>77855149

>>77850178
>melee with a d6 hit die
no no WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING YOU MANIAC

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:46:12 No.77851818 Report

Quoted By: >>77851931 >>77852102

>>77851791
Unironically used to work competently before the booming blade nerf to not work with twinned metamagic. Thanks, wieners of the coast

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:51:23 No.77851893 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
when will wotc just bite the bullet and give all dragonborn canon tails

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:53:38 No.77851931 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851818
why is crawford so retarded

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:54:30 No.77851946 Report

Quoted By: >>77852009 >>77852100

What are the rules for character creation at your table? Any books you want? Only specific books? PHB +1?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:56:37 No.77851981 Report

Quoted By: >>77852053

>paladin just broke his oath
holy shit I didn't think the DM had the nuts for it

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 01:58:42 No.77852009 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851946
GM limited races & changed them a bit, everyone gets a feat, and we started at level 5.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:00:23 No.77852038 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851125
The only thing they're really any better at is burst damage in the form of Action Surge. Beyond Action Surge, they have, what? Nothing?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:01:27 No.77852053 Report

Quoted By: >>77852181

>>77851981
Oh no the paladin is about to evolve to a stronger subclass that lets him do even more damage!!
or is this a 'I forced the paladin to break his oath he had no choice haha sucks to be you' paladin moment? Because that's not really breaking oath.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:04:44 No.77852100 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851946
No Lucky feat and nothing with an inherent flying speed at level 1. If it's at a con or otherwise for strangers, PHB+1.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:04:53 No.77852102 Report

Quoted By: >>77852138

>>77851818
>used to work competently
>had to dip into paladin
>basically a bladesinger but with no AC
>quicken, twinned, twinned for 2 attacks on 2 targets for 3 sorcery points. 2d8 of booming blade damage, 2d8 of weapon damage, then modifier. Literally 4d8 + mod of damage to 2 targets for 3 sorc. points, literally just cast fireball

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:07:55 No.77852138 Report

Quoted By: >>77852550

>>77852102
No, it worked without having to dip at all. Although if you dipped paladin you were a classic broken sorcadin.

>literally just cast fireball
I'd rather do 2d8+2d4+2xdex for once sorcery point instead of spending a 3rd level slot, thank you very much.

>basically a bladesinger but with no AC
More damage. Much more damage in fact.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:10:55 No.77852181 Report

Quoted By: >>77852249 >>77852451

>>77852053
the redemption paladin attacked a surrendering enemy of his own volition
Its unclear if he just stopped a smite from the paladin or revoked his subclass

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:12:25 No.77852207 Report

Quoted By: >>77852272 >>77852277 >>77852318 >>77852447 >>77853749

One of my players thinks their character is lawful evil JUST because they are playing a conservative cleric. How can I call him out for being retarded without being called a alt right nazi bigot sandwich? Maybe we should just get rid of alignment

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:14:01 No.77852236 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
will he still be able to concentrate on his spells if I'm tongue fucking his ass?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:14:32 No.77852249 Report

Quoted By: >>77852377

>>77852181
>"Wisdom. Your heart and mind must stay clear, for eventually you will be forced to admit defeat. While every creature can be redeemed, some are so far along the path of evil that you have no choice but to end their lives for the greater good. Any such action must be carefully weighed and the consequences fully understood, but once you have made the decision, follow through with it knowing your path is just."
Could have decided that the man was too far steeped in evil.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:15:39 No.77852272 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852207
Unless they're doing things that are objectively evil, hit them with a alignment change... Or just tell them they're being a faggot.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:15:53 No.77852277 Report

Quoted By: >>77852340

>>77852207
Alignment in dnd is based upon medieval values, so a soldier chopping off a person's hand for stealing bread to feed his family is considered a "lawful good" action.
alignment is not based on what we, the player perceive as right and good it is based upon the archaic mediaval morality of questionable gods

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:18:47 No.77852318 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852207
Anon, if they cant tell the difference between conservative and evil then its too late for them. I think it'd be funny to see if you could red pill him by having him RP a conservative interact with wholesome conservative families and communities

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:19:49 No.77852340 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852277
Im pretty sure even in that sense, the head chopping is just lawful neutral.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1595198315799.png, 223KiB, 597x559

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:21:27 No.77852370 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
>"I cast booming blade" the character

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:21:58 No.77852376 Report

Quoted By: >>77852462

Would creatures like Devas that are inherently magical but aren't given any spellslots conceivably be able to use spell scrolls?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:22:11 No.77852377 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852249
tried that argument but DM said no
also it was really unclear, they believed we were sheltering a bad guy

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:25:55 No.77852447 Report

Quoted By: >>77853612

>>77852207
Alignment is mostly based on the intent behind a character's actions, so even if his acts are lawful good, if his character has selfish reasons for them he can justify being lawful evil.

Feel free to lavish them with praise for being such a good person, while unwitting to their true intent.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:26:00 No.77852451 Report

Quoted By: >>77852474

>>77852181
Hard to judge from just that alone, though actually smiting a surrendering enemy draws suspicion

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:26:19 No.77852462 Report

Quoted By: >>77852572

>>77852376
Yes, but the scroll must be of the correct type, divine or arcane. Figuring out which one it is for Devas specifically is tricky. The initial gut feeling says divine, but the fact that their spells are innate and that they use charisma tells me its more sorcerous in nature.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:27:11 No.77852474 Report

Quoted By: >>77853731

>>77852451
I think he just stopped a smite as a warning to the paladin
the original post was my initial reaction

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:28:33 No.77852495 Report

Quoted By: >>77852525 >>77852534

>>77850178
>those hips
are we sure this isn't a girl dragon?

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 6b617665a00b34f4ac22b75e59c71c70.png, 353KiB, 889x779

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:29:35 No.77852511 Report

Quoted By: >>77852545

>>77850259
This will never not annoy me. So many people assume dragonborns have tails.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:30:14 No.77852525 Report

Quoted By: >>77852544

>>77852495
Of course its a female, anon.
It just doesnt have breasts because its a fucking reptile.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:31:20 No.77852534 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852495
it's just a femboy bro

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:32:06 No.77852544 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852525
dragons in dnd are warmblooded

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:32:09 No.77852545 Report

Quoted By: >>77852563 >>77852586 >>77852590

>>77850259
>>77852511
Fuck all of you. Dragonborn deserve tails.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:32:40 No.77852550 Report

Quoted By: >>77852617 >>77852726

>>77852138
Why are you using a dagger, wouldn't you start mountain dwarf for medium armor + better weapon proficiency?

But alright, assuming +4 dex, you'd be at like 16 AC, 21 with shield spell.
2d8 + 2d4 + 8 at level 5, 22 DPR
4d8 + 2d4 + 10 at level 11, (Dex increase) 33 DPR
8d8 + 2d4 + 10 at level 17, 51 DPR.

You could start adding in concentration spells for damage, like SB would could be used with BB, but you'd have no method of not breaking concentration (and concentration spells are where all your damage and control is coming from). Meanwhile the Bladesinger gets +5 to CON saves and +5 to AC. At level 6, if both the bladesinger and quicken-sorc are using shadowblade as their concentration spell, it's
8d8 + 8 for sorc
7d8 + 1d6 + 8 for bladesinger

Sorc uses 1 sorc point normally, 3 for two targets. If there's two targets, the sorc can deal 43 DPR to both. Bladesinger only has 3 uses of bladesong, so those are the only times they can be in melee safely. Sorc probably breaks shadowblade concentration after 1 round and their damage is immediately halved

Imo, I'm not gonna lie, both are pretty shit as martials.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:33:25 No.77852563 Report

Quoted By: >>77852642

>>77852545
Dragonborn are lame as PCs.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:33:55 No.77852572 Report

Quoted By: >>77852616

>>77852462
Paladins use divine power, and their spells are charisma based

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:34:37 No.77852586 Report

Quoted By: >>77852642

>>77852545
Hey, there's a published option for dragonborn with tails.

Just use critical role content.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:34:45 No.77852590 Report

Quoted By: >>77852666

>>77852545
You will never twin Dragon's Breath.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1607296339615.jpg, 34KiB, 640x611

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:35:44 No.77852615 Report

Quoted By:

>>77851257
I used my echo to avoid traps and get past a 200 foot long trap maze the DM had set up. I got kicked from the group the next session for killing a rat that turned out to be a person.

It was a shitty game. The DM did not like DND but ran it anyways and filled it with shitty homebrew. Like monsters having 200 hp when we were level 4. And then wouldn't play in one offs I ran for the group.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:35:52 No.77852616 Report

Quoted By: >>77852636

>>77852572
Thats true, I didnt think of that.
I still stand with my opinion that Deva's use arcane, as it specifically says their magic is innate, while we all know that paladins receive their power from JESUS.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:35:52 No.77852617 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852550
Actually, 14** AC because sorcerers don't get armor proficiency. But I guess they could use mage armor to start with 17 AC.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:36:58 No.77852636 Report

Quoted By: >>77852658

>>77852616
Paladins get power from their conviction in their oath, not from a higher power like clerics do.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:37:12 No.77852642 Report

Quoted By: >>77852663

>>77852563
Maybe you've only ever played with lame players.
>>77852586
Dont you put that gay CR shit on me.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:38:10 No.77852656 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
he looks friendly :3c

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:38:26 No.77852658 Report

Quoted By: >>77852676

>>77852636
Same thing

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:38:41 No.77852663 Report

Quoted By: >>77852695 >>77852718 >>77852749 >>77852763

>>77852642
Lizardfolk are better, what niche do dragonborn fit? Gnomes are also worthless.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:38:51 No.77852666 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852590
This hurt me more than any sentence I've ever read on this website

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:39:26 No.77852676 Report

Quoted By: >>77852710 >>77852719

>>77852658
In Eberron, maybe. In general, clerics get their powers as a gift from their deities. Paladins get their powers from believing in their manifest destiny.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:40:22 No.77852695 Report

Quoted By: >>77852731

>>77852663
I would like to agree on the lizardfolk, but I dont want to be an alien-minded unempathetic cannibal.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:41:22 No.77852710 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852676
Same thing.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:42:00 No.77852718 Report

Quoted By: >>77852731 >>77852756

>>77852663
>what niche do dragonborn fit
Civilised scalies. Lizardfolk are reptile people, barely able to function in society at large due to an alien view of the world. Dragonborn are just humans with scales.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:42:01 No.77852719 Report

Quoted By: >>77852746 >>77852854

>>77852676
Can't they still have their powers given to them like they did in previous editions?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:42:53 No.77852726 Report

Quoted By: >>77853140

>>77852550
This was pre-tasha's. And you're forgetting a crucial detail for the build- divine sorcerers have access to spirit guardians, which works *really* well with booming blade. Spiritual weapon, mirror image, blink- lots of great ways to boost damage and defenses appropriately. Although I suppose shadow blade works at certain levels too.

>you'd have no method of not breaking concentration
Sorcerers have proficiency in constitution saving throws, and divine sorcs get a once per long rest bonus to saves. Definitely grab warcaster too.

>Sorc uses 1 sorc point normally, 3 for two targets.
I don't follow- it's 3 only if you quicken.

As for race, I left it open because there are multiple good options- goblins for example can easily disengage to get the rider damage and have boosts to dexterity and con. Variant humans always work well, and half elves start with a 16 or higher in multiple stats.

Bladesingers have higher AC, but they don't benefit from having access to Spirit guardians, spiritual weapon, at the time they didn't get the bonus damage from cantrips, their AC doesn't work if you want to use another kind of weapon that isn't finesse (which I'd do on the sorc if I were doing the mountain dwarf version) and can't use quicken to use big spells while they are twinning booming blade either.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:43:23 No.77852731 Report

Quoted By: >>77852773

>>77852695
>>77852718
Which is a niche that isn't needed.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:44:23 No.77852746 Report

Quoted By: >>77852854

>>77852719
Absolutely they can, this is just the default assumption in the PHB.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:44:23 No.77852747 Report

Quoted By: >>77852777 >>77852837

Why are lizardfolk one of the mechanically better designed races? They get a bunch of cool mechanics that are thematically appropriate to boot but it never really strays into "Woah this is completely broken" territory. Why did WotC get it right here but made so many other races samey or mechanically underwhelming?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:44:32 No.77852749 Report

Quoted By: >>77852770

>>77852663
Gnomes are cool.. in pathfinder.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace pef_3515.jpg, 104KiB, 1024x1024

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:44:46 No.77852753 Report

Quoted By: >>77852777

Does Two Weapon Fighting synergize with Echo Knight at all? Cause I'm kinda torn on my weapon choice, on one hand I want to go ham with two axes. But on the other hand I would like to describe my great axe as a bardiche as I throw some fat swings out

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:45:02 No.77852756 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852718
Real shit. Dragonborn in my setting are just humans born with a little too much dragon from their draconic bloodline.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:45:19 No.77852763 Report

Quoted By: >>77852778

>>77852663
>I wanna play a HALF-DRAGON!!
>Yes Dragon's Breath can be twinned shut up stop reading the rules
that niche

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:45:39 No.77852770 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852749
I like eberron gnomes too but yeah, the PF ones with the bleaching are actually interesting.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:46:03 No.77852773 Report

Quoted By: >>77852787

>>77852731
Which niche? Alien savages or normal people?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:46:12 No.77852777 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852747
They did it right with Variant Human, which were present right from the beginning.

>>77852753
No, you'd be constrained by your bonus action if you ever want to teleport to your echo/make a new one. Definitely reflavor.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:46:13 No.77852778 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852763
Ah.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:47:20 No.77852787 Report

Quoted By: >>77852816 >>77852839

>>77852773
Normal people. You have a plethora of normal people races. Dragonborn are lame. It's ok to like lame things, I know I do.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:49:06 No.77852816 Report

Quoted By: >>77852839 >>77852851 >>77852862

>>77852787
Nah, I cannot vibe with having to be a savage who has to be persuaded not to eat my friend's corpses.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:50:10 No.77852837 Report

Quoted By: >>77852871

>>77852747
And Bugbears too honestly. Say what you want about the people bugbear attracts or the logistics of a PC being a monstrous goblinoid, by the extra reach and ambush abilities are unique things that can add a fair to be a character mechanically. How did the company that made these two races also make genasi?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:50:23 No.77852839 Report

Quoted By: >>77852857 >>77852859 >>77852934

>>77852787
Well, with Tasha's changes to stat bonuses there is even less reason to ever play a Dragonborn. Their features have to be the least useful ones in 5th edition, and now that everyone else can get the right stats to play a Paladin, they are suddenly F tier in that as well.

>>77852816
You can play a lizardfolk that's already been persuaded on his adventures before the campaign to skip that part.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:51:18 No.77852851 Report

Quoted By: >>77852915

>>77852816
Bro just eat your enemies' corpses instead

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:51:33 No.77852854 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852719
>>77852746
I know I still use the idea 4e introduced of power, once granted, not being possible to take back.

So clerics and paladins, the true ones with divine magic, are rare, as gods are cautious about who they give the gift of divine magic to. Because once you give someone that ability, it can't be taken back if they turn on you.

Also works well with warlocks

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:51:39 No.77852856 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
>that smug face
I want to smash his face with a mallet until it caves in

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:51:38 No.77852857 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852839
>lizardfolk that's already been persuaded on his adventures before the campaign to skip that part.
Ya, it is just an option for personality traits. you don't have to pick it. If you don't want to play as an "eat everything scavenger", don't.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:51:50 No.77852859 Report

Quoted By: >>77852892 >>77852919 >>77853003

>>77852839
Nope. Has got to be fully civilized, not even a part of his biology.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:51:57 No.77852862 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852816
It's a waste of good meat

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:52:35 No.77852871 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852837
4e genasi were cool

Overpowered, but cool.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace download (1).jpg, 10KiB, 259x194

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:53:37 No.77852892 Report

Quoted By: >>77852946 >>77852968

>>77852859
Biologically vegan lizard people? That is the only kind of lizard people for you? Just be an iguanafolk. They are herbavores.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:54:05 No.77852898 Report

Quoted By: >>77852942 >>77853017

>>77850118
why did they remove this class

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace flesh_communion-640x433.jpg, 41KiB, 640x433

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:55:03 No.77852915 Report

Quoted By: >>77853115

>>77852851
>tfw no features for eating corpses

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:55:17 No.77852919 Report

Quoted By: >>77852992

>>77852859
Why are you playing something that isn't a human then?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:56:07 No.77852934 Report

Quoted By: >>77852978

>>77852839
A lizardfolk who plays the UA Dragon Monk or just a caster with access to Dragon's Breath unironically makes a better Dragonborn. You get the breath by more frequently, natural armour, a natural weapon with a decent use, swim speed if you want to play as a descendant of one of the aquatic dragon types, actual darkvision and one or two other features. The only thing you don't have is the elemental resistance

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:56:30 No.77852942 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852898
They had good taste

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:56:45 No.77852946 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852892
Lizardpeople have predominantly iguana-like traits anyways
Head frills, aquatic/marine adaptations, cheeks, and just the general phyiscal structure of their heads and tails resemble iguanas moreso than any other lizard

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:57:59 No.77852968 Report

Quoted By: >>77853003

>>77852892
Who said anything about vegan?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:58:28 No.77852978 Report

Quoted By: >>77853025

>>77852934
>swim speed
VGM lizardfolk already have a swim speed of 30 ft.

But the rest of it sounds fun.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:59:01 No.77852992 Report

Quoted By: >>77853047

>>77852919
Because not all non humans are uncivilized cannibals?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 02:59:40 No.77853003 Report

Quoted By: >>77853028

>>77852968
>>77852859
>not even a part of his biology

Eating meat implies the ability to eat meat that talked back.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:00:47 No.77853017 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852898
it was too based for 5e

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:01:08 No.77853025 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852978
>VGM lizardfolk already have a swim speed of 30 ft
I know. I was saying they have swim speed if they want to RP as related to Bronze/Blue dragons

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:01:12 No.77853028 Report

Quoted By: >>77853087

>>77853003
Yeah, but most meat eating people still feel disgust at eating others of their own kind.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:01:56 No.77853039 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
I want to pet the scale mane on his neck

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:02:18 No.77853047 Report

Quoted By: >>77853079 >>77853112 >>77853146

>>77852992
If it's not a human, it's uncivilized. You can get the cannibal out of a lizardfolk easy anyhow.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1614179586097.png, 4MiB, 3500x2321

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:03:59 No.77853079 Report

Quoted By: >>77853125 >>77853157

>>77853047
>If it's not a human, it's uncivilized.
What about half-elfs, half-orcs, and the like? Are they foederati in this Human Imperium?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:04:16 No.77853087 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853028
Most species run the risk of getting very sick if they eat their own kind. This is where most prion diseases come from.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 16276198.png, 599KiB, 437x788

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:04:56 No.77853099 Report

Quoted By: >>77853154 >>77853155 >>77853209 >>77853225 >>77854612

So, reptiles: while they don't have boobs and fall victim to "worldbuilding" retardation, they DO have pectoral muscles which means I can make overly muscular dragonborn with huge sexualized pecs and biceps while getting significantly less criticized than booba lizards, no?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:05:49 No.77853112 Report

Quoted By: >>77853157

>>77853047
Ah so all those dwarven and elven civilizations dont count.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 255e36b9ac9ea84ab14166c470a70fb8.jpg, 79KiB, 1200x551

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:05:53 No.77853113 Report

Quoted By: >>77853248

Lizardfolks are supposed to be Crocodilefolks.

You can easily brew up other types of lizards/reptiles/whatever by switching some abilities around.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 24229375.jpg, 96KiB, 720x450

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:05:58 No.77853115 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852915
Talk to your DM, bro.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:06:08 No.77853118 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
*strangles him with his own scarf and throws him into the furfag incinerator*

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:06:36 No.77853125 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853079
>half-orcs
I think many half orcs live alongside normal orcs as if they were full blooded. So while you wouldn't be entirely correct calling them uncivilised, you're not exactly wrong to do so either

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:07:26 No.77853140 Report

Quoted By: >>77853339 >>77853564

>>77852726
>spirit guardians
Yeah, spirit guardians is really strong. I think going by pure DPS, shadowblade is significantly stronger than it on twin-sorc, though. As 2x as much damage on failed saves, 4x on successful saves. But I think spiritual guardians hits everything, while you can only smack one (or two) things with shadowblade.
>proficiency in constitution saving throws. warcaster
Proficiency in con saves starts out really shitty, then gets better as the game goes on. With +5 from proficiency (assuming +0 con) and advantage, it'd be pretty good odds. I don't think it'd be good as a bladesinger with resilient (CON) (also +0 con), though, +10 with no advantage. (Someone please do the math). But I guess they'd be pretty equal in that regard late game. The sorc would get hit a lot more, though, due to their significantly lower AC.
>I don't follow- it's 3 only if you quicken.
Isn't it 1 to quicken the cantrip so you can it as a bonus action, then 2 to twin both? If you only twin it, you have to attack two separate targets.

True, spiritual weapon is honestly broken. But, it uses your bonus action to attack. So both spirit guardians and spiritual weapons don't really come into play unless you don't intend to use metamagic at all (which is your biggest DPS). At that point, all you'd be doing is a single twinned booming blade.
>AC doesn't work if you want to use another kind of weapon that isn't finesse
True, they get a lot more options.
>can't use quicken to use big spells while they are twinning booming blade either
True, if the bladesinger casts a big spell it means they'll have to forego booming blade. But they can still attack with mainhand + offhand.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1pj7pimo9hi61.jpg, 431KiB, 1080x1080

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:07:37 No.77853146 Report

Quoted By: >>77853241

>>77853047

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1607365040497.webm, 3MiB, 400x926

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:08:06 No.77853154 Report

Quoted By: >>77854612

>>77853099
No. Make wide-hipped slinky lizard girls or riot.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:08:10 No.77853155 Report

Quoted By: >>77853162

>>77853099
That is correct. Bonus points if they've got an extra set of arms because those will need their own set of pecs too.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:08:14 No.77853157 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853079
Bastards, they have unsavory instincts to them from their heritage.

>>77853112
Yes

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:08:38 No.77853162 Report

Quoted By: >>77853190

>>77853155
Crios?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:09:19 No.77853177 Report

Quoted By: >>77853196

>>77850178
what CON does he have to have that kind of muscle definition

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:10:07 No.77853190 Report

Quoted By: >>77853205

>>77853162
Que?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:10:20 No.77853196 Report

Quoted By: >>77853210 >>77853231 >>77853251

>>77853177
Uh, str is your definition. Con is just mass.

A character with 8 strength and 14 con is a fat bastard absorbing blows into their layers of blubber.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:10:47 No.77853205 Report

Quoted By: >>77853223

>>77853190
Nada, just a guy that REALLY likes 4 arms or more on fantasy reptiles.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:11:03 No.77853209 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853099
>getting significantly less criticized
People don't care about the logistics, you'll get called a scalie either way and you'll only increase the heckling if you cope your way through it

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:11:11 No.77853210 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853196
stats don't need to have visual cues, but I like it.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:11:44 No.77853223 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853205
Guess I havent lurked enough to know him.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:12:03 No.77853225 Report

Quoted By: >>77854612

>>77853099
Fucking die in a fire.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:12:16 No.77853231 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853196
>All monks, wizards, sorcerers, Dex Fighters and rogues are fat
Interesting

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:12:45 No.77853241 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853146
>He doesn't know about rat elves
Poor, deluded fool.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:13:06 No.77853248 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853113
Based.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:13:39 No.77853251 Report

Quoted By: >>77853260 >>77853307

>>77853196
Nah a fat bastard will bleed like a pig.
Constitution is a measure of your health.
High con makes for beautiful people.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:14:25 No.77853260 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853251
20 str 16 con

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:18:37 No.77853307 Report

Quoted By: >>77853355

>>77853251
High con low strength is a reedy fucker. The kind of hard-headed bastard who you can pound on all day but despite weighing less than a twig he just will not stay down.

High con high strength is a bulky bastard. Someone with the core mass the be able to consistently withstand the strain he's putting on himself through heavy lifting and powerful swings.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:20:59 No.77853339 Report

Quoted By: >>77853531

>>77853140
Spirit guardians is AOE, and it gives a movement penalty as well meaning you're also applying some control by standing on the frontlines, and if you have ways to disengage (such as a party member having cast a fog cloud or you being a goblin or the like) or are using the spell sniper meme on whips (proficiency not included in the standard sorc package) you can force them to get booming blade damage as well. Much better scaling than shadow blade too.

>Proficiency in con saves starts out really shitty, then gets better as the game goes on.
It starts out shitty at the tiers of play where you don't really need it as much.
I always assume 16 Con on this build, the hit points are crucial: at level 5 you'd have +6 to your con saves with advantage. Level 20 it's +9 with advantage. For the bladesinger with 16 con (more likely to be 14 because they need dexterity and int a lot more-so reduce either their AC or Con save by 1 as I'll hereafter only mention the max values possible), they'd have +6 with advantage at level 5 as well (although bladesingers are less likely to grab warcaster, as they need to scale their int). The sorcerer would get Favored by the gods, an extra 2d4 (+5 on average) every short/long rest to their saves which is stellar. The bladesinger with warcaster would have 3 more armor class than our sorcerer here, admittedly.
At level 20, the bladesinger has, assuming 20 int, 5 more AC and +8 to their con save (again assuming 16 con).

>Isn't it 1 to quicken the cantrip so you can it as a bonus action, then 2 to twin both? If you only twin it, you have to attack two separate targets.
Right, twinning two targets is normally the plan here.

>So both spirit guardians and spiritual weapons don't really come into play
They do? Spirit guardians doesn't take your action, and neither does spiritual weapon. So you'd be using twinned booming blades with your action. You're mentioning that it is 'all you'd be doing', but it's a lot of damage.

>cont

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:21:50 No.77853353 Report

Quoted By: >>77853374 >>77853441

+2 DEX ASI or Sharpshooter for mainly ranged level 4 Gloom Stalker Ranger?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:21:54 No.77853355 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853307
>High con low strength is a reedy fucker. The kind of hard-headed bastard who you can pound on all day but despite weighing less than a twig he just will not stay down.
So Steve Rogers befpre he took the super serum.
>High con high strength is a bulky bastard. Someone with the core mass the be able to consistently withstand the strain he's putting on himself through heavy lifting and powerful swings.
Steve Rogers after the super serum

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:22:32 No.77853362 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
is this the full power of 20 CHA?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:23:06 No.77853374 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853353
Sharpshooter 100%. Get CBE before you get more dex too. Doesn't matter if you're at 16 until level 12, it's worth more. Unless you're just not using a hand crossbow which is totally legit.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:25:25 No.77853406 Report

Quoted By: >>77853427 >>77853489 >>77853541

>Play Mountain Dwarf Dragon sorcerer
>Have the same hp as the fighter
You'll be One set of medium or heavy armour away from flexing on anyone trying to target the "squishy" sorcerer. Or alternatively pump Dex, use Tasha's (Inb4 >Tasha's) to pick up a rapier and go full Dex Gish with no multiclassing and medium armour tier AC

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:26:03 No.77853416 Report

Quoted By:

Could a rune knight use giant's might to enlarge himself then cum a truckload over his wife? Would the seed be enlarged or would there just be more of it?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:26:19 No.77853422 Report

Quoted By:

Alright guys, I need a system to decide whether or not woman will be dropping their panties at first sight of a PC. It is your attractiveness score, and it is determined by adding your CON mod and CHA mod +10. It works like a normal ability score, except you only use it to charm and FUCK.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:26:49 No.77853427 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853406
Still got no fuckin spells, matey. Just play clockwork soul.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace vomitgoose.jpg, 51KiB, 480x270

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:27:38 No.77853441 Report

Quoted By: >>77853484 >>77854340

>>77853353
>Gloom stalker
I'm surprised you're not multiclassing instead.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:29:54 No.77853468 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850738
Because you have a horrible case of desensitized coombrain

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:30:46 No.77853484 Report

Quoted By: >>77853537 >>77853570 >>77854340

>>77853441
>Player in my game wanted to play gloomstalker with dual crossbows
>They knew they'd need CBE to make it work (I know it doesn't actually work but I don't give a shit, it's the same as them using a single crossbow but both hands are occupied and it's objectively slightly worse but makes them happy)
>Encourage them to take sharpshooter as well

Why do DMs ban powerful options? It just gives more opportunity to make hard fights against threats above their actual level.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:31:14 No.77853489 Report

Quoted By: >>77853632

>>77853406
You mean Hill Dwarf, which doesn't get the armor proficiency.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:34:28 No.77853528 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
profile?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:34:31 No.77853531 Report

Quoted By: >>77853689

>>77853339
>spell sniper meme
Ohh, I see what you mean. Disengage + having a higher range, then you can constantly force them to take booming blade damage or they can't do shit. That is pretty good.
>bladesinger with 16 con
Bladesinger would probably more likely have lower CON, but grab the resilient feat. Don't sorcs need CHA like bladesingers require INT? Yeah, favored by the gods is very strong. I'm assuming more like +5 from INT, +6 from proficiency, +1 (or +2) from CON and no advantage at level 20. The bladesinger needs: 20 INT, 20 Dex, resilient (CON) while the sorc. needs 20 DEX, 20 CHA, warcaster. If the sorc. doesn't require CHA, it's an entirely different story, though.
>They do?
What I mean is, they don't if you're going for the most optimal damage route to single target. Which is going to be concentrating on shadowblade, quickening booming blade, then using booming blade twice.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:35:01 No.77853537 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853484
2 reasons, one justified, one not.

The justified reason is that one player optimizing hard can make the rest of the party feel weak or unnecessary, leading to decreased investment from them.

The unjustified reason is that some DMs feel like their perceived power at the table is threatened if PC are too powerful

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:35:22 No.77853541 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853406
Take the tough feat just for the meme.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:37:05 No.77853564 Report

Quoted By: >>77853982

>>77853140
>But they can still attack with mainhand + offhand.
Not really an advantage, as you're lowering the damage die of your main weapon to do so- rapier versus two shortswords ends up with the two weapon fighter dealing 1.5 extra damage per round.. IF he dedicates his bonus action for this.

Now, let me do the math for a level 5-6 divine soul sorc going all out. Spirit guardians is 3d8 (save for half) per turn (aoe), spiritual weapon is 1d8+3, twinned booming blade is 2d8+2d4+6 (+4d8 from rider, but we can't predict that). This comes to a total of 6d8 (save for half) + 3d8+2d4+9 damage, which would be 54,5 damage on average assuming everything hits but not accounting for the booming blade rider. If we used shadow blade as our concentration spell instead (easier to math), it'd be 49,5 damage on average. We aren't quickening here because quicken is inefficient on our resources unless it's for big spells- unlike the cleric we can quicken spirit guardians and still attack just fine turn 1. If there is only one target to wack, your damage and strategy changes considerably of course, but if you wanted single target damage there were other methods.

A bladesinger at level 6 does 7d8+(2d8 rider)+6 with shadow blade, or 37,5. Now, if you use two weapon fighting with this, you add 3.5 damage on average at best, putting you to 40.5. Of course, this is with buffed bladesinger with the old shadow blade interaction, so kind of a white room scenario as this has never been possible. Now, for the bladesinger this is cheaper in terms of 2nd level slots and no use of sorcery points, but remember that bladesong is tied to prof mod uses per long rest (3 in this case).

>Bladesinger would probably more likely have lower CON, but grab the resilient feat.
They could, but then they are forgoing warcaster.

>Don't sorcs need CHA like bladesingers require INT?
Bladesingers need their int a lot more than you need your charisma- their AC, con, preparations, save dc all scale off of it.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:37:19 No.77853570 Report

Quoted By: >>77853617

>>77853484
If other players are playing any of the 90% of character concepts that involve dealing damage, it's perfectly fair to police overoptimized builds so that one person isn't doing 3x the damage of someone else simply because they took CBESS or did a shepherd druid meme or whatever. If everyone else is also optimized then what the hell, allow it.

However, Gloom Stalker is just a really fucking shitty design and the people who play it are just as bad.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:40:20 No.77853612 Report

Quoted By: >>77853708

>>77852447
>unwitting to their true intent
That doesn’t sound like the kind of person that would be content to remain quiet about how “tOtALly EVIL my CoNseRVatIvE PC is you guise!!!1!”
I don’t think feigned ignorance is a viable strategy.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:40:44 No.77853617 Report

Quoted By: >>77853670

>>77853570
Actually I thought I was keeping them in line with the rest of the party who are more experienced or have better classes with this but it might backfire. I'm coming to realize that the sorc player I thought was a minmaxer might actually be retarded.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:41:55 No.77853632 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853489
You get free mage armour as draconic, hence the "pump dex". Hell even if you leave it at 14 with point buy you'll start on par with a Dex fighter/rogue in studded leather with the same/more hp, as a full caster who can sit back and sling spells if they so wish

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:42:14 No.77853638 Report

Quoted By: >>77853655 >>77853665 >>77853695 >>77853707

As a life cleric, should I put a level into druid? Is this kind of generally the expected path? First time playing cleric and 1 of 2 healers in the group of 5.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:43:20 No.77853655 Report

Quoted By: >>77853774

>>77853638
>Is this kind of generally the expected path?
Not really, you don't need it

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:43:43 No.77853665 Report

Quoted By: >>77853774

>>77853638
Ask your DM if they will abide goodberry nonsense. That's the only real answer. Otherwise your channel divinity is more than enough healing for the average group.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:44:00 No.77853670 Report

Quoted By: >>77853703

>>77853617
If he's playing sorc expecting to do cool damage or whatever then yes, all you've done is made a monster that will shit all over said sorc while telling the party to turn off all their lights so he can get that sweet, sweet automatic invisibility at level 3

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:44:59 No.77853689 Report

Quoted By: >>77854191

>>77853531
>What I mean is, they don't if you're going for the most optimal damage route to single target. Which is going to be concentrating on shadowblade, quickening booming blade, then using booming blade twice.
Ah, I find that much too expensive. The build works well, but it isn't a single target damage build necessarily. Against single targets I'd rather transition into spellcasting normally.

To expand on the constitution debacle, let's take a bladesinger and give him both resilient con and warcaster at level 8. He'd have 16 con, proficiency, int and advantage- that's +9 with advantage which is very good. They would however only have 16 dex, which puts them at 3 more AC than the sorc.
In the meantime the level 8 sorc only has +6 with advantage on their con save and 3 less AC.. but a whole feat they can spend- they could get the aforementioned spell sniper (force enemies to take rider damage and if your allies or even you yourself have any forced movement capabilities, also the spirit guardian damage again). Or get the lucky feat. If you were a light armor race, this feat could even be moderately armored, which would put your armor class at 19- higher than the bladesinger at this point. And the biggest benefit- since you're a sorcerer you can still twin polymorph, which is absolutely ridiculous at these levels, or upcast spirit guardians for a ton of aoe damage.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:45:24 No.77853695 Report

Quoted By: >>77853774

>>77853638
No, the goodberry cheese is shitty and you don't need it anyway. It makes you look like a fucktard to try to bring that to a real table.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:45:48 No.77853703 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853670
Nah, it's more like it's a former wizard player that doesn't understand that they don't have enough spells known to fuck around with utility.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:45:59 No.77853707 Report

Quoted By: >>77853774

>>77853638
Healing isn't like you think it is.
Make sure everyone has a healing potion on them just in case they need to get someone up from downed and play normally, stop messing around with fucking meme multiclasses. Remember that healing is usually an emergency action in-combat and out of combat it's used usually if you have spare resources or if you can't short rest/someone used all their hitdice already.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:46:02 No.77853708 Report

Quoted By: >>77853824

>>77853612
The rest of the world will just treat them like a chuuni tsundere with a heart of gold.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:47:21 No.77853731 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852474
update
after the session he said they would speak about whats going to happen next

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:48:34 No.77853749 Report

Quoted By:

>>77852207
They're right, anon.
Alignment is based entirely off of what the character thinks they are, nothing more and nothing less. Alignment is no longer a mechanic in 5e and exists solely as a label. You might as well tell the player "No you can't name your character that! That name is too unrealistic!"

There are specific creature types that have objective alignments (Fiends and Celestials mostly) but as with everything else the MM/DMG completely betrays all these rules and directly contradicts the PHB for the one hundreth time because they were written by a drunk fucktard.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:49:55 No.77853774 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853655
>>77853665
>>77853695
>>77853707
Thanks, boys.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:52:38 No.77853824 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853708
Oh right NPCs obviously can be oblivious. That’d be the best treatment for that kind of player.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:52:41 No.77853825 Report

Quoted By: >>77853865 >>77853891 >>77853980 >>77853997

>Want to see opinions and experiences of the infiltrator mode of armourer artificer
>Everything online from builds to opinions to experience playing it only talks about the temp hp and Guardian Mode
Oh...

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:53:03 No.77853830 Report

Quoted By:

And remember folks
you can't use Healing Word if you can't see your target.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:54:53 No.77853861 Report

Quoted By: >>77853870 >>77853904

I really wish there was more to do with an off hand outside of TWF/Shield/Focus

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:55:11 No.77853865 Report

Quoted By: >>77854024

>>77853825
Infiltrator is basically pray that your DM gives you mithral armor or otherwise it's relegated to a genuinely useful but not often used feature in that you can wear it to a social function.

Assume guardian is the default but be happy you can change it on a short rest for free.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:55:44 No.77853870 Report

Quoted By: >>77854037

>>77853861
Like what? What else would there be?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:56:05 No.77853879 Report

Quoted By: >>77853936

I'm running Princes of the Apocalypse in Eberron. Should I split the various connected dungeons and spread them to different locations? How does the higher level of technology effect the storyline? Any game-breaking player strategies I should look out for?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:56:37 No.77853891 Report

Quoted By: >>77853980 >>77854024

>>77853825
>Want to see opinions and experiences of the useless mode of the AC stacking meme subclass of the AC stacking meme class
>Everything online from builds to opinions to experience playing it only talks about stacking health on your AC stacking meme

gee, sherlock! This is a tough one.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:57:23 No.77853904 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853861
There is also using a magical or mundane item.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 03:59:28 No.77853936 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853879
The thing I worry about most in Eberron is overwhelming players with detail about different states to the point it goes in one ear and out the other. To that end I'd have only one or maybe two in actual nations hold a temple and the others in Q'barra, the shadow marches or the mournland or something. Or if you need them to go to Thrane or some shit, have it in a remote part where all they need to know is that it's religious country or whatever.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:01:57 No.77853980 Report

Quoted By: >>77854000

>>77853825
Strange, it's the better one of the two, mostly because it can at least apply sharpshooter while guardian mode does fuckall damage. Both are just sad compared to the battlesmith however.

>>77853891
The AC stacking meme doesn't even get shield like the other artificer subclasses do BIG WHOOP

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:02:03 No.77853982 Report

Quoted By: >>77854251

>>77853564
Yeah, mainhand + offhand attack is completely trivial unless shadowblade or Tenser's transformation is in play, then they can both be rather significant.
> let me do the math
I think adding in the rider is pretty unfair, my DM has never given me a booming blade proc. in my life. And another thing is that you're doing that's skewering the calculations--assuming two enemies right next by each other. I already agreed twin sorc. is better for multiple targets, though. With twinned you can literally double DPS.

Spirit Guardians is 3d8 AOE, but is halved pretty often early, esp. if you focus on dex/con. Spiritual Weapons uses your bonus action. Twinned Booming Blade is 1d8 + 1d4 + 3 to TWO targets if they happen to be next by each other. If you quicken to use booming blade twice, then you don't get the spiritual weapon add.

If it were single target and you used spirit guardians + spirit weapons instead of shadowblade + quicken, you'd be much less damage.

5d8 + 1d4 + 6 for around 31 DPR if 100% accuracy and the save was failed.
If you used quicken + 3rd slot shadowblade, you'd be getting 8d8 + 6 for 42 DPR.

A level 6 bladesinger does 7d8 + 1d6 + 6 for 40.5 on single target, as you've said, which is pretty close to the Sorc's single target.

>buffed bladesinger with the old shadow blade interaction
True, SB no longer works with BB. Hence why bladesingers moved to summon fey, animate objects, and tenser's transformation.
>forgoing warcaster
I think most bladesinger builds do, you have a high enough percentage of making the 10 DC con save early game, so you just grab resilient (CON) and ignore warcaster.
>Bladesingers need their int a lot more than you need your charisma
True. Bladesingers are also more focused on being a wizard, too. At higher levels, you're essentially a wizard that can get high AC + Con saves and can smack things with a sword once in a while. Makes the early game less boring, though.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:03:03 No.77853997 Report

Quoted By: >>77854025

>>77853825
Personally Infiltrator feels too much like “lol look at me guys I’m playing as iron man” and I’d rather punch stuff.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:03:20 No.77854000 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853980
But what it does get is an actual tanking ability. Who the fuck would target the Artficer otherwise

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:04:44 No.77854024 Report

Quoted By: >>77854402

>>77853891
>AC stacking
I don't get this. You get one (1) more AC than any other artificer. That's not exactly what I'd call stacking. But you don't get shield, unlike battlesmith and artillerist, so it can't even stack as high. Why is it the AC stacking subclass?
>>77853865
>it's relegated to a genuinely useful but not often used feature in that you can wear it to a social function.
But it doesn't have that feature unless your DM has granted you mitral. They dropped second skin so infiltrator plate armour is as visible and blatantly obvious as regular plate

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:04:54 No.77854025 Report

Quoted By: >>77854077 >>77854092

>>77853997
The entire Armorer class is that. It has a helmet that can retract or deploy as a bonus action. There's literally no purpose to that except to do the Iron Man thing.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:05:56 No.77854037 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853870
If I knew I wouldn't be wishing for it

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:06:30 No.77854046 Report

Quoted By:

Tell me about your starter villains!

My players are about to wrap up the first arc of the campaign in the next few sessions, and that's going to include facing down with the Paladin who's been chasing them. It's a pirate game, and they're being chased by "Tecartus, the Sea's Justice", a Vengeance paladin who's sworn an oath against Mutineers and Pirates(the players are both)

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:08:40 No.77854077 Report

Quoted By: >>77854142

>>77854025
I wish Artificer had a martial subclass that was just a regular fucking martial and not:
- steampunk beastmaster, or
- iron man nerd fantasy
Forge Adept looks fun, but thats not officially printed so idk

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:09:27 No.77854092 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854025
>Helmet doesn't confer some bonus like darkvision or providing breathable air
Missed opportunity. Not like the subclass couldn't benefit from extra features. Hell it's entire 9th level is "To compensate for the fact you can't benefit from any weapon/armour/focus magic items your DM might give you, we will now allow your to use your core class feature with all of your subclass instead of just part of it. Enjoy."

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:13:04 No.77854142 Report

Quoted By: >>77854208

>>77854077
>Forge Adept looks fun, but thats not officially printed so idk
Also basically thematically heir of dhakaan only.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:16:43 No.77854191 Report

Quoted By: >>77854258 >>77854682

>>77853689
Yeah, the AOE for the build seems extremely good at the cost of a lil' defenses. It's also not limited like bladesinger's bladesong, while with this build, metamagic on cantrips are very cheap.

>bladesinger and give him both resilient con and warcaster at level 8
I don't think any builds take both warcaster or resilient (CON), it's one or the other. Warcaster for early game if the campaign ends early, resilient for late game.

This discussion is messing me up a lil' bit cause I rolled for my bladesinger stats instead of point buy, haha. I got spoiled with starting with 18 INT, 16 CON, 18 DEX.

I'm assuming if it's point buy, both the sorc and wizard go

15/15/14 for both. Let's say both get +2 +2 (better for the sorc)
17/17/14
If the calculation is at level 8, the wizard would probably grab resilient (CON) + even out INT + dex.

The sorc would probably do 18 dex, 18 CON, 14 CHA, and warcaster.

That'd put the sorc at 4 less AC (assuming same armor and wizard bladesinging)
Sorc would have +7 to con saves and advantage.
Wizard would have +9 to con saves with NO advantage while bladesinging

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:17:35 No.77854208 Report

Quoted By: >>77854239

>>77854142
Just remove all the goblinoid language and it’s fine

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:19:04 No.77854239 Report

Quoted By: >>77854422

>>77854208
God, can you imagine playing maverick, though? It's like all the worst parts of being a half caster shining though.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:19:51 No.77854251 Report

Quoted By: >>77854412

>>77853982
>I think adding in the rider is pretty unfair
Which is why I haven't for my total damage numbers for either subclass. Although for the sorc it's much easier to accomplish.

>assuming two enemies right next by each other
Yep. You only go in if you can get value out of SG otherwise.

> If you quicken to use booming blade twice, then you don't get the spiritual weapon add.
Which you should never do- that's two sorcery points after all.

>Spirit Guardians is 3d8 AOE, but is halved pretty often early, esp. if you focus on dex/con.
Wasn't sure how much to reduce it by- and attacks also miss entirely pretty often too and I haven't calculated it for either build. Also, I hadn't factored in dex because that's the same attacking stat the bladesinger is using- we aren't focusing in it any more than they are, and bladesingers aren't getting more damage out of the int they are investing.

>I think most bladesinger builds do
I think it's good even for bladesingers, especially if you want to use offhand attacks or you can't cast shield and the like. Also, reaction booming blades are great as well. But yes, most bladesinger builds forgo both it and resilient con- when they take one of the two it's usually warcaster (for the mountain dwarf sorc, I'd certainly take warcaster + PAM for fun shenanigans).

>At higher levels, you're essentially a wizard that can get high AC + Con saves and can smack things with a sword once in a while.
Agreed. The divine sorc fortunately scales in this scenario quite nicely, with upcast spirit guardians and higher scaling on their booming blades. Also being able to quicken your big spells while still attacking normally is a great boost- the bladesinger stops attacking because they have much more important stuff to do, while the sorc can do both.

>and tenser's transformation.
Still a trap option, I'd never take this.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:20:03 No.77854258 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854191
warcaster and** resilient (CON)

Honestly, the twin sorc. seems like a better "gish" at this point because the build actually has the balls to not max out its spellcasting stat, while it's still mandatory for bladesingers.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:27:02 No.77854340 Report

Quoted By:

>>77853441
I'm the DM.
>>77853484
>gloomstalker with dual crossbows
I think this is what the player is going for.

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace mercedesbenz.png, 3MiB, 2000x1422

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:29:59 No.77854384 Report

Quoted By: >>77854440 >>77854479 >>77854481 >>77854591

Why are people so hateful towards dual crossbows? Like, I get they're as silly as big fucking swords but one crossbow per hand seems to always spark some autism nerve in people.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:31:34 No.77854402 Report

Quoted By: >>77854548

>>77854024
>Haste self
>+3 AC from enhanced defence + repulsion shield
>Resistant armor
>Mind Sharpener (to ensure Haste concentration isn't broken)
>Make 3 attacks each of which has a chance to apply debuff to enemy that gives them disadvantage against anyone but you
Ancestral Guardians, one of the best Barbarian subclasses, only allows you to apply this debuff to 1 enemy at a time. Said barbarian is also likely using Reckless Attack and has much lower AC and survives really just through their HP pool and rage.

If you dip a level, you can get another point of AC easy and from there you can get comfortably up to 26 AC, though obviously it's less than this before level 11.
Armorer used to get shield as well. Thank god it doesn't now.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:32:24 No.77854412 Report

Quoted By: >>77854682

>>77854251
>sorc it's much easier to accomplish.
For sure, I think the mobile feat might be the only way the bladesinger could do it. And the sorc. gets more out of it because they can actually BB twice.
>value out of SG otherwise
Makes sense, maximum value for the least resources. So you spell cast at a distance against single strong foes, then use concentration + melee to deal with mobs. It's a good build, that's pretty much what bladesinger tries to do in a way. Kill trash mobs without expending too many spell slots and get to do it in melee.
>offhand attacks or you can't cast shield and the like
Couldn't you drop the weapon as a free action, cast shield, then pick it up again? Cheesy as fuck and immersion breaking though. I think pretty much past level 7ish, shadowblade and attacking normally with your bonus action aren't really used anymore, though. Hence why they don't feel like a very... devoted gish? I guess.
>bladesinger stops attacking
Pretty much. It makes their 6th level feature quite a bit weaker, especially if it's only a 1d6 + 4 or something. It's a tiny bit of extra damage. Both are still quite squishy, though.
>tenser's transformation
Surprisingly OK with Elven accuracy + you have a magic weapon. 6d12 damage from 3 attacks and 50 HP ain't nothing to scoff at. The flavor of it is also really nice

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:33:32 No.77854422 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854239
Yeah Maverick looks like a mess.
I guess similar to martials only having Beastmaster2.0 and not-IronMan, the caster subclasses only have Potion Seller and Turret Guy.
So it makes sense that there should be a subclass to fill a more neutral caster role, while still being an Artificer with infusions and stacking magic items and whatnot. Maverick is just such a weird attempt at that though.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:34:55 No.77854440 Report

Quoted By: >>77854494

>>77854384
It takes two hands to aim a crossbow accurately.

"Hand crossbows" as a concept are just plain silly - little handheld crossbows can't have enough elastic strength to be worthwhile, and you can't accurately aim a fullsize crossbow with two hands.

Having a backup crossbow to use after you use your full size crossbow could make sense though.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:37:05 No.77854479 Report

Quoted By: >>77854512

>>77854384
It literally does not work which I think is the main thing. This is followed by it not working in 5e's rules as a crossbow has the ammo property meaning that even if they ignore loading with CBE, they do not ignore the need to physically place the ammo in the weapon (save for if they have the repeating armourer infusion)

I think the reluctance is borne of "It's officially supported with artificer and also is no better than a single weapon firing on a bonus action". But that's all. If a player wants to take up an otherwise free hand holding a second hand crossbow while being no worse or better than someone using one hand crossbow, why punish them further?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:37:16 No.77854481 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854384
Ranged combat is already cancerous
CBE combat is doubly so
CBE Sharpshooter crossbows is the least fun you can have in the entire game, you might as well not even put yourself on the map it matters so little at that point

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:38:00 No.77854494 Report

Quoted By: >>77854516

>>77854440
Surely there are good enough materials in a world of magic? Just price them appropriately.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:39:23 No.77854512 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854479
>save for if they have the repeating armorer infusion
Just artificer, my bad. There is nothing special about armorer other than it getting hypnotic pattern.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:39:31 No.77854516 Report

Quoted By: >>77854618

>>77854494
The problem is that would scale. A hand crossbow's existence implies the existence of crossbows that can shoot through entire cows, basically.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:41:12 No.77854548 Report

Quoted By: >>77854878

>>77854402
My point is the Big AC isn't really armourer specific. You beat out other artificers by 1 AC and fall behind them by 4 once they cast shield

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:43:53 No.77854591 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854384
Because I'm tired seeing cropped pregnancy art of the Diablo 3 Demon Hunter.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:44:14 No.77854596 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
does this count as light armor or unarmored?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:44:57 No.77854612 Report

Quoted By: >>77856623

>>77853099
>>77853225
>>77853154
Being upset about lizard boobs is a retarded SJW litmus test.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:45:16 No.77854618 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854516
The only reason there aren’t modern crossbows with that capability is because there’s no demand for it.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:45:57 No.77854629 Report

Quoted By: >>77854701

>>77850178
>sorcerer
sorry in order to join you have to at least pick a semi useful class

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:50:03 No.77854682 Report

Quoted By: >>77854865

>>77854191
Oh, that is a good start. Yeah, Bladesingers scale much better with ASI's so if you roll high things would change a lot. I'd miss being able to gish with quicken, however.

The sorc has many more racial options open to him, but I don't think I'd value 18 con that much. For example a half elf would go 16 dex, 16 con, 16 cha and warcaster + effective feat. A goblin (for rider damage) would go 16 dex, 16 con, 14 cha. A hobgoblin would go 15 dex, 16 con, 15 cha and grab moderately armored (+ dex) and grab whips this way, eventually going for spellsniper. A githyanki goes 16 str, 14 dex, 14 con and leaves cha behind to use greatswords with warcaster + GWM. Way too many builds for me to cherry pick one to go for here, but the racial features matter quite a bit (elven accuracy for the half-elf).

>>77854412
>Couldn't you drop the weapon as a free action, cast shield, then pick it up again?
Not as a reaction, so you're prone to have your weapon stolen as a free action.

>Surprisingly OK with Elven accuracy + you have a magic weapon. 6d12 damage from 3 attacks and 50 HP ain't nothing to scoff at. The flavor of it is also really nice
I just find being unable to cast other spells and requiring concentration a massive dealbreaker.

At the end of the day, the pure sorc build was viable at it's time. Now that tasha's really boosted the bladesinger, the two are much more comparable while the pure sorc is practically dead because of the twin nerf.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:51:36 No.77854701 Report

Quoted By: >>77854786

>>77854629
If you can't make a spellcaster of all things useful, that's a personal problem.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:57:10 No.77854786 Report

Quoted By: >>77854805 >>77854874 >>77854887

>>77854701
it's a literal garbage class, I get trannies with brainworms looove to scream about casters but in reality outside of late game wizard they're lackluster at best and an active detriment at worst
your fullcasters of choice are cleric and wizard, everything else is a joke with limited spell slots, limited spell lists and all manner of horrible restrictions
>b-buh multiclass
if you're multiclassing it means the base class was so godawful it wasn't worth sticking with

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:57:31 No.77854793 Report

Quoted By: >>77854801 >>77854937

What can you even do as a monk with armour
Seems so much of their class is tied to being unarmoured

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:58:22 No.77854801 Report

Quoted By: >>77854827

>>77854793
Not die

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:58:47 No.77854805 Report

Quoted By: >>77854887

>>77854786
They're fine, just pointless.They're full casters which makes them better than martials, they're just irrelevant next to wizards, that's all.

Good class, better than other good classes. Just completely outclassed by the best class.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 04:59:18 No.77854812 Report

Quoted By: >>77854956 >>77855033

>Hill Dwarf fighter with Tough and HAM
>Going Rune Knight and Picking up the resistance rune and the attack redirect rune
How do I make this even beefier

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:00:26 No.77854827 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854801
>Not die
Is 1-2 AC tops really going to save your ass that much?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:03:09 No.77854865 Report

Quoted By: >>77855003

>>77854682
Yeah, I actually only started playing DnD last month, just had my 4th session rather recently. I think if twinned spell still worked with BB, I'd 100% play it for my next character. My DM allows BB with SB, so maybe he'd allow twinned with BB. Yeah, bladesingers are extremely limited, elves only. I honestly shouldn't have gone even stats, because now I can't grab resilient (CON) or elven accuracy without getting odd stats, then having to spend a ridiculous amount of time evening them out again. And there are so many good feats like alert, mobile, etc that it's hard to choose.
>Not as a reaction, so you're prone to have your weapon stolen as a free action
Damn, that's messy. Honestly just using a rapier alone would be better then. I think bladesingers tend to lack something to do with their bonus action, especially before they get animate objects. The 3.5ish damage from an offhand attack is extremely low value.
>unable to cast other spells and requiring concentration a massive dealbreaker
Yeah, it's good for pure DPR as a 6th level spell slot for spellsingers on paper, but I think sacrificing your utility completely is kind of a mess. And the level of exhaustion after you cast it is a mess as well.

Imo, the pure sorc. actually still sounds really strong despite the twin nerf. Divine soul sorcs. double as healers too

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:03:38 No.77854874 Report

Quoted By: >>77854928 >>77854941

>>77854786
>everything else is a joke with limited spell slots
Even with 6-8 encounter days all casters are strong from level 3 onwards. That is 4 castings of sleep and two castings of web for the sorcerer, if you weren't keeping up, with more castings coming out of your sorcery points. Each of these spells amounts to an easy combat.

Level 5? Now we can cast hypnotic patterns, fireballs, slows. Level 7? I don't care how big of an ego your martial character has, a Giant ape is way better than him and I'm twinning this so you monkeys better do what I say.

I don't even know how you're getting these ideas, are you just wasting all your slots on trivial shit?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:03:46 No.77854878 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854548
And that's why the class as a whole is pretty stacked on AC. Just that Armorer does it a bit more and synergizes much better with it.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:04:29 No.77854887 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854786
>>77854805
Even though I always liked spellcasters I do find that it seems like the gay special snowflake players always pick them over martial classes, probably because they stand out.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:06:28 No.77854919 Report

Quoted By: >>77854945 >>77854967

How would one start to play a solo dnd game?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:06:45 No.77854928 Report

Quoted By: >>77854947 >>77855039

>>77854874
warlock is a full caster and has no spell slots bro

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:06:56 No.77854933 Report

Quoted By:

Problem isn't even that Sorcs are "bad" it's that they restricted literally any way to make them actually fun
>Shit spell list
>Few spells known
>Heavily limited metamagic that doesn't make up for the above so they just pulled a Ranger and gave it super strong new subclasses without fixing the old one

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:07:12 No.77854937 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854793
Specifically I'm playing a wisdom based swarmkeeper ranger and wanted to multiclass into astral self monk and flavour it as my swarm but martial arts requires you to not wear armor, dropping my ac by 3

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:07:16 No.77854939 Report

Quoted By: >>77855039

>>77850178
what subclass

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:07:18 No.77854941 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854874
>wasting all your slots on trivial shit
That would be warlocks.

t. wizard player in a game with a warlock.

We could literally replace that player with a turret that casts eldritch blast once a turn and repeats, "Is this a short rest?" on a 5 minute timer--nothing would change.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:07:49 No.77854945 Report

Quoted By: >>77854968 >>77854979

>>77854919
Buy one of the Baldur's Gate games. Also contrary to what nostalgiafags will say the 3rd one doesn't look bad but it's also in early access hell

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:07:51 No.77854947 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854928
1+dm or just dm

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:08:56 No.77854956 Report

Quoted By: >>77855033

>>77854812
Twilight Cleric 2 for 1d6+2 temp HP every round?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:09:29 No.77854967 Report

Quoted By: >>77854995

>>77854919
Have you tried asking the Solo RPG General?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:09:31 No.77854968 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854945
100+ hours in BG3 here
I like it
I also like the original 2
plenty of mods already out there for it
and they just added druids officially

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:10:23 No.77854979 Report

Quoted By: >>77855014

>>77854945
is it 5e, or some other made up system?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:11:23 No.77854995 Report

Quoted By: >>77855024

>>77854967
wheres that?

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:11:29 No.77854998 Report

Quoted By: >>77855102

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>77850178
I make an animal handling check to stroke him to orgasm!

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:11:55 No.77855003 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854865
>I think bladesingers tend to lack something to do with their bonus action, especially before they get animate objects.
Yeah, it is troubling. Since your DM is allowing Shadow blade, you have no need for flaming sphere, which eats up concentration anyway. Ah, one nice thing you can do on bladesingers if you want to focus much more on melee damage is to dip a level into fighter and go strength. Just ignore bladesong- with con saves and high AC that's plenty for defenses, and at level 7 you're doing your extra attack with GWM+PAM (if Vhuman) on top of booming blade damage. Great use for our bonus action too, and this actually stacks with Tenser's quite nicely.

>Imo, the pure sorc. actually still sounds really strong despite the twin nerf. Divine soul sorcs. double as healers too
Maybe I am reacting too harshly to the nerfs. I'll try them again sometime and see how that goes.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:13:09 No.77855014 Report

Quoted By: >>77855041

>>77854979
Mostly 5e but they modified it mostly for the better. For example the dogshit 5e Ranger is better in the game.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:13:58 No.77855024 Report

Quoted By: >>77855041

>>77854995
Literally just look up "solo" in the catalog and it'll come up. There's a bunch of solo oracle's that don't care about what system you're using

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:14:28 No.77855033 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854812
>>77854956
Also maybe Martial Adept for Parry. Could combine it with the fighting style and be a pseudo Battlemaster without sacrificing the Rune Knight features.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:14:58 No.77855039 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854928
>>77854939
Warlocks are martials, and not fullcasters. Change my mind.

Also, 6-8 encounter days are fine for warlocks if you allow 2 short rests. At level 5 for example, they'd have 6 castings of 3rd level spells- the wizard only has half that. This is 6 hypnotic patterns, or 6 fireballs for fiendlocks for example. And because you are (and I insist) technically a martial that does reliable at-will damage, you contribute as an archer would regardless throughout the whole day (or with weapons as a hexblade, who can outdamage a fighter with devil sight + GWM and all their pact shit).

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:15:04 No.77855041 Report

Quoted By:

>>77855014
>>77855024
Preciate it

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:19:10 No.77855102 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854998
you fail and accidentally crush his balls

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:24:01 No.77855149 Report

Quoted By: >>77855170

>>77851791
Draconian Sorcs (which that thing better be) are d8 equivalents thanks to their 1 hp/level

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:25:39 No.77855170 Report

Quoted By: >>77855190

>>77855149
Achstually since the first hit die is maxed, they'd have 7 hp without adding con at level 1 while a d8 class would have 8

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1613923021042.gif, 1MiB, 315x174

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:28:10 No.77855190 Report

Quoted By:

>>77855170
Near-equivalents, fine

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:31:38 No.77855227 Report

Quoted By:

>>77850178
TELL US YOUR FUCKING SUBCLASS

View Same Google iqdb SauceNAO Trace 1614618056952.jpg, 146KiB, 966x1632

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:34:11 No.77855246 Report

Quoted By: >>77855255

Rolled 14, 9, 1, 13, 5, 8 = 50 (6d20)

Rolling a stupid sexy human fighter

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:35:18 No.77855255 Report

Quoted By:

>>77855246
>9 Dex, 1 Con
This must be after that goblin slayer episode

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:36:33 No.77855270 Report

Quoted By: >>77855286

GOOD MORNING. FRESH BREAD.
>>77855259
>>77855259
>>77855259

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 05:37:50 No.77855286 Report

Quoted By:

>>77855270
It's 10:37 at night, you weirdo.

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 07:25:20 No.77856623 Report

Quoted By:

>>77854612
I don't give a shit about lizard tits, I just hate furries.

Subject

Name

E-mail

Password

Capcode	All Only User Posts Only Verified Posts Only Moderator Posts Only Manager Posts Only Admin Posts Only Developer Posts Only Founder Posts
Show Posts	All Only With Images Only Without Images Only Spoiler Images Only Non-Spoiler Images
Deleted Posts	All Only Deleted Posts Only Non-Deleted Posts
Ghost Posts	All Only Ghost Posts Only Non-Ghost Posts
Post Type	All Only Sticky Threads Only Opening Posts Only Reply Posts
Results	All Grouped By Threads
Order	Latest Posts First Oldest Posts First

This website uses cookies for some features and usage tracking.

On these archives

Your latest searches

/5eg/ Dungeons and Dragons Fifth Edition General:

This website uses cookies for some features and usage tracking. Show purposes Reject Cookies Accept Cookies

On these archives

Your latest searches

This website uses cookies for some features and usage tracking.